GUILTY CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *CW LWOP* #63

[ZsaZsa]

@Larry Levine This move to a new prison, for his safety- only his victims (Shanann's family included) know where he has gone . Is there any reason they have to keep it secret? Where do you think he is, and is there any place that is really safe other than solitary? Do you think they have sent him back to N.C?.

 

[esayer]

I saw that hos weight said 190. I thought he weighed like 225. If true, he has lost a lot of weight.

He weighed 245 before he started his weight loss 'journey'. 185 when he was arrested.

 

[WildWest]

Why the heck would they think CW did all the housework and childcare?

I am thinking because Chris said so and played it up along with talking about she was a bad person. Sore spot for me, it happened to me too, made me look like I did nothing and he did EVERYTHING. It happens, most times from what I learned from changes from an affair. Sad. You wouldn't make more than a couple days in our shoes Chris (grrrrr). Again I am personalizing, speaking from the past.

 

[MCDRAW]

A little different insight to the Watts family and the grandkids: My parents admitted to me that they were closer with my children than the rest of the grandkids. I lived the closest to my parents, and involved them in my kids lives, and my kids in my parent's lives. Two of my siblings lived out of state. My parents saw those grandkids typically 2 times a year. They didn't 'know' those grandkids. They cared about them, didn't want harm to come to them but it wasn't the same relationship as with my kids. Before my parents died, there was an argument with my sister in law and brother. They were living at my parents at the time and my sis in law is what I would imagine like Shannann. From the FB posts, to micromanaging, controlling, etc. I don't think that gives anyone a reason to murder someone! It isn't a personality that I would form a friendship with. I don't like people that manipulate. At any rate, my sis in law thought she was going to use the kids as leverage in getting my parents to do what she wanted. It didn't work. My parents refused to be treated like crap in their own home, and bend over backwards to appease others. My parents said kids were NOT to be used as if chess pieces in a game. They refused to be manipulated. They even stated if that meant the kids would not be a part of their lives, they were OK with that. So coming from that experience, I understand the Watts family.

It didn't give Chris the right to murder anyone! NO! It doesn't mean I hate Shannann, how silly, I didn't know her! Just a different perspective on the situation. Throughout the interviews, I could imagine my Mom sayign some of the same things about my sis in law. She was deeply hurt by how she and my Dad were treated.

Would your parents have put those children in danger just to make a point? I have never seen or read that Shanann tried to keep those kids away until Cindy and the sister attempted to kill those kids with the nuts. In fact, Shanann was a lot nicer than I would have ever been. I wouldn't have let them in mine or my children's lives had they not attended the wedding. Once the nut incident happened Shanann had no other choice. She was a good mother that would never put her children in danger. I can't understand the Watts at all. It's one thing for them not to like the DIL, but to trash her in death takes that to a whole other level. They cared so little for their grandchildren that they were willing to feed them nuts that could have killed them. They don't just hand out epi-pens with every allergy. I don't believe I have ever known, heard of, or seen another family, where not one person in that family is a voice of reason. None have logic and all are filled with hatred.

 

[Check21]

Do many people take their wedding ring off to sleep? I only ever took my rings off when I was making pastry.

CW said in one of his interviews the only time SW took off her rings is when she colors her hair. And that she had just colored her hair the week before in NC.

 

[WildWest]

BBM, RSBM for focus

A few threads back when the discovery docs came out, I made a comment how shocked I was at how she talked to her friend about the sex act CW performed on her. This description totally fits that bill.

OT, that kind of voice unsettles me too. I know a couple women that use that voice and they are quite unkind and mean. I'm curious if NK also used a one sided upper lip sneer like the women I know.

 

[MCDRAW]

I agree, I'm sure there's hell to pay if RW didn't stand by mama Watts, this goes for the daughter too. This has gone on for over 35 yrs, now it's just second nature. jmo

I think RW and Cindy are a team. Not more her or him. I think he has let her be the more vocal so he could keep his nice guy act up. She is definitely more vocal. If he didn't agree with her, he wouldn't have stayed and he wouldn't have let her continue with this behavior. JMO

 

[Jennifer17]

I think RW and Cindy are a team. Not more her or him. I think he has let her be the more vocal so he could keep his nice guy act up. She is definitely more vocal. If he didn't agree with her, he wouldn't have stayed and he wouldn't have let her continue with this behavior. JMO

And their daughter modeled herself in these two nasty people's images and I think, got a double dose.

 

[Layla123]

BBM. Of course they knew it was lies. Not only lies, but malicious acts like the nut incidents. RW lied when he said that CW told him that he could not put the dead girls with his dead wife. No such conversation took place.
Of course they lied when they said SW did not have lupus and the girls did not have asthma.
How would they know. They would not, so they lied.

Does Ronnie actually say Chris told him that he could not put the children next to the woman who killed them, or does Ronnie just spit it out like it’s a fact that makes sense, and everyone will agree with the logic behind it?

 

[LovesChocolate]

Does Ronnie actually say Chris told him that he could not put the children next to the woman who killed them, or does Ronnie just spit it out like it’s a fact that makes sense, and everyone will agree with the logic behind it?

