GUILTY CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *CW LWOP* #65

[Pi Thoughts]

No, you would go on because of the family that you still had. You would not do that to them.

Absolutely, I can vouch for that.

 

[Jennifer17]

Absolutely, I can vouch for that.

Yes, I am still here because of that, like you.

 

[Lilibet]

For all of you who have lost children or grandchildren....wrapping you in hugs. I’m so sorry.

 

[MassGuy]

No murder victim is a saint, as no person is perfect.

I understand the need for an explanation as to the “why” here. I’d love to have that answer myself.

The only thing we can say with any degree of certainty, is that he wanted a fresh start.

But to say that she did something that caused him to do this, still doesn’t explain his actions.

Because of the kids.

Marriages deteriorate. Both parties generally share some responsibility for that.

Accusing her of all sorts of innapropriate behavior, does not explain the leap from divorce, to mass murder.

It doesn’t help us explain the “why,” and only serves to tarnish an innocent victim.

Only he can explain why he decided to kill his entire family, and dispose of their bodies like they were trash.

He killed his family because he is a selfish sociopath who is as evil as he is stupid.

Theorizing as to the specific stressors, and blaming Shanann for them, isn’t productive.

 

[Karinna]

IMO, In murder there is never any justification for blaming the victim/s. It is unjustifiable.

 

[Tigerlily75]

Agreed. I don't usually get into conspiracy theories but it kind of feels like someone is trying to get this thread shut down ahead of the 20/20 Special.

Everyone, please just report anything victim blaming and don't engage the trolls! There are far more posters here who are on Shanann's side IMO. If we don't argue and don't take the bait, just report the posts maybe we can keep the thread open. Please mods, don't close us up for Friday.

Agree!

As an aside we used to get 20/20 here (Australia), but I can’t find it anywhere in the TV guides. Hopefully at some point I can watch it online.

 

[mtnlites]

Yes. I hope so too and it seems like it is.

I would've probably shot my self by now or jumped off a bridge if those were my kids and grandkids. My only daughter and only grandbabies. I don't think I would survive it.

I don't think I would want to.

Yeah, one of the worst parts about losing a child is that you don't die along with them. You have to keep going. It sucks.

 

[human]

Because it was a mass murder investigation and because Jim, et al were friends with and in contact with the woman who was the motive for the murders.

It became necessary for investigators to include these people in the investigation as well so they could determine who knew what, who did what, and exactly what happened and they became part of the record on the investigation.

The public needs to know the phone number and about the father’s death exactly why?

 

[gitana1]

I never thought i would after my beautiful 23 yr. old son was killed by a drunk driver, and it took a very long time to get through it. Eventually the wonderful memories come through again, and i could smile again. Grief is a long and painful journey and a testimony of our love for our child.
I since lost my 36 yr. old daughter to illness a few years ago as well, so a double whammy. Still getting through that as well, and its never easy, but with wonderful love & support it certainly helps.
It teaches me just how very fragile our lives are.
I can't imagine the grief that Shanann's family are going through right now, because murder is horrific and i imagine a different type of grief for sure.
I wish them a tremendous amount of love and support to help them through this nightmare.

Oh wow. Yes you CAN imagine. You've been there! You lost two precious children.

Wow. Your strength is humbling. Thank you for sharing your life with us.

 

[Jennifer17]

Yeah, one of the worst parts about losing a child is that you don't die along with them. You have to keep going. It sucks.

You do keep going because you have another child who deserves your love and parenting.

 

[Karinna]

Agree!

As an aside we used to get 20/20 here (Australia), but I can’t find it anywhere in the TV guides. Hopefully at some point I can watch it online.

Maybe it will get posted to Youtube? Youtube does post up 20/20 episodes.

 

[Karinna]

Oh wow. Yes you CAN imagine. You've been there! You lost two precious children.

Wow. Your strength is humbling. Thank you for sharing your life with us.

