GUILTY CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *CW LWOP* #64

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oh come on! Have you actually read through the discovery documents? CW certainly wasn't lazy, he pulled his weight helping around the home and with the girls.
I get the need to demonise him, but it should at least be factual.
I've read some of the documents and kept up with the case and I think it's very apparent that Shanann carried the heavy load, but said and did things to make him look good. CW even admits to that. CW doesn't have to be demonized, he IS a horrible, cold, selfish, brutal demon!

Also, if he wasn't lazy (among other things) he would have worked on the marriage or gone and seen an attorney! MOO, of course.
 
  • #1,602
IDK. We have extensive testimony, including best friend Christin(a?), that has SW in charge of the household and CW complaining that he "can't even hang something on a wall, etc." Can you be invisibly "in charge" such that no one but you knows it, even to the extent of felt effects upon the world? What's the aim of such behaviour? How long can you keep it up?

My sense after listening to the friend from Hawaii interview was that what SW was reporting was a wholesale change in nature, a person she had not glimpsed before, and the friend seemed to agree with that diagnosis. It's possible, I suppose, that CW had spent his whole life pretending, with full knowledge, to be someone he wasn't. But I think it's more likely that the New CW -- possibly catalyzed, as she admits, by NK -- was a surprise to him too, and even if it was sometimes shocking, he wasn't going back. That's why annihilation, rather than divorce, or even the murder of SW only, became the plan. IMO.
BBM. I thought that it was NK that he complained about that to.
 
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IDK. We have extensive testimony, including best friend Christin(a?), that has SW in charge of the household and CW complaining that he "can't even hang something on a wall, etc." Can you be invisibly "in charge" such that no one but you knows it, even to the extent of felt effects upon the world? What's the aim of such behaviour? How long can you keep it up?

My sense after listening to the friend from Hawaii interview was that what SW was reporting was a wholesale change in nature, a person she had not glimpsed before, and the friend seemed to agree with that diagnosis. It's possible, I suppose, that CW had spent his whole life pretending, with full knowledge, to be someone he wasn't. But I think it's more likely that the New CW -- possibly catalyzed, as she admits, by NK -- was a surprise to him too, and even if it was sometimes shocking, he wasn't going back. That's why annihilation, rather than divorce, or even the murder of SW only, became the plan. IMO.

If he has been diagnosed, it hasn't been shared with us yet. That's JMO on who was really in control.
 
  • #1,604
Good news. It is illegal to deny access to anyone for the First class bathroom.

I don’t know how a prisoner would be able to go to the bathroom.

What about when they are driven for hundreds of miles via van. How does having them go to the bathroom work?

TMI but how could it work?
Google it! They wear diapers. If it’s a big old prison/DOC bus they are told prior to boarding there will be NO stops. they are given pads or Depends. No way the bus is stopping for pee breaks, unchaining, uncuffing, unshackling anyone.
If it’s one inmate in a cruiser maybe from TN to FL, it’s up to the officer. But the inmate will NOT be in the restroom alone.
In the bus or van, they can pee all over. It’s inmates that clean it. The driver/guards don’t care.
 
  • #1,605
I think as the only person she has to think of is herself, it has made her selfish, she only sees her own needs.
She and her father made a few jokes about how much she talks, evidently since she was young. 400 words a minute, something like that, a joke. I think she's just used to being in control, and maintains that control by talking a lot, hence the detours into macros, CW's weight, bunkbeds for the girls, showing them how to paint a flower pot, whatever. She really talks a lot, uses many non-word sounds and extends one syllable words into two syllables to extend her control of the conversation, and is so unaware of what others are thinking that she doesn't even realize they (we, some of us anyway) are staring at her in horror as she blabbers away while her boyfriend, someone else's husband, killed 2 babies and their mother.
 
  • #1,606
Does anyone know about OCD? I have a question to something thats been niggling at me.
 
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CW doesn’t seem like the type of person to take the initiative around the house, or in most areas of his life.

Unless he has a vested interest in something, he’s willing to take a backseat and go with the flow.

This is made pretty clear in the discovery document.

He only cleaned the house after “they vanished,” because he was covering up a crime.

I highly doubt he did many household chores prior to that, without being asked.

We had a VI claim that he did a great deal around the house, but we all know that we were likely being lied to.
 
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Does anyone know about OCD? I have a question to something thats been niggling at me.
Has someone been diagnosed with OCD?
 
  • #1,609
I would never have my husband decorate the house. He had the basement and the garage and his house office.

When I look at it through people’s eyes now, maybe it is not right. Something to contemplate. My husband’s idea of decorating is motorcycle posters, random tools mounted on the wall, notes to his self stuck with pins into the wall.

I just can’t.
 
  • #1,610
I think her never being married and not having kids might have something to do with her behavior and maturity level. She had a job, paid rent, car payment and simple bills. Similar to that of a college student and that’s where her maturity stayed. Just my 2 cents.
jmo
Come on. . One can be mature at 30 without having kids or a spouse. She had an apt, truck, supported herself, had A job. That’s an average mature adult.

She made a dumb mistake picking an evil married man. She made a dumber mistake by not being honest with LE. She has to live with this shame and hopefully regret for the rest of her life.

I’m no fan of NK and wouldn’t want to befriend her. But I don’t think she should be considered immature due to her marital status.
 
