GUILTY CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *CW LWOP* #59

[NuttMegg]

Yet in the meantime her life is ruined because people are judging and blaming her. She probably can't walk down the street without getting recognised and verbally abused. It's not her fault he killed them, but she's the one who has to suffer all that hate and spite. For what? Having an affair with a married man? Happens all the time.

iirc le told her how to change her name. She's a nice looking woman but pretty normal, no one will say, hey I saw you in PEOPLE mag, because those photos don't look like her in any other photos in the doc dump, twitter, etc. No one would think it's the same woman. She made a big mistake in choosing a married guy, with kids no less. She was interested way back in sept, 2017, per doc dump. Researching sw. She'll be just fine in the future.

 

[molly1255]

Yet in the meantime her life is ruined because people are judging and blaming her. She probably can't walk down the street without getting recognised and verbally abused. It's not her fault he killed them, but she's the one who has to suffer all that hate and spite. For what? Having an affair with a married man? Happens all the time.

NK was playing a wicked game and she got burned. JMO, having an affair with a married man, who has two children and whose wife is pregnant is a very wicked game. It might happen all the time, IDK. It is wicked to be so selfish to do that to innocent others who are definitely going to be damaged by the affair. Why would a decent person want to be a party to that?

She let him spend money on her that should have gone into his babies mouths. Money that Shanann had also earned. What's right about that? She boasted about being so financially secure, but she let him pay.

I don't see NK as a victim at all. If she hadn't stoked her affair with this lunatic, there may have been a different ending.

JMO

 

[Layla123]

Respectfully not feeling it, sorry. She repeatedly made poor/bordering on gray line criminal decisions.

Well, I’ve said what I have to say. I respect all of your opinions. Anything else I say will be repeat, and I don’t want to hijack the thread, or get us shut down.

 

[NanZDrew]

Yet in the meantime her life is ruined because people are judging and blaming her. She probably can't walk down the street without getting recognised and verbally abused. It's not her fault he killed them, but she's the one who has to suffer all that hate and spite. For what? Having an affair with a married man? Happens all the time.

When you don't respect boundaries...and marriage is a boundary...you open yourself up to that. Some people feel ok about dating when separated and that is their thing, but legally speaking, up to the date a divorce is finalized, there is a legal boundary. There has to be a line somewhere. If you choose to step over it, you get what you get. I don't feel sorry for NK at all. She had no respect or compassion for Shanann and her children even instructing CW pawn SW's wedding ring. That was SW's personal property. Like most mistresses, they have contempt for the wife as though the wife is evil person for having what the mistress wants.

To me, I see many similarities between NK and CW. Both lied to save face. Appearing honorable and good was important to both of them, yet they were not honorable. Both like to play the victim. NK always whined about how previous boyfriends treated her. Both have very little empathy for others and want what they want no matter the consequences. Neither honor boundaries. Those are nonexistent when it stands in the way of what they want.

I don't feel sorry for NK at all. She had a choice and she made a bad one. There are consequences. SW and those babies didn't have a choice and they paid with their lives.

 

[mom2chloe]

How does that work though? He was showing a different side before the nut incident.

It’s hard to please the wife and mother simultaneously and sadly he chose mom over the mother of his own children. His dad could have put a foot down too but didn’t. I don’t believe CW when he told his dad he couldn’t facetime the girls because it would tick her off either. He was lying out both sides of his mouth and likely berated his wife to his parents and sister every chance he got. Feeding them all the BS they needed to continue their grudge against a woman who they hated and couldn’t control. The fact that Shannann defended herself and the girls was more than their dysfunctional family could handle IMO

 

[Jupiter05]

iirc le told her how to change her name. She's a nice looking woman but pretty normal, no one will say, hey I saw you in PEOPLE mag, because those photos don't look like her in any other photos in the doc dump, twitter, etc. No one would think it's the same woman. She made a big mistake in choosing a married guy, with kids no less. She was interested way back in sept, 2017, per doc dump. Researching sw. She'll be just fine in the future.