Thankyou. I guess everyone deals with the grief of the loss of a child differently, but it really helps to be around others that have been through such a tragedy as well. I found tremendous comfort in joining a bereaved parent support group, they were wonderful and proof of surviving the worst time in our life. The Compassionate Friends support group is the one i joined and they have chapters worldwide. As we say the club that no one really wants to join, but they are very supportive.

 

[gitana1]

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It's sad, really. None of these cases will be prevented by inspecting the flaws of the victims. It's nonsense. These cases are ALWAYS about the character of the murderer.

It doesn't matter who the victim is: Shanann. Laci. Bella. Caylee. Sherri Coleman. Susan Powell. Celeste. Lillian Entwhistle. Michelle Young.

There is nothing about the victim that causes this and nothing about the victim that can be examined to prevent evil from occurring.

Of course Shanann was flawed. It's irrelevant. This is victim- blaming at its finest. "Keep sweet or you're asking for it."

Gross and sad.

Shanann, beautiful flaws and all, was clearly a special person. Her friends, the closeness and intimacy of her friendships and her family are all a testament to who she was and is. An imperfect but good human being, vulnerable to someone who she trusted, who turned out to be very sick in the head, the heart and the soul.

 

[Karinna]

Yeah, one of the worst parts about losing a child is that you don't die along with them. You have to keep going. It sucks.

Yes that is true.

 

[Pi Thoughts]

You do keep going because you have another child who deserves your love and parenting.

For me it’s about helping others now. Long road but I’ve found my tribe and we have wonderful little workshops with various speakers in our home. All sorts of lovely people have now entered my life.

 

[gitana1]

I know. It’s unthinkable. But even feeling that way gitana, I just know you would find a way to honor them with the way you live your life. That’s who you are.

Gosh thank you. That's a super kind thing to say. I want to be a good and strong person but it's a work in progress!!

I guess all we can do is sincerely try.

Good night friends. Shine like Shanann!!!

 

[BelleIsle]

She WAS less than forthcoming! She was downright creepy in how she approached this case. No wonder people speculate about her involvement. Her behavior and her attitude have been bizarre at best.

They owe her nothing. Rourke is a straight shooter and upright person IMO. He could've said a lot more.

SHE set her own self up for this hatred due to her behavior and attitude. There's no one to blame but herself and CW.

Watching the second interview right now. NK gives me a BPD vibe, strongly. I had only heard her voice until now, but watching her work the room...I'm wondering if she's not more borderline than sociopath, maybe both.

https://www.quora.com/Can-someone-have-BPD-and-be-a-sociopath

And...as with CW's family, going forward, I am not going to do her the favor of wasting more words on her or her vile actions.

I'm looking forward to seeing the interview with SW's family tomorrow.

 

[Jennifer17]

Gosh thank you. That's a super kind thing to say. I want to be a good and strong person but it's a work in progress!!

I guess all we can do is sincerely try.

Good night friends. Shine like Shanann!!!

BBM and a shout out to Johnny!

 

[bonjoviblonde]

It's pretty funny how this upcoming 20/20 episode clearly has them all so upset. No positive press for Shanann. We must retaliate. Must gather minions. Stomp. Stomp. Stomp. All kidding aside, it really is sad how they can hate poor Shanann more than they love their own grandchildren.

 

[k-mac]

I never thought i would after my beautiful 23 yr. old son was killed by a drunk driver, and it took a very long time to get through it. Eventually the wonderful memories come through again, and i could smile again. Grief is a long and painful journey and a testimony of our love for our child.
I since lost my 36 yr. old daughter to illness a few years ago as well, so a double whammy. Still getting through that as well, and its never easy, but with wonderful love & support it certainly helps.
It teaches me just how very fragile our lives are.
I can't imagine the grief that Shanann's family are going through right now, because murder is horrific and i imagine a different type of grief for sure.
I wish them a tremendous amount of love and support to help them through this nightmare.

so sad reading this karinna!
life is cruel.....but beautiful all at the same time.
thank you for sharing your kids with us.
your loved ones live on in memory and we now know them too.
ill think of them every post I see your name
take care x