GUILTY CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *CW LWOP* #59

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  • #841
But her life isn't over. She has a chance for a future.

My thoughts are, perhaps he lied initially but she learned the truth. She was over at Shanann's home when Shanann and the girls were in NC. She knew they were all living there.

If she had done what some women would have done, she would kicked him to the curb for lying to her immediately and contacted Shanann and given her a heads-up on what CW was doing. That would have been the fair thing to do.

Shanann only suspected. She didn't know. Big difference, JMO. She didn't have the knowledge she needed to make a decision that may have saved her life and the lives of her babies. She was in a state of confusion. The truth (having the affair exposed) would certainly have hurt, but I have a feeling that knowledge may have snapped Shanann into protective mode rather quickly.

Instead of giving Shanann a heads-up, my understanding is NK sent naked selfies of herself to CW when he was in NC. She was fueling the affair, trying to win the game.

I have zero sympathy for this woman. JMO, she is lucky she got out alive.

JMO
Yet in the meantime her life is ruined because people are judging and blaming her. She probably can't walk down the street without getting recognised and verbally abused. It's not her fault he killed them, but she's the one who has to suffer all that hate and spite. For what? Having an affair with a married man? Happens all the time.
 
  • #842
I think my greatest fear is if people succeed in destroying NK, LE is going to have a hard time getting witnesses to come forward in the future. NK is not responsible for these murders. She had a very sexy, romantic, exciting, sordid affair with a lying 🤬🤬🤬 married man. She loved every minute of it. He murdered his family, and all of a sudden the most embarrassing and personal details of her private life have been released to the public for all to judge, blame, mock, and condemn. I can understand why she would want to protect herself and try to keep a lid on it. Did it really help the investigation for the world to learn NK googled anal sex? I can see NK going into a huge depression and possibly killing herself.

It’s just my sneaky OPINION hunch, but I think LE didn’t care much for NK. Especially after she pulled a fast one, scrubbing her phone, etc. — and putting all her dirty laundry out there was their payback.

If she had come to them before lawyering up and scrubbing details, they may have left certain things private at their own discretion.

Just my opinion. Just like being belligerent to TSA staff can result in a strip search...
 
  • #843
Guys! Can we talk more about Candace, CW's biggest fan? I'm pretty sure anyone who writes like that needs to go to a loony bin. Page 1361

I’m pretty sure that several letters were actually sent from patients at Bellevue Psychiatric Hospital.

That, or people who really need to be there.

One lady is from Australia! We've got our fair share of wackadoodles too! :D
 
  • #844
Whenever this conversation comes up, it always turns into "let's look at all the things SW was doing to stress CW out".

Honestly, SW could have stood on her rooftop and flung Younginque, AMWAY, Mary Kay, and Herbal Life products into the wind while she talked to her people in one phone and her doctors on the other and it still wouldn't explain why CW murdered her, much less his babies, and dumped them like garbage.
I agree with you and my thoughts keep turning to CW’s mom because there was clearly animosity between she and Shannan. IMHO she may have been the catalyst that caused him to kill his family. She sounds like one who is never happy and held Shannan to such a high standard that despite the gift of 3 grandchildren, she was never going to be “good enough”. She seemed to find fault with everything and any woman who would knowingly give a child with a peanut allergy nuts is outright crazy and irresponsible. She strikes me as the type who would have questioned the legitimacy of Shannann’s Lupus diagnosis too. You know the kind who refuse to accept the fact that you’re ill when you look perfectly healthy...kwim? She is the epitome of a toxic mother in law. May they all Rest In Peace!
 
  • #845
NK's interview with the FBI is on pgs 330-333 of the document dump. She contacted LE on 8-14 and went in for an interview on 8-15 with her father.
 
  • #846
I do not think being gone 6 weeks is good for your marriage.
This is off topic, but my ex’s father used to travel to Asia for business several times a year, and the trips would last for two weeks, usually. Ex’s mother joked that those trips were the reason they were still happily married! (They adored each other.)
 
  • #847
I agree with you and my thoughts keep turning to CW’s mom because there was clearly animosity between she and Shannan. IMHO she may have been the catalyst that caused him to kill his family. She sounds like one who is never happy and held Shannan to such a high standard that despite the gift of 3 grandchildren, she was never going to be “good enough”. She seemed to find fault with everything and any woman who would knowingly give a child with a peanut allergy nuts is outright crazy and irresponsible. She strikes me as the type who would have questioned the legitimacy of Shannann’s Lupus diagnosis too. You know the kind who refuse to accept the fact that you’re ill when you look perfectly healthy...kwim? She is the epitome of a toxic mother in law. May they all Rest In Peace!
How does that work though? He was showing a different side before the nut incident.
 
