GUILTY CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *CW LWOP* #64

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Ok, thank you! It's very curious...
Isn't it? I wish I understood the technology, too. If the searches had been deleted from the phone, hence their being unable to date them, how did they know he or someone using his phone performed the searches at all?
 
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Your last sentence ... So the question is, why did he pull into the driveway on Monday morning? The girls should have been asleep like every other morning, and he wouldn’t have wanted to wake them. So, this is a lie for 8/13, because they were dead that morning, as we know.

Also, I thought he backed the truck bed end into the garage so he could load the bodies from inside the garage. Why would he carry or drag any bodies outside the garage and risk it being caught on camera. That’s why we can’t see him loading the bodies, even though some on the internet claim we can. I think the only things he’s loading within sight of the camera are the gas can or other work-related things. And I know it was 5:30am—early—but he's damn lucky more people weren’t up and driving or running or walking by. Imagine if a neighbor was up and happened to come by the driveway!
Why would he be walking backwards to the truck, if not dragging something? If it was work tools he was loading, he would be walking forward....
 
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I think had he managed to get away with this, eventually he would have killed again somewhere down the line.
I think so too. Like Drew Peterson?
 
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I missed a lot here because of work. The phone call on youtube from SW's friend Christina contains her talking to Cindy too?? Cindy IMO played a big role in hurting their marriage. What a shame. Also, CW is going to prison in Wisconsin! Someone posted Co. has a max security prison, why not there??
 
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I can't get multiquote to work, apologies. @MsBetsy - you were inquiring as to what the date of the search for 80mg of Oxycodone was. Discovery page 1769 in the report says that the 2 searches had been deleted from the phone and therefore date and time stamps were not available.
Can you link the first post about oxycodone? Who was searching for it?
 
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90 mg of Oxycodone indicates many potential problems, especially in view of today's treatment of chronic pain, when people are taken off opiates, but we are coming to the same point.

People are people, they have medical issues, emotional issues. They suffer. If you are not happy with the marriage, divorce is an option. Divorce - not making three kids with your partner and then killing them all.

We have no idea if either CW or SW was on prescription pain medication. All we have is a reference to an internet search
 
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Wow, thanks for posting. The Christina call was fascinating to hear. She did say SW had said the girls didn't even want to be near Chris when they saw him. I'm so impressed with SW's friends. These ladies knew her so well and were on the ball.
Totally. I know everyone likes to protect their own privacy, but IMO you’ve got to tell at least a couple close people some things and what is going on, in case anything should happen.
 
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Ya. Remember the detached picture of him at the birthday party. Bella had the look of birthday cake anticipation in her eyes. Dad behind her was off in another world. Girls were right with him and not an oz of love can be seen.

Sure, as a parent, going to non-stop bday parties at that age is torture because you have to interact with all the other parents. He’d already checked out though. I wonder if we will ever hear anything from other party attendees about his demeanor that day.
As far as we have heard, he was acting totally normal and at one point rushed over to Cece when it appeared she may have been hurt.
 
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Why would he be walking backwards to the truck, if not dragging something? If it was work tools he was loading, he would be walking forward....
I don’t know.
 
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I missed a lot here because of work. The phone call on youtube from SW's friend Christina contains her talking to Cindy too?? Cindy IMO played a big role in hurting their marriage. What a shame. Also, CW is going to prison in Wisconsin! Someone posted Co. has a max security prison, why not there??

BBM. No, they're two separate videotaped calls, one by LE to Christina, then another by LE to Cindy. Both are posted on the same youtube channel.
 
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Totally. I know everyone likes to protect their own privacy, but IMO you’ve got to tell at least a couple close people some things and what is going on, in case anything should happen.

I found it unusual that NK was so private with her personal life with her friends. She stated her friend Charlotte was her girl and her everything. She texted her sexual things about CW, yet she wasn’t going to tell her anything about the ongoing investigation and that her bf killed his family and she was the mistress. That’s odd - super odd.
jmo
 
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I said a few threads back that I don't find the labels helpful as I am not a professional.

I find it more helpful to approach it in terms of observable behaviours and patterns.

To me Watts is not driven by the narc style fantasies of success/power etc
Although his dream was to be a Nascar Mechanic, where all the action is. Imo
 
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Can you link the first post about oxycodone? Who was searching for it?
In the huge document of paperwork ( Christopher Watts discovery file | Garage (Residential) | Bathroom ) type 1585 in the page field (not the main Search box or it'll bring up 0 hits as these were not OCR scanned, it apepars). That'll take you to "Discover Page 1786" and there and on next page you'll see reference to the 2 searches that they found deleted on the phone with no timestamp.
 
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Although his dream was to be a Nascar Mechanic, where all the action is. Imo

And yet I can't name a single NASCAR mechanic. Drivers, managers, driver wives, sponsors, etc but not any mechanic. They may be on the track for pit stops, but they are very much behind the scenes people. Background people.
 
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I’m in UK and have followed this case from the beginning, I can’t seem to get it out my head and will never understand why he literally annihilated his wife and children. I’ve read almost every thread and I can’t get Shanann and those beautiful girls out my mind. I know we go back and forth over who was killed first and just wanted to share my own opinion.

