GUILTY CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *CW LWOP* #63

[Tortoise]

Did I dream it or did we get a time when the Watt household system starting showing movement in the house. I would like to compare it with the known times of the truck backing in. I wonder how tight the timeline was. Getting the bodies in the truck after the act, cleaning up in the house causing the cleaning product odor LE noted,laundry etc. etc.

The chemical smells were noted on the Tuesday when the dog handlers showed up. He was cleaning Monday through the night/early hours.

 

[Tortoise]

Ok, so he backed in around 4:50am

He drove away at 5:45am

Doing the maths I think that's 27 minutes. So I don't know where the error is in their times.

 

[WildWest]

Re: NK’s interview and her tone in discussing Shannan.

I think demonizing the Wife in an affair is probably pretty common for the AP.

The cheater goes on and on about how horrible the wife is to him, a littany of her “abuse”.

Then it takes the onus off of the AP because she isn’t the deceiptful abusive person, it’s the Evil Wife. And NK gets to be consoler, the support.

She’s openly displaying her inner guilt over this affair.

Compartmentalized thinking. Can't justify what they are doing but it feels so good they don't want to stop so they invent another box to blame and villianize the wife to rationalize.

 

[NuttMegg]

You still have to pay child support to the custodial patent. Most (not all) mothers get primary custody. I’m pretty sure CW would not have wanted primary custody. And imo SW was not netting near as much as what has been said. As a self employed person; there is a huge difference beteeen net and gross income. Most self employed pay 30 percent to the IRS. And with a third baby on the way her income would have gone down.

I've been self employed my entire adult life, there is no tax bracket which deems that a self employed person must pay any certain amount of tax, re your 30%. One of the main problems of being self employed, before ocare is that most self employed ppl had no groups to share health care costs with, so they paid higher prices as independents. And self employed ppl have to pay the % of FICA that employed ppl get paid by their employer. SW could probably write off a lot of her products for business use. Probably could write off the expenses if she had a home office, and probably phone expenses. There is no way I can see to estimate how much of SW's income was net or gross income, we just haven't seen her tax returns, nor should we.

 

[Bravo]

4:23am was when movement was recorded on the main floor. My guess is he was hiding out in the basement all night, came out of the basement at 4:23 and crept up the stairs to start his killing spree. He turned the ignition key in the truck on at 5:18.

MOO

Thank You

 

[gitana1]

OMG i thought the same thing while listening to her.

What's crazy is how many of us know Anthony's voice that well!

 

[Delevanjo]

The neighbor was spot on with the rocking, etc!

Also, I was creeped out by how CW looks at his own hands.

 

[Bravo]

The chemical smells were noted on the Tuesday when the dog handlers showed up. He was cleaning Monday through the night/early hours.

I'm starting to get things confused. So much jumping back and forth with how info was released.

 

[gitana1]

4:23am was when movement was recorded on the main floor. My guess is he was hiding out in the basement all night, came out of the basement at 4:23 and crept up the stairs to start his killing spree. He turned the ignition key in the truck on at 5:18.

MOO

Until now I never knew an "emotional conversation" consisted of someone's hand around another person's throat.

 

[scdiv]

On the body camera it showed the police following him into his bedroom. He went straight immediately running to the left side of the bed and to the bedside table. Then he went to the right side but the policeman was on his tail the entire time. I couldn't blow up the right side, but there was nothing on the left side as far as any rings or any Apple watch that I saw. I could not see the right side but perhaps others on a computer and a bigger screen can.

Page 468 -
"I located an Apple Watch on the nightstand of the master bedroom that was later determined to belong to CHRIS WATTS. I also located an Apple Macbook Pro on the desk in the office. WATTS was again contacted by phone, and he gave consent to seie any electronic devices located in the residence. These were collected as evidence. An Apple Watch determined to belong to SHANANN WATTS was located on a couch in the upstairs loft area, underneath the throw pillows. This watch was collected as evidence. An Apple iPad was found in a backpack underneath the desk in the office, which was also collected as evidence. An Amaon Echo smart home device was located on the kitchen counter, and was collected as evidence."

Page 1174, Question & Answers where CW claims he hasn't found her watch:

CW: She has a w- a watch as well, but I’ve not found that either.

Q: She has a like a...

CW: Apple Watch.

Q: Apple Watch? Okay.