And really, nothing stands out about her looks wise. She looks like a million other 30 year old females out there. I doubt I would recognize her if I ran into her. And she should learn her lesson and stay away from married men. Maybe she loves drama.

 

[LAHOLLA]

I do not think being gone 6 weeks is good for your marriage.

I feel like a healthy marriage should be able to handle a few weeks apart.

 

[MsBetsy]

But her life isn't over. She has a chance for a future.

My thoughts are, perhaps he lied initially but she learned the truth. She was over at Shanann's home when Shanann and the girls were in NC. She knew they were all living there.

If she had done what some women would have done, she would kicked him to the curb for lying to her immediately and contacted Shanann and given her a heads-up on what CW was doing. That would have been the fair thing to do.

Shanann only suspected. She didn't know. Big difference, JMO. She didn't have the knowledge she needed to make a decision that may have saved her life and the lives of her babies. She was in a state of confusion. The truth (having the affair exposed) would certainly have hurt, but I have a feeling that knowledge may have snapped Shanann into protective mode rather quickly.

Instead of giving Shanann a heads-up, my understanding is NK sent naked selfies of herself to CW when he was in NC. She was fueling the affair, trying to win the game.

I have zero sympathy for this woman. JMO, she is lucky she got out alive.

JMO

I don't think she really wanted him to work it out, she was just testing him to see what his reaction would be. But he was probably too dumb to get it. He thought at first telling her that he wanted the separation would sound good, then when she suggested he try to work it out he figured he had better tell her Shanann wanted the separation and was done. That's probably why he deleted his FB account when he did, and didn't want Shanann to take any pictures of him at the airport. He knew she posted everything on FB. Imo

 

[Allabouttrial]

Just because it happens all the time doesn't make it right. She just had the bad luck to get involved with a married murderer. I don't wish any harm on her. Actually I hope the media leaves her alone and people forget about her. However, I have no sympathy for her. I absolutely think CW lied to her and minipulated her. I also think she played her own games and wanted to win CW away from his pregnant wife, because I do believe she knew SW was pregnant and the marriage wasn't quite as over as CW said it was but she wanted him anyway.

I agree with all that. I have sympathy for the fact that she has been unwittingly thrust into the spotlight, and received so much hate along with wild speculations. People dissecting every little thing she has said, done or searched. I can't even being to imagine what that would feel like.

 

[opalonyx]

Did it really help the investigation for the world to learn NK googled anal sex?

I've contemplated this recently and came up with a couple reasons.

1) Her google searches and sexy photo history contradict her claim she wanted to take things slow, she barely knew him etc. As far as I can tell from the texts, photos, trips, gifts, financial discussions, living arrangement discussions, wedding dress searches, searches about "marrying your mistress" and the "I love you"s exchanged between them, it was full speed ahead and shows Nichol very likely put pressure on him and gave him an ultimatum despite her insistence she didn't. She likely didn't think he would kill his family but she helped fuel his motives nonetheless, albeit unintentionally.

2) NK searched anal sex guide before a date with CW. This specific act is worth noting since two other witness who claimed to have sex with CW claim he desired to partake in deviant sexual behavior. One witness said crudely "he wanted to put it in my butt". What are the odds that this witness would make this up if NK's search shows CW had an interest in that particular sex act? NK also mentions a point in their relationship where the sex was "less intimate". Is this a euphemism for violent sex? Could she have too been embarrassed to elaborate? The other two witnesses claimed he liked rough sex, including choking. NK's sexual history with him is relevant if it shows a pattern in CW's behavior IMO.

By the way, if he did engage in choking with his sex partners, I am not inclined to believe it was truly for sexual purposes. I wonder if he was "practicing" so to speak and building up his nerve to strangle his wife. Pretending it is for sexual purposes makes it easier for him to experiment.

Just IMO!

 

[Love Never Fails]

Shanann Watts Pleaded with Husband to Stop 'Living the Bachelor Life' Weeks Before He Killed Her
“lf you are done, don’t love me, don’t want to work this out, not happy anymore and only staying because of kids, I NEED you to tell me,” she wrote.

