GUILTY CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *CW LWOP* #58

[Gardenista]

What lies did she tell LE? I thought the not being forthcoming issue was with deleted texts.

For one, she said something about not even knowing Shanann's name til recently when we know she googled her name in Sept 2017

 

[NuttMegg]

IIRC , their affair was outed to LE by emails exchanged through the work email system

looks like I have that backwards, unless you mean it was only emails and not cellphone texts? I thought i read that work texts were not recoverable. Ie they had personal and also work cell phones.

 

[ReckoningDay]

So what? A woman believed a man who made a convincing case that he was divorcing even to the extent of apt shopping and slept with him. Exchanged "kink" with him. Tried to find ways online to please him. Because for some insane reason this guy gets women who want to please him.
Throwing up in my mouth.

What does she deserve to suffer? She believed the lying .

What consequences does she deserve?

It may have looked that way to you at first ( I doubted her version from.the start FWIW) but if you read the discovery she wasn't as bamboozled by him as she pretended to be. She was not tricked into this. And she appears to want to profit from tragedy. that is despicable

 

[MassGuy]

I agree,,its truly baffling...i think he planned to kill them too and the fact that he called his coworker the night before does seem like he planned it that night but his other lack of planning is strange...he did tell Shanann he would go with her to aspen but the DA i think said he planned to take NK..Some say he planned to only kill SW but it sure doesnt sound like NK would ever want to raise “their” girls.. I just wonder how he really thought he could get away with this?? Seems like a better plan would have been for SW to accidentally “fall” while hiking in aspen.. but again, NK wouldnt want to be the new stepmom...he just didnt seem to think any of this through...

This all made sense to him, somehow.

We’ll never know his thought process, and he’s playing with a different deck of cards regardless.

The best we can do is go off of what the evidence tells us, but there are always gaps.

Big ones here.

 

[k-mac]

I think she was probably very embarrassed and didn’t realize her sex life would be such an important part of the investigation. CW did tell her his marriage was over, and when he was with her, he behaved like it was. You don’t normally get to spend time with a committed married man and father 4-5 times a week, or talk on the phone and text as often as they did. When she gave her interview to the newspaper last week, I can’t imagine she realized so much of her personal information was going to be released to the public contradicting what she said, she was trying to protect her reputation. If CW didn’t murder his family, who knows, she might have married him. I don’t think the police should have released all this. For example, I don’t think we needed to see the texts between NK and her friend. It was personal and private to her. They’ve destroyed her life. This is shaming.

it bothers me that NK told LE she was encouraging CW to work on his marriage and according to her he was telling her yes yes I am trying to......but its shanann she wants out!!

which wasn't true.
why would it be true.

this pair are madly in love with each other ,doesn't it make sense and sound normal in this circumstance exactly the opposite???
their google searches alone individually suggest the opposite also.
i am calling it.
those statements where BULLCRAP.

MOO

 

[Layla123]

Well any woman who sleeps with a married man must realize that he will cheat on her too. And even if they do end up getting married, they will both be suspicious of each other throughout their marriage because each knows they’re of low moral character. IMO.

I never went out with a guy who was attached to another, but I know many women who did. Some of them ended up marrying them and living happily ever after. There’s just too many of them for me to judge. I’ve always thought we are supposed pretend like we’re nice and respectful of one another and we teach our children to be, but when you grow up you discover it’s just not true. Lots of people cheat. That’s a fact of life. And Karma doesn’t always happen.

 

[NuttMegg]

OMG.

I tried to find a video to go with that "song" but no luck.

 

[2Hope4]

Has anyone come up with the reason why NK was searching SW on Google in September 2017? Is NK still classified here as a collateral victim of CW?

I think she was seeing him long before June. Maybe she was interested in hooking up with him long before that and is the one who came onto him. Maybe she had no concern for his marriage, his wife or his children. Maybe she even knows more about their deaths than LE knows. Maybe LE didn’t search her past enough. Maybe some of you believe this is all irrelevant now. I am very suspicious of her involvement now. Yes CW did the killing but what did she know and when did she really know it?

