GUILTY CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *CW LWOP* #63

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  • #221
Just finished the Websleuth's radio episode from last night and really enjoyed hearing the intelligent and thoughtful commentary from @Tricia @Levi @gitana1 @liltexans and @Colorado303
Tricia said that would probably be the last one on the Watts case, but I hope they do at least one more episode on that case.
 
  • #222
This used to make me angry. Now I'm just downright scared that there are all of these women out there who clearly need professional help. :eek: (And I sincerely hope they get it!)

SEE IT: Chris Watts gets ‘fan’ mail, photos, love letters in jail after murdering his pregnant wife and two daughters
Multiple letters are from women who appear to be admirers of Watts, with one woman saying that she has become attracted to him and that she doesn’t believe the media’s portrayal of the family murders.

Another letter is from a supporter who says her church is “praying” for Watts, and that she believes the Thrive patch — a weight loss/nutrition product that Shanann Watts sold as a multi-level marketer — could be to blame for what happened.

And Watts also received multiple Facebook photos from a woman in Ohio who wrote him a letter that reads a bit like a personal ad. She promised Watts that she didn’t want to talk about his case and that she would never lie to him.
SMH.
 
  • #223
@liltexans - Is it within reason to ask posters not to link to Jay is 4 Justice and other non-msm youTube videos? Perhaps posters could tell folks what to search for at youTube or other places? It doesn't seem right to drive views and potential subscribers to certain youTube channels.

Please delete this request as seems fitting.
 
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  • #224
Did you save links? Did you ever find anything on CW?
Yes. She had a Google and Facebook account. She almost certainly had more, but that’s what I’ve turned up.

We know from discovery that he had a Snapchat, Twitter and Facebook.

His Facebook is gone, his Twitter is protected, and I don’t use Snapchat.
 
  • #225
I may very well have missed some things, but I'm not seeing her slamming Shanann so much? In the interview she seemed to be just telling police what Chris had told her about the marriage. The only thing that jumps out to me was her emphasizing that they were living well above their means, which I think some people take as an attack on Shanann, but I think it's a fair assessment of their finances.

My biggest concern is that she is not scared for herself in that interview. She does not understand that her BF, her romantic interest, turned a murderer. For Pete's sake, murdered once, can murder again, easier. They say the first one is the easiest one. She might as well be the next one, had they not detained him.

I don't quite understand this lack of empathy towards the victims, but OK, maybe the shock, and the fact that she did not have own kids and never saw his...and after all, people express themselves in a different way, maybe these squeaking sounds are grief for the kids...but what about fear for herself, and feeling relieved that he was behind bars?
 
  • #226
I may very well have missed some things, but I'm not seeing her slamming Shanann so much? In the interview she seemed to be just telling police what Chris had told her about the marriage. The only thing that jumps out to me was her emphasizing that they were living well above their means, which I think some people take as an attack on Shanann, but I think it's a fair assessment of their finances.

My biggest concern is that she is not scared for herself in that interview. She does not understand that her BF, her romantic interest, turned a murderer. For Pete's sake, murdered once, can murder again, easier. They say the first one is the easiest one. She might as well be the next one, had they not detained him.

I don't quite understand this lack of empathy towards the victims, but OK, maybe the shock, and the fact that she did not have own kids and never saw his...and after all, people express themselves in a different way, maybe these squeaking sounds are grief for the kids...but what about fear for herself, and feeling relieved that he was behind bars?
 
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Wow. That is the first time I have seen a look of sheer panic on CW's face. His body language was strange-- putting his hands on his head like he was in a hostage situation and touching his chest for a moment like he was clutching his heart. I think these are tells that he suddenly realized his neighbor's camera would have captured anything if Shanann and the girls left any other way but in his truck. He knew the back doors and windows were all secured in such a way they could not have gone out the back. He knows he is caught right here at that moment. Why/how he ever was able to regroup and continue to lie to the press, to family, to friends and most of all to the FBI and police is still so utterly mind-boggling that I can't stop following this case. Most would have thrown in the towel and owned up to what happened or at least lawyer-ed up and stopped talking at this point. What is wrong with CW? o_O

MOO.
He about messed his pants when the dogs were searching the house too.
 
  • #229
There was a link posted to one of the FB groups explaining the science behind what it feels like to die from strangulation. I wish I had not clicked on it. I cannot imagine the sheer horror and agonizing pain she felt in those 2-4 minutes. :(

Rest In Peace beautiful Shannan, Bella, Celeste and Nico. Heaven holds you now.
 
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When I first posted here at WS I stated that I believed the murders were very premeditated. I had to explain what I meant by "very". I meant; that the premeditation was detailed and over a period of time ( days or weeks, not hours). I still believe that it was very premeditated, based on all of the information and evidence that has come out. We now know that CW was under pressure from Shanann to save their relationship. She was a fighter, she loved him, and thought the marriage worth saving. We also know he was under pressure, if not directly by NK, then because of her. Finally we know that time was not his friend, at least in his mind. He had to know that at any time there could be an ultimatum from either Shanann and/or NK. He knew Bella was starting school. He had to know that there would be a small window of opportunity, after the NC trip and before school starting, DR. appointments, gender reveals, etc.

I believe he began planning in his mind; when, where, how, and what do to with the bodies. In his (initial) plan Shanann leaves with the girls, to punish him. No explanation, no trace. I believe this planning started before the NC trip and by the time the trip took place Shanann and the girls had become non-entities to him, just something to be removed, and he became cold and detached. I also believe the "posed doll photo" was part of this plan, but I'm not sure of it's purpose. A warning? A fore-shadowing? I wonder if he meant to send it to himself, making it appear it was sent by SW as a threat to him, but messed up and sent it to SW instead. That would fit with his incompetence.