  • #848
We do have her detailed phone bill beginning on August 14.
Yes, and it's on my list unless someone else uncovers the mystery. :)
 
  • #849
I think my greatest fear is if people succeed in destroying NK, LE is going to have a hard time getting witnesses to come forward in the future. NK is not responsible for these murders. She had a very sexy, romantic, exciting, sordid affair with a lying 🤬🤬🤬 married man. She loved every minute of it. He murdered his family, and all of a sudden the most embarrassing and personal details of her private life have been released to the public for all to judge, blame, mock, and condemn. I can understand why she would want to protect herself and try to keep a lid on it. Did it really help the investigation for the world to learn NK googled anal sex? I can see NK going into a huge depression and possibly killing herself.
Respectfully not feeling it, sorry. She repeatedly made poor/bordering on gray line criminal decisions.
 
  • #850
I don't know if anyone has commented about this but I thought it was strange that several years earlier when Chris did that presentation about relationships he talked about how having a child can sometimes fix a relationship. Then added he did not agree with that.
He told Shanann that he originally thought having another baby might fix things. Then seemed to change his mind about it.
I don't think he had ever had an original thought or idea in his head his entire life. Every single statement he made to LE and everyone else he knew was recited from something he learned by reading it or hearing other people say it. He really is a robot.
I noticed that during his first interview with the investigator he was asked several times to go over the "emotional conversation" he had with Shanann that night, and he just kept repeating everything they had texted about their relationship in the week before the murder. I always suspected they had not really had a conversation, now I know for sure they didn't. He never would have been able to make it up. He just didn't have an imagination. It amazes me that he fooled so many people all his life. Imo
He did keep repeating himself in every interview with media and LE. Over and over. "Bella is sweet and mothering, like me. Cece has two speeds...rampage or sleeping"
 
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  • #851
I agree with you and my thoughts keep turning to CW’s mom because there was clearly animosity between she and Shannan. IMHO she may have been the catalyst that caused him to kill his family. She sounds like one who is never happy and held Shannan to such a high standard that despite the gift of 3 grandchildren, she was never going to be “good enough”. She seemed to find fault with everything and any woman who would knowingly give a child with a peanut allergy nuts is outright crazy and irresponsible. She strikes me as the type who would have questioned the legitimacy of Shannann’s Lupus diagnosis too. You know the kind who refuse to accept the fact that you’re ill when you look perfectly healthy...kwim? She is the epitome of a toxic mother in law. May they all Rest In Peace!
Of course she and the sister did question her Lupus diagnosis. And the little girl's asthma diagnosis and the nut allergy.
 
  • #852
I think my greatest fear is if people succeed in destroying NK, LE is going to have a hard time getting witnesses to come forward in the future. NK is not responsible for these murders. She had a very sexy, romantic, exciting, sordid affair with a lying 🤬🤬🤬 married man. She loved every minute of it. He murdered his family, and all of a sudden the most embarrassing and personal details of her private life have been released to the public for all to judge, blame, mock, and condemn. I can understand why she would want to protect herself and try to keep a lid on it. Did it really help the investigation for the world to learn NK googled anal sex? I can see NK going into a huge depression and possibly killing herself.
Who is trying to destroy her? I've never blamed her for the murders; that's all on CW. I simply have a different impression of her than I did before the discovery was released. I agree that there was a lot of personal information that should have been redacted (phone numbers, copies of identification, email addresses, home addresses for many of the witnesses). That's not good. MOO
 
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  • #853
Yet in the meantime her life is ruined because people are judging and blaming her. She probably can't walk down the street without getting recognised and verbally abused. It's not her fault he killed them, but she's the one who has to suffer all that hate and spite. For what? Having an affair with a married man? Happens all the time.

Just because it happens all the time doesn't make it right. She just had the bad luck to get involved with a married murderer. I don't wish any harm on her. Actually I hope the media leaves her alone and people forget about her. However, I have no sympathy for her. I absolutely think CW lied to her and minipulated her. I also think she played her own games and wanted to win CW away from his pregnant wife, because I do believe she knew SW was pregnant and the marriage wasn't quite as over as CW said it was but she wanted him anyway.
 
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  • #854
This is off topic, but my ex’s father used to travel to Asia for business several times a year, and the trips would last for two weeks, usually. Ex’s mother joked that those trips were the reason they were still happily married! (They adored each other.)
My brother was a marine engineer and used to do 6 weeks at sea and 6 weeks at home. My SIL used to say that she loved having him home, but by the time the 6 weeks were up, they were both pleased that he was going again.
They have been married for almost fifty years.
 