I do not see her as a victim anymore of anything.

ETA: The Denver Post quoted her as saying she and CW didn’t discuss a future but her google searches show she was searching wedding dresses, and he was searching jewelry and vacation spots. They were very much into the future.

One of the things that bothered me reading the discovery was that Chris wanted to protect NK. He didn't give her name. I can understand the initial lying about having an affair, but then when he finally admitted an affair, he still didn't say her name. When LE said they knew about the affair, and who it was, IIRC LE mentioned NK's name to him! Then even after that, he wanted her protected, her reputation protected. YET the woman he was MARRIED TO, he throw under a freight train. It's obvious the level of hate he had towards SW. I don't know if that hate was always there, if it was recent, or if it had been growing over the last year. It just struck me as even more betrayal. Of course having your spouse murder you has to be the worse betrayal there is.

 

[KALI]

Thank you Tricia. Of course NK did not kill anyone.
Maybe the anger is stemming from members who have had another, in their minds steal a loved one.
Personally, I do not think that anyone can steal a loved one from you.
This is a very complex subject.
However, in this case, Chris Watts went looking for "strange/replacement" after finding out his wife was pregnant again.
All of the lives that have been murdered and all of the lives that have been broken, are due to Chris Watts.
Nobody wanted his wife and little children murdered EXCEPT Chris Watts.
That is the hottom line to me.

Wow. I am going to have a hard explaining to people who read this thread that we don't bash victims. I'm not saying NK is a victim but the bashing here is relentless. You are not discussing the 2000 pages of case information that has all kinds of interesting tidbits. No, I am seeing posts about anal sex, group sex, how you want NK to have a terrible life, Oral things, threesomes, what an awful person NK really is and how she doesn't deserve to have a good life or good job. REALLY? Again, I am not saying NK is a victim. What I am saying NK did not kill Shanann and her children. I feel you are more angry with NK that with Chris. I'm not seeing the discussion about the awful things Cindy Watts said. What about his childhood? Can you make a connection to his mother's behavior, his obvious ignoring her but asking for dad, why wouldn't Cindy go to their wedding, what does that say about her and her relationship with Chris,

Remember we do not out Verified members. You may think you know who it is but you very well could be wrong. I could understand tearing apart her comments on the forum since they were so different than the reality we see but trying to out a verified member? It's not what we do.

There is no way we can remove all the post that contain name calling or wishing NK ill will. We can't. Why? There would be so little of the thread left not to mention the mod time something like this would take.

Recently I was talking with a well known true crime author and host of some true crime shows and he asked, "Websleuths is a cut above all the other crime forums. You have all the really smart members why do you think that is?

This thread does not represent "a cut above" anything.

We will continue to moderate best we can. I wish you all could get off the sex stuff and wishing her an awful life. NK did not kill anyone.
NO MATTER HOW YOU LOOK AT NK'S BEHAVIOR AND HOW AWFUL YOU THINK THAT BEHAVIOR IS
NK DID NOT KILL ANYONE

Tricia

 

[Dum-Dum Sucker]

CW GOING STRAIGHT TO THE OIL FIELD
Discovery page 756
ubm
(8/13/18)
"ATTS. BROWN said he heard MCNEAL talking to WATTS about WATTS going directly to the field first thing in the morning instead of coming to the office. BROWN said he thought that was very unusual because WATTS always came to the office first before going out into the field. BROWN said he could not ever remember a time when WATTS went straight to the field and didn’t come to the office first thing in the morning."

 

[opalonyx]

didn't the discovery pages say that none of the text messages on the work cell phones were recuperated? They could have used just the work phones for who knows how long

I saw that too. My guess is the use of company devices for personal use and possibly for sexting resulted in her termination.