I believe the night of Shanann's return from Arizona was the time planned for the murders; she came home, they talked, they slept, and after he went to work, she left with the girls. In his mind; perfect. Until, instead of arriving home before 11:00 P.M., Shanann didn't arrive home until almost 2:00 A.M. and he was robbed of three hours and his plan was altered! I continue to believe CW murdered the girls first, after the call to Grandpa, because he didn't want to just murder Shanann, he wanted to punish her. He wanted the girls dead when she came home. The "posed doll" was therefore, fore-shadowing. We now know there were no defensive wounds on Shanann, no bruising, not a mark. Nothing. Also, no marks on CW. Even if he had pinned her on the bed, including her arms, she would have thrashed around, struggling, causing some bruising, biting her tongue or lip, something! Just like Bella did. But there were no marks, nothing. She was sick, physically and emotionally, and probably very tired. I believe CW showed her what he had done, probably said some horrible things, and she collapsed and gave up. Lost all reason to fight. And then he easily murdered her. He then probably spent some time ordering in his mind what needed to be done. He no doubt did some cleaning (the smell of cleaning, later). Maybe took a short nap. And then loaded the truck.

Bella was anxious for her Mother to come home and she kept getting up. The girls were supposedly light sleepers. If Bella was alive when Shanann came home, she would've gotten up and rushed to greet her Mom. That didn't happen. I also don't believe Shanann would have gone to bed without checking on the girls. CW would have known that and used it.

In his mind, the plan probably still seemed intact, just delayed. Everything could continue, as planned. Except, NUA changed everything. God bless her.

What I've read in the discovery and heard from his interviews confirms, for me, that the murders were premeditated well in advance and the girls were murdered first. And it breaks my heart over and over.

I agree, I think the girls were murdered first too . . . if he hadn't already killed them and then found out Shan'ann's flight was delayed, wouldn't he just have waited to enact his plan another time? After all, the amount of time he needed to cover his tracks was very important and since the school was already expecting the girls, there would be no difference between that weekend and another.
 
  • #232
Yes. She had a Google and Facebook account. She almost certainly had more, but that’s what I’ve turned up.

We know from discovery that he had a Snapchat, Twitter and Facebook.

His Facebook is gone, his Twitter is protected, and I don’t use Snapchat.
So, nothing we can see. Darn It! Well, maybe some of it will come out in Discovery.
 
  • #233
Biting his lip and not able to stand still once he puts his hands on his head and watches the video. If you turn the sound down/off all you see is guilty, guilty, guilty written all over his face and body language. He disgusts me.

The neighbor was onto him immediately. Smart man. So happy he had security cameras.
 
  • #234
Did anyone else hear him say something a flathead screwdriver jimming a lock in the neighbor security cam video? Was he trying to say someone broke in?
 
  • #235
I doubt it. I’ve never liked that scenario because it would complicate things for him.

This wasn’t some sadistic act of revenge, it was a purposeful act designed to achieve a goal:

A new life.

I think he attacked her when she was either getting ready for bed, or in bed.

She was the biggest threat to the successful execution of his plan. Therefore, I think he killed her first.

Likewise, I have maintained the theory he killed her first. According to NK interview, CW was on the phone with her between 9 pm-11 pm 8/12. NK mentioned wondering why he was up so late.. Was he waiting for SW (yes.. Yes he was). SW called him, and he did not answer. SW then texted him to inform him about the flight delay. Once she was already taken off, he responded (about the time he got off the phone with NK) saying that he was passed out and didn't hear her call. The girls were on a FT call with Frank that evening.. And he grilled chicken. Plus Bella kept waking up according to him. Not really much time to be smothering his daughters. SW not having seen or talked to her daughters all weekend would no doubt have gone in their room to kiss them. If they were gone, there would have been screaming and a fight. She removed her pants and crawled into bed not waking CW as she stated that he would be sleeping to a friend. At that point, he straddled and strangled her and moved onto the girls. MOO, IMO
 
  • #236
Who decided these were simply "prairie flowers" ?...they look like they're from the exact location where Shannan was dumped, not random at all.

I honestly have been side eyeing NK lately more than just as an AP. What they were able to get of her SM is highly suspect to me and makes me think what is deleted is hella damning.

And this dude has an extensive history of conversations that last less than 10 mins but the night of the murders he talks to her for 51 mins???
Woaaaaaaaa.
 
  • #237
Did anyone else hear him say something a flathead screwdriver jimming a lock in the neighbor security cam video? Was he trying to say someone broke in?
I believe he was talking about something that had happened prior and him having to review the neighbors tapes with him for that reason.
 
  • #238
She reminds me Soooo much of Casey A., it's pathetic. She knew more than she's letting on, for sure!!!

What was Casey Anthony diagnosed with again? Whatever it is it reminds me of NK! They could be sisters. (not looks) but vocal speech patterns.
 
  • #239
There was a link posted to one of the FB groups explaining the science behind what it feels like to die from strangulation. I wish I had not clicked on it. I cannot imagine the sheer horror and agonizing pain she felt in those 2-4 minutes. :(

Rest In Peace beautiful Shannan, Bella, Celeste and Nico. Heaven holds you now.
In strangulation, loss of consciousness happens long before death.

She would have likely been out within approximately 10 seconds.

Unfortunately in the kid’s case, suffocation takes longer. They suffered more than their mom.
 
  • #240
The doll photo with the face covered is like looking at a window in his mind about how he was going to murder his children and dispose of their bodies

It is a disturbing Freudian slip or subconscious foreshadowing unless it was a threat that SW would understand. Did he ever threaten to kill the kids if she didn't do what he wanted?
 
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