GUILTY CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *CW LWOP* #65

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  • #381
She was the motive. Their communications are incredibly relevant.

That thong picture wasn’t released in order to embarrass her. It showed what he was infatuated with. He took that particular picture.

Are you seriously saying that they should release pictures of his genitals?

They likely have hundreds of compromising photos, countless internet searches/text messages that they haven’t released.

They were building a case in a murder investigation.

Impugning the DA and turning NK into a victim here, is wrong.

We have innocent murder victims, and the focus on NK and her reputation, misses the mark.

These investigators, along with this brilliant DA, resolved in mere months, a murder case that should have gone on for years.

That’s amazing.

That never happens.

That’s what matters.
Hang on, weren't you all saying originally that NK WAS a victim? It was quite clear that her 'interview' was a damage mitigation exercise from the outset.

Its funny how the realease of information can change someones view isn't it?
 
  • #382
Yes, but now she won’t be able to find one, and as of that last interview thought she’d have to move out of state and change her name. I think it’s too much punishment for having an affair.

It’s not just an affair. If it was that, I’d agree.

She lied to the police, she continually voiced concern about herself instead of any concern about the victims, she lied to the Denver Post.

She showed the world she is not somebody who should be trusted or valued. Or liked.
 
  • #383
But nobody would ever believe Shanann would leave and leave her children behind.
1 disappearing wife that was on a week long trip away without family ...
 
  • #384
NK instructed CW to shut down his FB account.

SHE KNEW
Exactly. And I would bet in NK's love talks/pseudocounseling to CW she sneakily told him to get rid of Facebook so SW couldn't tag him.....because then her pretend thoughts of not knowing would be ok. So the mistress couldp pretend to her friends and family when heentered the pictures that it was an ongoing divorce. I believe she had other affairs and tried to make this one pick her over the wife. I feel she knew simply by saying she encourage CW to go to NC to try and work it out. She knew the marriage wasn't over. .. .She knew there was baby on the way.
 
  • #385
Yes, but if NK had 'lawyered up' some would say that she had something to hide.

That's exactly how idiots like Watts and NK end up talking to the FBI without counsel!

BTW, there is never an 'informal' chat with LE.

I believe there is a key difference and this is what I was asking @gitana1

In the NZ/UK system I am familiar with, only sworn statements are admissible.

So when I did a police interview in a financial case, it was an off record 2 hour discussion where I reviewed my case file with the officer. The officer asked lots of questions and made notes. But none of what i told him would be admissible in Court by him. (Hearsay rule).

Rather I prepared a written affidavit and signed that - which would be admissible. We actually negotiated a lot about the exact text because the cop was always trying to make me incriminate the accused whereas I was worried not to over egg it.

So as far as I am aware, there is nothing to stop you having a coffee with the detectives, and giving them info or a heads up (or via your lawyer). But if you don't provide the relevant consents - what you say cannot be used in evidence I believe.

So that was my question. Can you simply refuse the video taped interview and do a non sworn discussion

A good example of this is Pistorius who provided a sworn statement as to his defence, but no police interview.
 
  • #386
I had a thought while I was reading through the texts between Shanann and Chris on 8/12 while she was still in AZ. She asked if he had time, if he could pack the girls' backpacks with their blankies and spare clothes for the first day of school the next day, and Chris replied he would (discovery page 2115) Chris made a big point of saying their blankies were gone during the first LE walkthrough (the ones they wouldn't go anywhere without.. probably trying to underscore the impression Shannan took the girls and left on her own volition.. and heartwrenching, as she also texted that she'd do it in the morning herself if he didn't have time) Did LE find the backpacks? Were the backpacks still in the house? Did he ever pack them, I wonder? Did he know even at that point, there'd be no tomorrow for those beautiful girls? MOO JMO
In one of the recent threads someone posted a link to photographs (around the time Shanann's nightstand drawer contents were discussed). I saw a photo at that link of a room that had a child's armchair with a cushion on it, and stuffed alongside the cushion was what appeared to me to be wet children's swimwear and wet towels. They appeared wet to me because they were very squashed down and didn't have the appearance of clean dry laundry. In the corner of the room were two black children's backpacks sort of just tossed there, I think one was upside down. I had the impression that they may have been used to carry the swimwear and had been emptied out.

It's strange because CW said at some point that the girls didn't have swimming costumes with them at the pool party and had to go in the pool in their clothes. Firstly I can't work out who would have a pool party and not tell the parents to bring costumes, secondly I think that is strange to go in the pool in a dress and sit around for the rest of the party in wet clothing or underwear, and thirdly the one photo I've seen of the birthday child blowing out his candles it looked to me that the girls may have been wearing costumes with towels wrapped around their shoulders. But that is straying from the point about the school backpacks. It's the only photo I saw with backpacks in it but I didn't closely analyse the other photos for backpacks.
 
  • #387
I suspect that LE have talked to 'Jim'. His contact details were in her phone and she called him on the morning of the 13th?

Probably - they had that call list early on.

I also would not be at all surprised if they simply asked NK offline who he was. Not every discussion happens in that room.

As there is no interview with Jim, I guess any discussion with him was offline and he was determined to be not relevant to the case
 
  • #388
Watching her home videos, I notice that when she has to deal with CW, she seems to stop a bit and it takes a bit of time for her to get back to things but I don't see that so much when it's her and her babies. Maybe I am reading it wrong. I have always wondered if he was jealous of her time with the little girls and not him.
 
