GUILTY CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *CW LWOP* #62

[katydid23]

I don't think CW was trying to protect anyone, but himself, by taking the plea deal.

He didn't want to go to trial and be in a high profile circus, week after week, watching all of this discovery being broadcast in the daily news, and having to endure it as it played out in real time.

He is a lazy coward so he just threw in the towel. JMO

 

[Moonracer]

Ok, i wil figure out how to find it. I really like listening, reading through the blog I miss so much. My husband wants me to watch tv with him at some point haha!

On the Home page, scroll
down, the WS Radio is not far down. On the left main part of the page.

 

[esayer]

Something I keep thinking about, and I don’t have links for it. During the Scott Peterson days, I remember rather vividly a psychologist (or someone) talking about the words Peterson used, that they weren’t his own. Words like “took my breath away”. That because he was a sociopath and didn’t have feelings, he couldn’t express feelings. So he stole the words from movies to express them. Like “oh that’s what people say when they’re in love I’ll say that.”
CW was doing the same thing. He kept saying the same things over and over to NK. “Took my breath away”. “Electric”. These weren’t real words. They were stolen sentiments he heard other places. He doesn’t have his own feelings or emotions, he imitated what he saw.

Yes! Never thought of that but yes!

 

[Loveallmyhorsesdogsandcats]

Hi everyone, I just wanted to introduce myself. I’m a long-time lurker and finally made an account! I’m also a psychologist and will look into how to become verified, but for now I just wanted to say hello.

Look forward to your analysis!

 

[skyedaze]

I think you’re right, he pleaded guilty in order to protect someone.

Himself.

He said Shanann strangled the kids, but the autopsy reports were damning. They proved that the kids were smothered.

They had him dead to rights, but the death penalty was not a legitimate threat.

You’d think he would fight.

Those discovery documents paint a picture of an insecure man, one who cares deeply about what people think of him.

We saw that in the text message from Shanann’s friend on the day of their disappearances, when he asked “do you think I’m a bad person.”

His family was supposedly missing, and he was worried about appearances.

There are numerous examples of this.

I think he didn’t want his whole sordid life exposed, and his carefully crafted image destroyed.

A trial would do that.

Yes. A trial...for him a fate worse than death.

 

[MCDRAW]

Yes, but you can no longer say that NK did not contact LE, and many still do, and you can no longer say Anadarko contacted LE first because we don’t know, but many still do. Don’t understand why you are insulted. This isn’t personal.

So you don't think NK lied at all? I'm wondering because I'm over here thinking she is a predator. I believe Shanann knew her husband and knew he didn't have game. I think NK saw him, looked him up and decided she wanted him. And she went after him. See I don't see her as an innocent victim. In fact I don't think CW would have ever killed had he not met NK. She gave him courage. His family seems to be a very sick dysfunctional family and no doubt he got a lot from them. But they didn't give him courage. She did. And 4 people lost their lives because of it. Just because she didn't do anything illegal doesn't mean she was completely innocent either. If she had been, I believe she would have been at the police department with ALL the evidence, screaming she was innocent and she had an alibi and telling them where she was and who she was with. All just my opinion. I really wish I could believe in people like you seem to do with NK, apparently I am too cynical or have seen too many lies play out.

 

[Layla123]

Anadarko contacted LE at 8am the 15th. NK was there at noon, so.

I missed the noon revelation. I pored over that Discovery looking for it. What page? And sorry for the repeat. What time did she call in? Or did she just show up at the police station with her Dad?

 

[Loveallmyhorsesdogsandcats]

Ok, i wil figure out how to find it. I really like listening, reading through the blog I miss so much. My husband wants me to watch tv with him at some point haha!

It is at the top of each page in the black box

 

[mickey2942]

Watts gave mistress cards, love letters in weeks leading up to murders

Wow. Talk about CW living the fantasy life with NK. Sappy love letters? CW was obviously over being with SW, and all of the responsibilities that came with being a husband and father. He wanted just to have a good time, romance. CW, again, not a mental giant...

 

[MCDRAW]

I think you’re right, he pleaded guilty in order to protect someone.

Himself.

He said Shanann strangled the kids, but the autopsy reports were damning. They proved that the kids were smothered.