  • #1,611
Has someone been diagnosed with OCD?
Nope. Although I do recall the Watts family making statements to that effect during their vile attempts to destroy Shanann.
 
  • #1,612
CW doesn’t seem like the type of person to take the initiative around the house, or in most areas of his life.

Unless he has a vested interest in something, he’s willing to take a backseat and go with the flow.

This is made pretty clear in the discovery document.

He only cleaned the house after “they vanished,” because he was covering up a crime.

I highly doubt he did many household chores prior to that, without being asked.

We had a VI claim that he did a great deal around the house, but we all know that we were likely being lied to.
I disagree, several witness statements supported the fact that CW did his fair share.
 
  • #1,613
One more day! Thanks for the reminder. I’m recording. Just in case an ill timed phone call or some other disturbance interrupts.

Hopefully NK will not be mentioned much. She so craves fame, notoriety, wealth. She disgusts me. Just the fact she was in SWs house makes me ill. I don’t care that CW invited her. She knew she was in another woman’s house. Classless.

Trudie.
Classless summarizes NK very well.
Hope this is continually broadcast for her to hear.:):):)
MOO.
 
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I disagree, several witness statements supported the fact that CW did his fair share.

That doesn’t prove that he took any initiative.
 
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Shanann Watts' Parents Break Their Silence on Triple Murder of Daughter and 'Miracle' Grandkids
Shanann Watts wanted the world for her little girls, Bella and Celeste, and her unborn son, Niko. A driven and determined woman, the 34-year-old Watts had overcome the risks of her lupus diagnosis to have children, who were her “miracles.”

Sandra said her daughter “never gave up” and kept a vision board — “to make sure her children had everything they ever needed,” Shanann’s father explained.

“She was a good soul,” Frank told ABC.

Both he and Sandra described Shanann as confident, resolute. Before giving birth, she had dreamed of being a mother, Sandra said, and for years she battled lupus, an autoimmune disease.

When Shanann became pregnant with Bella, her oldest daughter, some of her friends grew concerned about the health risks, Sandra said.

She recalled telling Shanann, however, “God wouldn’t let it happen if it wasn’t meant to be.”

Speaking with ABC News, Shanann’s parents said their daughter and grandchildren were gifts from God.
 
  • #1,617
I’m a Minnesota girl. It all depends on location. MN is a large state geographically and it varies across the state.
jmo

A few MN sleuthers here ;0)
 
  • #1,618
CW doesn’t seem like the type of person to take the initiative around the house, or in most areas of his life.

Unless he has a vested interest in something, he’s willing to take a backseat and go with the flow.

This is made pretty clear in the discovery document.

He only cleaned the house after “they vanished,” because he was covering up a crime.

I highly doubt he did many household chores prior to that, without being asked.

We had a VI claim that he did a great deal around the house, but we all know that we were likely being lied to.
In his taped interview I noticed something that I overlooked in the transcripts. That is, he used fewer "likes" "you knows", etc when he was talking about his job and his technical schooling. The more he got into interpersonal relationships the more the "likes" dominated his speech.
I think he's one of a type of person I have known who are good at one thing, yet hopelessly fish out of water in all other categories. He would have ended up with Nikki in the same boat, resentfully watching her make all the decisions. I don't think he's stupid, even though the way he murdered implies that. I think bringing them to "work" shows that he really only had one part of his life where he was in control....the mechanical/technical part of his life.
 
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I think I am probably the only person that thinks he had a decent plan. I don't think anyone would have found the children's bodies, not in time anyway....

Respectfully disagree 100%. His plan was so bad, it didn't seem like a plan at all. At every turn he had a problem. As for putting the children's bodies in the oil tanks, sooner or later they would have been discovered. Then what? The bodies would have immediately been tied to Chris. Any way you slice it, he was completely trapped by his actions that night. His work truck movements could be tracked, so he was severely limited in his body disposal options. If he took out SW's car in the middle of the night, his neighbor's camera would have caught him (hell, he probably would have forgotten to turn off his cell phone in any case). If he tried to give himself more time to dispose of the bodies at site 319, he would have had to explain why he uncharacteristically left for work much earlier than usual. It was no-win for him. I can't think of a single scenario where he could have gotten away with this crime given the constraints he was under.

When I think of this case and Chris Watts, the movie Body Heat comes to mind. Remember the scene with a young Mickey Rourke explaining to William Hurt how to plant an incendiary bomb in a boathouse to help stage/dispose of the body of his lover's husband (Kathleen Turner)? Upon questioning Hurt why the hell he is contemplating this crime, Rourke says:

"Any time you try a decent crime, there are 50 ways you can f*ck up. If you can think of 25 of them, you are a genius. And you ain't no genius."​

:-) Dave
 
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CW doesn’t seem like the type of person to take the initiative around the house, or in most areas of his life.

Unless he has a vested interest in something, he’s willing to take a backseat and go with the flow.

This is made pretty clear in the discovery document.

He only cleaned the house after “they vanished,” because he was covering up a crime.

I highly doubt he did many household chores prior to that, without being asked.

We had a VI claim that he did a great deal around the house, but we all know that we were likely being lied to.

I have to say I was very impressed when he was cooking and singing some kind of song. People recognized it as a Disney song? I have no clue.

Anyway, he was wiping down the cabinets as he cooked. It was like it was automatic.

He worked at a car dealership. The dealership I went to was so clean you could eat off the floor.
 
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