I remember seeing people posting that "explanation" in a FB group, very early on in the case. When I heard RW state it in his interview, I was a little stunned. Did the Watts get this from the FB group (to which they were leaking gossip to), or did the FB group get it first from RW?

 

[Karinna]

Would your parents have put those children in danger just to make a point? I have never seen or read that Shanann tried to keep those kids away until Cindy and the sister attempted to kill those kids with the nuts. In fact, Shanann was a lot nicer than I would have ever been. I wouldn't have let them in mine or my children's lives had they not attended the wedding. Once the nut incident happened Shanann had no other choice. She was a good mother that would never put her children in danger. I can't understand the Watts at all. It's one thing for them not to like the DIL, but to trash her in death takes that to a whole other level. They cared so little for their grandchildren that they were willing to feed them nuts that could have killed them. They don't just hand out epi-pens with every allergy. I don't believe I have ever known, heard of, or seen another family, where not one person in that family is a voice of reason. None have logic and all are filled with hatred.

IMO they had a set against Shanann probably from the get go.
To not attend the wedding etc. I would of told them where to go. And a husband sticks by their wife, and i had a previous crazy MIL who told my husband i wasn't welcome in her home because i was a divorced woman, and she didn't like my kids either because they were from my first relationship. My husband told her if his wife & kids aren't welcome neither was he, and we never went back to that house again.
But when her husband my FIL died, we were the only ones there to help her, even though she died the following year after her husband.

 

[Jennifer17]

I remember seeing people posting that "explanation" in a FB group, very early on in the case. When I heard RW state it in his interview, I was a little stunned. Did the Watts get this from the FB group (to which they were leaking gossip to), or did the FB group get it first from RW?

Every malicious lie came from that family. See which one is the most Internet savvy and place it there. Awful, awful people.

 

[katydid23]

#5 is especially important to me.

In the course of an argument that escalated to violence, there would at the very least be wounds on the bodies of atleast one of them.

Scratches, bruising, something.

She only suffered bruising on her neck from strangulation.

With everything else we know, I think the most likely scenario is that this was a previously planned act of murder.

She never saw it coming.

I agree. And if it started as an argument and escalated, then there would have been some screaming and loud arguments going on. And the neighbors have already said they heard that previously. So if there was an ongoing, escalating argument, someone would have heard something, imo.

And no one heard anything until they heard poor Deter yelping later on.

I think she was vulnerable, laying down in bed, thinking they were still going to try and work on the marriage. And he blindsided her, like the vile coward that he is.

 

[PommyMommy]

Does Ronnie actually say Chris told him that he could not put the children next to the woman who killed them, or does Ronnie just spit it out like it’s a fact that makes sense, and everyone will agree with the logic behind it?

At :50. Ronnie says that CW said he could not put the girls with her after what she did.

 

[JEM1975]

You have me thinking, what if ... this is where NK comes in (cue du-du-DUHHHHHH music). Did she help him clean up whatever it was ?!?! Many of us think she is withholding and knows more. This is just my own thought and was not stated anywhere. Yet.

Something in my gut tells me that NK may have been hiding in the garage to make it look like the garage door was alerting on the alarm. This would make it look like it was Shanann who left out the garage door.

 

[smucklecrumble]

I don't have an AppleWatch, but I have a FitBit I wear to bed most nights (tracks sleep, etc...) I wonder if AppleWatches do that, because if so, maybe she would have been wearing it.

Mine does. Shows when I move in my sleep and even if I’m awoken.

 

[MassGuy]

Something in my gut tells me that NK may have been hiding in the garage to make it look like the garage door was alerting on the alarm. This would make it look like it was Shanann who left out the garage door.

There isn’t any evidence of this.

This is the type of crime that is committed by a lone individual. It is personal.

I don’t think she knew anything like this was going to happen, much less was involved in it.

This crime was so sloppy, that only a complete dumbass could screw it up this badly.

That’s exactly what CW is.

There isn’t even a hint of her being involved.

 

[Layla123]

At :50. Ronnie says that CW said he could not put the girls with her after what she did.

First of all, PommyMommy, you are so wonderful, but second, Chris did not say that to him! We saw the interview! So, if the Watts know they are lying, don’t they realize their conversations are on tape, and they will be instantly proven to be liars? I don’t get it. I watched CW tell his Dad he heard a commotion, he ran up the stairs and the kids were both “gone,” but he told the cops he walked back up the stairs and into his bedroom and noticed Shanann strangling CeCe on the baby monitor. What is the matter with these Watts people?

 

[Jennifer17]

At :50. Ronnie says that CW said he could not put the girls with her after what she did.

Liars. Both of them.

 

[JEM1975]

There isn’t any evidence of this.

This is the type of crime that is committed by a lone individual. It is personal.

I don’t think she knew anything like this was going to happen, much less was involved in it.

This crime was so sloppy, that only a complete dumbass could screw it up this badly.

That’s exactly what CW is.

There isn’t even a hint of her being involved.

You are always so thoughtful and logical! Thanks MassGuy