They had him dead to rights, but the death penalty was not a legitimate threat.

You’d think he would fight.

Those discovery documents paint a picture of an insecure man, one who cares deeply about what people think of him.

We saw that in the text message from Shanann’s friend on the day of their disappearances, when he asked “do you think I’m a bad person.”

His family was supposedly missing, and he was worried about appearances.

There are numerous examples of this.

I think he didn’t want his whole sordid life exposed, and his carefully crafted image destroyed.

A trial would do that.

Yes, but he also wanted NK protected at all cost. I was amazed that he said, please don't bring her into this, she has been through so much. Really??? Shanann had a auto-immune disease, a divorce, a bankruptcy, two births, and in the middle of a third pregnancy and he didn't mind killing her and throwing her under the bus by letting everyone think she had killed her children.

 

[kiwilaura]

I think you’re right, he pleaded guilty in order to protect someone.

Himself.

He said Shanann strangled the kids, but the autopsy reports were damning. They proved that the kids were smothered.

They had him dead to rights, but the death penalty was not a legitimate threat.

You’d think he would fight.

Those discovery documents paint a picture of an insecure man, one who cares deeply about what people think of him.

We saw that in the text message from Shanann’s friend on the day of their disappearances, when he asked “do you think I’m a bad person.”

His family was supposedly missing, and he was worried about appearances.

There are numerous examples of this.

I think he didn’t want his whole sordid life exposed, and his carefully crafted image destroyed.

A trial would do that.

And as it turns out, so will the release of discovery!

You're probably right. Just so unusual to plea that fast.

 

[Herat]

I wonder about Chris' rush to plea out.

We all expected something really, really damning in the autopsy reports that would point directly at him. It wasn't there.
Then we expected something in the discovery. Really all we got was that he had arranged to be at Cervi 319 alone, the night before.

Whilst we didn't know the nitty gritties, it feels like there wasn't an awful lot of new information following release of the discovery docs.

TBH I am now really wondering about his plea. It was said so that death could be taken off the table but, in reality, death hadn't been even put on the table. Why not wait until someone says "we are seeking the death penalty"? He could have continued to stick to his story. Let's face it, there are people out there that believe it.

IMHO opinion, after the discussions over the last few days (including comments I have read elsewhere but make some sense to me), I am wondering if he plead out to protect someone? To stop the investigation. To stop LE continuing to dig deeper. And I am not talking about innocent victim Shanann either.

Stories here just don't seem to stack up to me.

THIS is what I keep coming back to

CW seemed determined to protect NK.

Even "sacrificing" himself. Sending that photo of the flower after he had dumped the bodies.....

This keeps haunting me. And I have a bad feeling about it

 

[MassGuy]

Something I keep thinking about, and I don’t have links for it. During the Scott Peterson days, I remember rather vividly a psychologist (or someone) talking about the words Peterson used, that they weren’t his own. Words like “took my breath away”. That because he was a sociopath and didn’t have feelings, he couldn’t express feelings. So he stole the words from movies to express them. Like “oh that’s what people say when they’re in love I’ll say that.”
CW was doing the same thing. He kept saying the same things over and over to NK. “Took my breath away”. “Electric”. These weren’t real words. They were stolen sentiments he heard other places. He doesn’t have his own feelings or emotions, he imitated what he saw.

He did the same thing in his now infamous porch interviews.

He used stock words, ones said numerous times by the families of missing people:

“Surreal” and “nightmare.”

The difference here, is that they were said without any feeling, without any discernible emotion.

He was playing a role, trying to sell a story.

He was acting.

Badly.

 

[MassGuy]

And as it turns out, so will the release of discovery!

You're probably right. Just so unusual to plea that fast.

I don’t think we will ever have a case like this, again on here.

This type of thing just doesn’t happen.

 

[Love Never Fails]

I don't think CW was trying to protect anyone, but himself, by taking the plea deal.

He didn't want to go to trial and be in a high profile circus, week after week, watching all of this discovery being broadcast in the daily news, and having to endure it as it played out in real time.

He is a lazy coward so he just threw in the towel. JMO

BUT...everyone compares him to Scott Peterson. SP pled not guilty and went to trial and still says he is not guilty. CW could have done the same thing. I think he wants to protect someone too. But it just doesn’t make sense. He was the only one with Shanaan and the girls.