 

[MassGuy]

One of the things that bothered me reading the discovery was that Chris wanted to protect NK. He didn't give her name. I can understand the initial lying about having an affair, but then when he finally admitted an affair, he still didn't say her name. When LE said they knew about the affair, and who it was, IIRC LE mentioned NK's name to him! Then even after that, he wanted her protected, her reputation protected. YET the woman he was MARRIED TO, he throw under a freight train. It's obvious the level of hate he had towards SW. I don't know if that hate was always there, if it was recent, or if it had been growing over the last year. It just struck me as even more betrayal. Of course having your spouse murder you has to be the worse betrayal there is.

I mentioned this before, but his intentions may not have been noble ones.

She had the power to hurt him, and hurt him in a devastating way.

The less that LE knew about her, the better for him.

It’s not only bad optics, but the fact that she held some pretty damning information as well.

 

[Tuliptiptoe]

This all made sense to him, somehow.

We’ll never know his thought process, and he’s playing with a different deck of cards regardless.

The best we can do is go off of what the evidence tells us, but there are always gaps.

Big ones here.

For one he has his personality disorder filling him with bravado.

He also didn't get to finish his plan because it was brilliantly interrupted.

Moo

 

[ReckoningDay]

I mentioned this before, but his intentions may not have been noble ones.

She had the power to hurt him, and hurt him in a devastating way.

The less that LE knew about her, the better for him.

It’s not only bad optics, but the fact that she held some pretty damning information as well.

Very good point!

 

[MassGuy]

For one he has his personality disorder filling him with bravado.

He also didn't get to finish his plan because it was brilliantly interrupted.

Moo

His “personality disorder” actually worked to his benefit in regards to his coverup attempt.

It betrayed him in other areas of course, but it allowed him to carry out his plan without emotion, and just go through the motions.

No tears, no panic, just dump the bodies and continue your day.

Most of us couldn’t do that. Fortunately.

 

[Layla123]

I mentioned this before, but his intentions may not have been noble ones.

She had the power to hurt him, and hurt him in a devastating way.

The less that LE knew about her, the better for him.

It’s not only bad optics, but the fact that she held some pretty damning information as well.

Wasn’t it due to the fact that NK told LE about the affair they were able to call CW’s bluff and get him to start telling the truth?

 

[Tuliptiptoe]

I mentioned this before, but his intentions may not have been noble ones.

She had the power to hurt him, and hurt him in a devastating way.

The less that LE knew about her, the better for him.

It’s not only bad optics, but the fact that she held some pretty damning information as well.

This makes the most sense as, at the end of the day, CW only loves CW.

Moo

 

[mickey2942]

For one, she said something about not even knowing Shanann's name til recently when we know she googled her name in Sept 2017

Have you ever been questioned by LEO? Men, in a room, asking you personal questions about your relationship with a family annihilator?

Pretty much, this woman wanted to minimize and distance herself as much as possible from this entire situation. I can't say I blame her much. As for trying to get some money out of this mess, she probably has a destroyed career in a fairly small field with specialized skills. She needs to be able to pay bills.

 

[Soccermom5]

it bothers me that NK told LE she was encouraging CW to work on his marriage and according to her he was telling her yes yes I am trying to......but its shanann she wants out!!

which wasn't true.
why would it be true.

this pair are madly in love with each other ,doesn't it make sense and sound normal in this circumstance exactly the opposite???
their google searches alone individually suggest the opposite also.
i am calling it.
those statements where BULLCRAP.

MOO

You can watch SW’s videos....we know the mistress saw them too...there was no question that SW wanted her marriage to work....she was willing to do anything to save her family. I think some of the videos SW made were totally to show their relationship to whoever her husband was messing around with...SW knew he was cheating and wanted the mistress to see the pregnancy test video and etc... she thought this would scare the woan away..but sadly it didnt...

 

[ReckoningDay]

You know something that occurred to me earlier today. Isn' t it interesting that both CW and NK both went to their dads for help out of the jam? Too bad they didn't go to them.for advice before they got in trouble ( arrested and fired respectively). They might have been 30 plus, but still needed good ol' Daddy to get their butts out of a sling.