“l just don’t get it. You don’t fall out of love in 5 weeks.” Minutes later she typed out, “How can you sleep? Our marriage is crumbling in front of us and you can sleep.”

Rourke said in court that in the weeks prior to her death, Shanann — who was 15 weeks pregnant — focused on saving their crumbling relationship, giving Chris books on self-help and relationship counseling. But Chris had already mentally checked out of the marriage and ignored them, said Rourke, even throwing one of the books “in the garbage.”

Rourke said at Chris’ sentencing, “While Shanann texted the defendant over and over again in the days and weeks leading up to her death attempting to save her marriage, the defendant secreted pictures of his girlfriend into his phone and searched and texted her at all hours of the night.”

And while Shanann was caring for her daughters and working at her part-time sales job, Chris spent the time going to bars, restaurants, car museums and sand dunes with his mistress, Nichol Kessinger, as well as “searching the internet for secluded vacation spots to take his new love — and researching jewelry,” Rourke said.

Just reading this makes me cry. No sympathy for NK from my point of view. None. She knew he was married.

 

[NuttMegg]

I feel like a healthy marriage should be able to handle a few weeks apart.

you'd think she dumped the kids with a sitter and went to the French Riviera. Sheesh!

 

[Allabouttrial]

iirc le told her how to change her name. She's a nice looking woman but pretty normal, no one will say, hey I saw you in PEOPLE mag, because those photos don't look like her in any other photos in the doc dump, twitter, etc. No one would think it's the same woman. She made a big mistake in choosing a married guy, with kids no less. She was interested way back in sept, 2017, per doc dump. Researching sw. She'll be just fine in the future.

You really believe she will be fine? She has lost her job. What about future boyfriends? Just when the dust is settling along comes another documentary, then another. Oh and then countless books. Maybe a youtube vid. "What does Nichol Kessinger look like now?" "What happened to Nichol Kessigner?" etc.

 

[bonjoviblonde]

I said earlier in the thread, that I couldn't believe the pics I've seen of NK are the same person. Nothing against her looks at all, it's just that she looks so different in different photos.

Question....Are there actual texts of NK telling CW to save his marriage or is that just something she told LE that she told CW?

 

[Jupiter05]

IMO, regarding NK.......there are plenty of single men out there but she really fanned the flames of a married man with two little girls and a pregnant wife. If her "life is ruined", which I doubt it is, then she only has herself to blame for being complicit in an affair with a married man. This will eventually blow over if she lays low. Everyone will move on. Unless she decides to stay in the spotlight and go on TV, etc. It will be interesting to see what her next steps are.

 

[tmar]

Guys! Can we talk more about Candace, CW's biggest fan? I'm pretty sure anyone who writes like that needs to go to a loony bin. Page 1361

Certainly CW will reply.
Both on the same wavelength, can understand one another, and share their thoughts.

 

[Allabouttrial]

Just reading this makes me cry. No sympathy for NK from my point of view. None. She knew he was married.

He was the one who was married not her.

 

[LAHOLLA]

you'd think she dumped the kids with a sitter and went to the French Riviera. Sheesh!

Haha I know.

I get that it is foreign to some people. Until my mom entered a skilled care facility earlier this year, my parents hadn’t been apart more than a night in 40 years.

For me, extended time apart isn’t abnormal, though. Just different worlds, different perspectives.

 

[Jennifer17]

You really believe she will be fine? She has lost her job. What about future boyfriends? Just when the dust is settling along comes another documentary, then another. Oh and then countless books. Maybe a youtube vid. "What does Nichol Kessinger look like now?" "What happened to Nichol Kessigner?" etc.

She may well have lost her job, along with CW for having an affair as employees. They may have been meeting on company time.
Losing a job is not a big deal in the scheme of this crime.

 

[Jupiter05]

You really believe she will be fine? She has lost her job. What about future boyfriends? Just when the dust is settling along comes another documentary, then another. Oh and then countless books. Maybe a youtube vid. "What does Nichol Kessinger look like now?" "What happened to Nichol Kessigner?" etc.

She will be fine. People will move on. No one will be obsessed with her or care about her 2, 3, 5 years from now, I guarantee it.