 

[skyedaze]

THIS is what I keep coming back to

CW seemed determined to protect NK.
Even "sacrificing" himself. Sending that photo of the flower after he had dumped the bodies.....

This keeps haunting me. And I have a bad feeling about it

WHOA what flower photo? I missed that. Gosh decorate for Xmas and I miss all kinds of stuff. Please don't say the flower is from that well site.... :/

 

[AbbyG]

I wonder about Chris' rush to plea out.

We all expected something really, really damning in the autopsy reports that would point directly at him. It wasn't there.
Then we expected something in the discovery. Really all we got was that he had arranged to be at Cervi 319 alone, the night before.

TBH I am now really wondering about his plea. It was said so that death could be taken off the table but, in reality, death hadn't been even put on the table. Why not wait until someone says "we are seeking the death penalty"? He could have continued to stick to his story. Let's face it, there are people out there that believe it.

IMHO opinion, after the discussions over the last few days (including comments I have read elsewhere but make some sense to me), I am wondering if he plead out to protect someone? To stop the investigation. To stop LE continuing to dig deeper. And I am not talking about innocent victim Shanann either.

Stories here just don't seem to stack up to me.

Wow this is what makes horse races, I guess. I think there is a nice mountain of evidence against him. How much more could you possibly need? Evidence of planning ahead -- not just calling his co-worker to make sure he would be alone at Cervi 319, but calling his children's school; calling the realtor; running like a madman into the house not to look of this wife and children but to be ahead of the cops after his vague and changing stories about where they went; referring to them in past tense; the washing of the sheets and smell of cleaning fluid.The autopsy report was QUITE damning given he said he strangled Shan'ann because she strangled the children, and it turned out they were smothered. So so so many pieces of evidence, is there a list somewhere? All point to one person, the only person home with them, the only person to leave that house alive that day. No one else came or went. Why are you so desperate to find him less than 100% guilty? I am genuinely curious and confused. I think it's one of the most clearcut cases I have ever seen, short of his actually being caught in the act of murder. He didn't want a trial because he can barely stand knowing what people think of him now. He couldn't deal with his coworkers learning he had dumped his children and wife in oil and dirt. That was worse than the fact that they were dead in his mind - being scene as the monstrous murderer he is. A fate worse than death for sure. He's a sick ticket, is that anything less than apparent?

 

[Seattle1]

I wonder about Chris' rush to plea out.

We all expected something really, really damning in the autopsy reports that would point directly at him. It wasn't there.
Then we expected something in the discovery. Really all we got was that he had arranged to be at Cervi 319 alone, the night before.

Whilst we didn't know the nitty gritties, it feels like there wasn't an awful lot of new information following release of the discovery docs.

TBH I am now really wondering about his plea. It was said so that death could be taken off the table but, in reality, death hadn't been even put on the table. Why not wait until someone says "we are seeking the death penalty"? He could have continued to stick to his story. Let's face it, there are people out there that believe it.

IMHO opinion, after the discussions over the last few days (including comments I have read elsewhere but make some sense to me), I am wondering if he plead out to protect someone? To stop the investigation. To stop LE continuing to dig deeper. And I am not talking about innocent victim Shanann either.

Stories here just don't seem to stack up to me.

Death is not the worse that could happen to CW. Its' being unmasked in front of the world! Narcs/sociopaths cannot bear witness to the unraveling of their lies and manipulation. In fact, the only time CW showed any emotion during his confession was when it was suggested to him that his co-workers could lead LE to CERVI 319. CW could not face Anadarko employees seeing what he had done. MOO

 

[AgeofAquaruis]

And as it turns out, so will the release of discovery!

You're probably right. Just so unusual to plea that fast.

I think he realized how much they had on him,and it's a death penalty state.

 

[AbbyG]

WHOA what flower photo? I missed that. Gosh decorate for Xmas and I miss all kinds of stuff. Please don't say the flower is from that well site.... :/

It was determined to be from the next site. He was absolutely intoxicated by NK. He killed for her. He wanted her more than he ever wanted anything in his life -- er, except when he wanted Shan'ann and wouldn't stop until he had her. He's a sick man. Make that "man."