  • #855
Thanks for putting all this together, I truly appreciate the time you’ve spent to do it, but I still can’t bring myself to view NK in black and white terms, I see so much gray area in there. I’ve been a witness before, and it’s hard. I didn’t remember everything all at once, either, or speak out everything that I remembered when it came to my mind along with a lot of other thoughts. So many things pop into your head all at once, you go off on tangents, it’s hard to do. NK did go back several times to tell them everything she could remember. I don’t think she intended to deceive them. When she walked in there she hated CW and never wanted to see him again. I don’t see why she would lie. For example, I think it’s possible to do both, have sex with a guy and tell him to work on his marriage. I think CW gave her so many mixed messages, I can see her being very confused and unsure about everything. She did tell her friend it was the best sex she ever had, and when that happens to you, that can really mess up your mind. And I’m not defending the adultery, but I have to admit that I have 3 brother in laws who are happily married to women they committed adultery with in their first marriages. I know it is a mess, and a drama for everyone around them, but years later, when it’s all said and done, they’re probably all a lot happier than they were in their first marriages. I can’t hate everyone who commits adultery.
I can understand how nervous and scared NK must have been the first time she was interviewed by the cops. I don’t believe she intended to mislead or lie to them. She had to have been horrified. She may have forgotten, or it maybe it all didn’t come to her mind at the time. She did go back and tell them more. As for her google searches, overnight, instantly, she did become like Amber Frye. That had to have been shocking to realize. She googled her train of thoughts as she was figuring the whole mess out. I do that all the time as thoughts come to my head. I love google. It doesn’t mean she’s going to write a book and make a lot of money. Everything CW told her was a lie, and from the looks of things it would mostly be a 🤬🤬🤬🤬 book. Would she do that? If she did I’d hate her, but I can’t condemn someone for her private thoughts that she never imagined the world would see. I don’t think all this should have been released. How does it serve the investigation? I guess it proves she wasn’t an accomplice, but she’s a victim of CW, too.
A WILLING victim? You are free to sympathize with NK. That isn’t a crime but let’s be clear that adultery in never okay. You cannot blur the lines.
 
  • #856
Completely agree with you about Shanann's mother.
Sandi is a total class act, just like her daughter was who took after her.

Wish I could say the same about the Watts family.
I was done posting on this case until I got a response the other day to a month old comment of mine on another site.
I think it was from Chris Watts' sister, and if so, she is still at it bashing Shanann.
Unbelievable.
I now believe the Watts' hate for Shanann is much stronger than their love ever was for Bella and CeCe.
JMO
CW’s mom is a narcissist and that daughter of hers is a chip off the block. They both indulged in bashing Shannan and share responsibility for this tragic mess. It’s called
Triangulation and they are very sick. I hope Shannann’s family sues them both as well.
 
  • #857
There is one polygraph test. But the test is "normed", and there are never just three questions, because people's level of anxiety is different, and their response when they are not lying might be accompanied by very different physical parametres. So a lot of "neutral" questions are asked to generate "the norm", intersperced with the questions that are more "tricky" and anxiety-provoking. In short, you need to know how a person answers when he tells the truth vs when he lies, and only then do they proceed with the crucial questions.
Ok. I didn't see any neutral questions. Just the three. I know she took a lot of time explaining the questions and explained what they meant. But as far as I know there were three questions and they were all in regard to Shanann. She explained that one can assume that wherever Shanann is it's reasonable that the girls would be with her. I guess I'm confused because I saw no neutral questions and all three were thoroughly explained to him and he was told they would only be about Shanann.
It was stated that he took a polygraph about his affair. That's what I had originally asked about. I have no idea where the other polygraphs are in the document.
 
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  • #858
Respectfully not feeling it, sorry. She repeatedly made poor/bordering on gray line criminal decisions.
If you are always truthful then it does not matter. If you involved in something that is wrong, then you take the risk of being exposed when LE comes knocking on your door. I was stunned at first at all of the information out there in the discovery, but it is all evidence and the public can get it one way or another. The letters people wrote to CW in jail.......they should realize there is no expectation of privacy when you write to a murderer or anyone incarcerated. And the people that lied and spoke out of both sides of their mouths? They deserve to be exposed. If you have nothing to hide, then there is nothing to worry about. IMO
 
  • #859
Who is trying to destroy her? I've never blamed her for the murders; that's all on CW. I simply have a different impression of her than I did before the discovery was released. MOO
A lot of people have said some pretty horrible things. When I put myself in her place, whew!
 
  • #860
Just weighing in on her decision to spend the summer in NC bc I’ve seen where some people think that’s weird.

We were a military family and so I’m used to living across the country from my family. When you do, it’s not really uncommon at all for SAHMs to spend an extended period of time with family. If you’re going to spend $$$$ on plane tickets for three, you want to get your money’s worth, right? You also tend to try to cram as much as possible into what time you have with extended family. Theoretically you should be able to trust that your spouse can be faithful for a couple months ‍♀️
 
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