CW: I’ve not...

Q: Do you know where that is?

CW: I have not found it.

Q: Okay.

CW: It’s not on the charger.

Q: And it’s not at your house that you can tell? Okay. Um, do you think the password for the iPad’s the same?

 

[Tortoise]

Until now I never knew an "emotional conversation" consisted of someone's hand around another person's throat.

Now that part was messed up by the flight delay. If she had arrived home at 11pm and gone to sleep, 4/4:30am wouldn't have been quite as ridiculous sounding as waking her up to talk after 2 hours sleep did.

 

[Bravo]

Every time I heard the "emotional conversation" phrase it reminded me of "conscious uncoupling" Good Lord!

 

[esayer]

Her mother asked her to stay in NC! If only she’d listened. Shan’ann was so much better than CW was! She deserved so much better. Why do women stay in relationships with men who treat them badly?

Cause we love em and we are taught love will conquer all and love is the most important thing and if I love him enough he will change and I am a loyal person who doesn't run, and I am used to it from other men in my life etc etc etc etc etc

 

[Jupiter05]

Just read one of the ex-MRS got all of the Weld County files and will be uploading it to their youtube channel

I bet they will pick and choose which audio/video files to upload. I am hoping a news station will upload them all for us to see and listen to.

 

[gitana1]

and yet they are from different regions so it's not a regional accent it's probably from watching reality tv shows and mimicking their vocal fry.

I don't know. The main thing is their actual vocal chords sounds the same to me. Same tone and sound.

But also, they both pronounce a certain kind of word the same and I think it might come from a certain region in the Midwest. Who knows where she was originally from or her parents?

It's certain words with an "str" sound I think directly after a vowel? Instead of pronouncing that "sssss-tuh-ree (or ray) they pronounce it "shhhh-tr-ree" (or ray 0r ruh).

I am not explaining it right. It's not important but language is interesting to me. We do have an expert on here I think with language?

 

[Charlot123]

I agree with everything you have said, I believe he’s more depraved than people think. He murdered the girls before SW got home, that’s why when she asked for a picture of the girls he sent her one from earlier in the day. And knowing now that it was he who sent the picture of the doll to SW, makes him even more depraved IMO.
What I don’t get is the why, I could be wrong but I thought most family annihilations happened when the wife or husband decided to leave and the partner left behind murdered them as a way of stopping them or controlling them. He was the one who wanted out, I will never understand why.

And this is where the money comes in. Financially, the divorce will be brutal. NK may not need him very poor, and he is afraid he will not be appealing to the new person in his life (who is such a willing sexual partner - I am positive this is the true explanation for his love). And the kids - 50/50 custody is most advantageous, but again, NK wants to have own kids, not raise his girls - and then, Nico.

So he is afraid to lose his new love, and financially, he'll be messed up with his divorce.

There is some brutal logic behind it - it is another thing that even with this logic, most people, hopefully, will choose other avenues, but this is why not every person facing a divorce becomes FA.

 

[esayer]

You stage a crime scene when you are close to a victim and you hope to direct the investigation away from you.

The most typical example in a murder case is a husband kills his wife, and wants to make it appear that she was killed in a burglary gone wrong.

They always screw this up, taking things that a burglar wouldn’t take, not taking things that he would, ransacking areas that wouldn’t typically be ransacked, opening drawers in a way that a burglar wouldn’t, etc.

They sometimes dump “stolen” items near the residence, as they don’t have time to get rid of them, or when they worry about having something that would tie them directly to a murder.

Staging a crime scene, almost always has the opposite effect of what one intends.

The best is when they say someone broke in, and the glass and screen are on the outside of the home lolol

 

[Jupiter05]

I dont think that is him. Beard looks different and i think he was still at Cervi 319 at that time.

Agreed!

 

[Jupiter05]

When I first watched I never doubted it was him, although the orange tee shirt made me pause. Now that I go back & look .... not completely sure it's him. As for his diet, I think that probably went out the window starting about Monday morning.

And will be out the window for the rest of his sorry, wasted life.

 

[x_files]

Here's a theory what if he stayed up waiting for SW's to come home her flight was delayed and Bella kept getting up annoying him while he was trying to sext via Facetime with NK and set him off.
what if she walked in on him masturbating to his laptop with NK and he smothered her downstairs?
or SW's walked in on him sexting with NK?