I’ve wondered if possibly CW killed his wife first, then as he was taking her body downstairs Bella or Cece woke up after hearing noises and thinking mummy was home. And whichever of those sweet babies it was, caught CW in the act so in his twisted mind had no choice but to do the unthinkable. He was planning to dispose of Shanann’s body at the oil field, that’s why he made sure he went there that morning. But he may not have been planning on killing the girls. I believe like others have said that usually within a lie are tiny bits of truth, so when he’s asked what happened he’s insisting that he panicked, didn’t know what to do, there’s partial truth to that. Because his plan hadn’t been for one of the girls to wake up and see him with mommy’s body wrapped in a sheet being dragged/carried across the hallway. I don’t think they saw Shanann dead but he knew they would tell someone about waking up in the night and seeing daddy carrying a big bundle down the stairs (think I read she was possibly wrapped in a sheet) So he took Shanann downstairs to the basement (which is why there was a possible hit off the cadaver dog down there and why the sheet was missing) went back up and told Bella or CeCe that mommy still wasn’t home and to go back to sleep, then realised that there was now a witness and that the girls would tell someone that they woke up and saw daddy carrying something downstairs. So now in his twisted mind there’s no other option but to sneak into the girls rooms, and hold their noses while he forced their jaws shut til they were dead. That thought makes me sick. Most likely Bella was the one who woke up so that’s why she had fought and bitten her tongue, she probably was lay with her eyes closed just falling back to sleep when she sensed her daddy come into the room and thinking he was coming to give her a goodnight kiss pretended to be sleeping and was totally vulnerable to him when he pounced. Then Celeste being the one who was in a deeper sleep, was murdered as she slept by her daddy. SW’s body was put in the truck first, then the girls followed, and I really hope they weren’t stuffed in a black bag like I’ve seen theorised on here. Once in his truck he’s panicking thinking what am I going to do with girls, it was only supposed to be Shanann. That’s why his truck sort of waits before driving out the street. Because he’s thinking and then ‘ding’ oil tanks in the oil field. So he drives off on his merry way to dispose of his families bodies one by one. I wonder if he turned around to look at them when he was in the drivers seat? I wonder what he thought about on the way to work that morning, probably NK and what fun they were going to have together. Once at the field he panics because he hasn’t thought through how small those hatches are on the tanks so he does have push his little daughters into them.

Thank God for NUA who didn’t hesitate and trusted her instincts. And the amazing neighbour!
Obviously all MOO but that’s the latest conclusion I’m coming to on what could have happened the night this evening innocent lives were taken by nothing more than an evil monster who thankfully is exactly where he belongs and his Christmas isn’t looking quite like he expected it would be this year, I hope all he can see in his mind are the family he so senselessly removes from this earth when it should be the other way around. That 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬 doesn’t deserve to be waking up every morning.
Rest in peace Shanann, Bella, Celeste and Nico and thoughts go out to the Rzuceks at this time of year especially. They’ve showed so much dignity in the last few months.
 
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Sorry to derail but someone mentioned the MK thread. Just curious, what case that is? I can't figure it out.

The murder of Meredith Kercher - it was a different forum.

Down the years as you follow cases, you meet a lot of very great posters, and thankfully you bump into them from time to time!
 
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After sitting for the polygraph test, agents walk in and inform him that they will need to take photos of him for the purpose of the investigation.

The photos show Watts looking dead behind the eyes and lifeless, and after the agents leave the room he at one point looks at a photo of his two daughters.

Watts shows no emotion while looking at the image of a smiling Bella and Celeste, and soon after falls asleep in his chair.

The photos of him are just repulsive. Totally dead eyes. His arms look very strong. They never stood a chance.

Shirtless Chris Watts seen in photos just moments before his arrest for murder with Metallica tattoo | Daily Mail Online
 
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I just echoed the term "cheap construction" so though not addressed to me I will wager an answer -- it's all sheetrock and a bit blank, looks quickly done, not solid with stone or brick or wood and detail. I think Shannan made it lovely, truly lovely, she was a real homemaker.

Yeah - i had not meant to start a conversation about US suburban building trends!!

My point was simply as you say. The footprint of each house occupies the max area of section and uses modern fast/cheap fabrication instead of traditional materials.

So basically the neighbours would hear all the shouting.
 
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After sitting for the polygraph test, agents walk in and inform him that they will need to take photos of him for the purpose of the investigation.

The photos show Watts looking dead behind the eyes and lifeless, and after the agents leave the room he at one point looks at a photo of his two daughters.

Watts shows no emotion while looking at the image of a smiling Bella and Celeste, and soon after falls asleep in his chair.

The photos of him are just repulsive. Totally dead eyes. His arms look very strong. They never stood a chance.

Shirtless Chris Watts seen in photos just moments before his arrest for murder with Metallica tattoo | Daily Mail Online

Seriously who goes to police interviews in shorts and flipflops?

I know if summer and all but seems remarkably casual.
 
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