  • #389
I never thought i would after my beautiful 23 yr. old son was killed by a drunk driver, and it took a very long time to get through it. Eventually the wonderful memories come through again, and i could smile again. Grief is a long and painful journey and a testimony of our love for our child.
I since lost my 36 yr. old daughter to illness a few years ago as well, so a double whammy. Still getting through that as well, and its never easy, but with wonderful love & support it certainly helps.
It teaches me just how very fragile our lives are.
I can't imagine the grief that Shanann's family are going through right now, because murder is horrific and i imagine a different type of grief for sure.
I wish them a tremendous amount of love and support to help them through this nightmare.
Couldn’t just scroll by with a like.

I’m very sorry for the loss of your children.
 
  • #390
It's strange because CW said at some point that the girls didn't have swimming costumes with them at the pool party and had to go in the pool in their clothes. Firstly I can't work out who would have a pool party and not tell the parents to bring costumes, secondly I think that is strange to go in the pool in a dress and sit around for the rest of the party in wet clothing or underwear, and thirdly the one photo I've seen of the birthday child blowing out his candles it looked to me that the girls may have been wearing costumes with towels wrapped around their shoulders. But that is straying from the point about the school backpacks. It's the only photo I saw with backpacks in it but I didn't closely analyse the other photos for backpacks.

I also found this completely strange.

If it were my kids they would have just gone in with nothing on at the age.
 
  • #391
GUILTY - CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *CW LWOP* #64

Let me be clear (again). I am not 'bashing' anyone. If someone posts something that is speculation and that contradicts statements made in discovery, its is OK to point that out.

I get the need to demonise CW and all that have relationships with him, but it isn't objective and its isn't sleuthing either.

<modsnip>

As for now, the case is over. He’s guilty. We’re debriefing, not sleuthing. It was a rough ride, especially for those of us who stood up for an innocent victim against thread after thread of heartless speculation and false “red flags”.

It’s over. Of course we’d demonize the one and only villain in this story, he’s a man who slaughtered his entire family, one by one.

He didn’t just wake up one day a monster. That would suggest any one of us could wake up tomorrow and slaughter our families. It was in him all along, no matter how many times he wiped a kitchen bench or dragged out the vacuum cleaner.

Why would I want to be “objective” about a man who in cold blood holds his hand over his baby girls mouth and nose while she desparately struggles and panics until she dies? Objective in what way, and why? Because he cleaned the house? What? No. He held his girls limp lifeless bodies by the hands and shoved them through an 8 inch hole into an oil tank.

No, no, no,

He’s a monster.
 
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Man I think I'm the wrong person to ask because I know you support her or feel for her but the more I learn about her the more I am disgusted with her. I have strong opinions of her and it's a 180 from where I started.

IMO she deserved to pay that great a price for being an apathetic, selfish and obstructive narcissist. She is a horrible human being, IMO. Once again, NOT FOR THE AFFAIR.

I've now heard two interviews with that reprehensible, juvenile woman and I can't get through the whole thing in one sitting. She's horrible.

What I would have advised her is to not delete or erase anything. I would have advised her to file a motion for a protective order and to attempt to seal all evidence from the public eye until trial. I would've accompanied her to the initial interview.

I don't know if I could have predicted what a nasty, apathetic person she turned out to be until after the initial interview, but if I had been able to detect it (maybe in my initial interview) I probably would have worked with her with mock questions and coached her on how to act like a normal, empathetic human being.

Because she certainly didn't come across that way in the interviews I heard.

I'm disgusted. The more I hear from her mouth the more I dislike her. I'd be happy if mention of her disappeared from the threads.

On a less biased note, (because I am definitely biased), the problem with handling the sensitive discovery involving her is that NO ONE - cops, DA, NK, her dad, or any potential attorney on her behalf- could've predicted that this case was going to settle so fast and thus discovery released. ALL discovery released.

So it would be hard to know how to prevent what happened. You'd have to have had foresight and be super fast.

What you have to understand is that there has been nothing wrong that LE or the state did in regard to their interviews or with regard to the acquisition or release of discovery.

LE is allowed to say whatever the hell they want in order to get the info they need to build their case. But they were probably sincere in their belief that they weren't attempting to embarrass her in what they sought and that they weren't going to just give the media everything.

Once again, they were seeking all information related to the affair to determine motive, timing and also who knew what. Not to hurt anyone. Every single communication, including every nudie photo taken and/or sent, had to be gathered and a determination later as to whether it would be relevant at trial.

And based on her bizarre behavior, they had to investigate her involvement. Which they did. So they had all this info, a great amount of which would probably be irrelevant at trial, but was properly and honestly gathered, which is now public record and quickly and u ceremoniously released without be filter of trial. That's no one's fault.

She was a very reluctant witness but if she had refused to talk most of this would've come out anyhow and she would look even worse and suspicion would be even greater. Because what kind of person refuses to cooperate with such an incredibly serious case except a low life? Especially when they can't hide their involvement regardless.

And so they have all this unfiltered evidence and no one expected it to be fair game because everyone expected a trial or at the least, a preliminary hearing prior to any serious plea talks.

And then it just happened. And based on her extremely recalcitrant and apathetic "cooperation", destruction of evidence and rude lack of respect toward the investigators, the investigation and the victims, I don't think anyone with control and custody of the discovery was concerned with giving that woman a heads up so she could run and get a protective order sealing or redacting the evidence.

They had vastly more important things to worry about than a person who only came forward because she felt she it was better than waiting for them to come to her, and who showed utter disdain for the process throughout.

I believe she has no legitimate cause of action against anyone and no recourse for anything that happened. Oh she may file some sort of cause of action against LE or the state but it will make her look worse and she will ultimately lose. That's my prediction.
You are brilliant, I love each and everyone of your posts, always perfectly said.
 
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Ummm, I beg to differ!!

Note, I am NOT defending NK, IMO, she is an immature twit with nor values or morals to speak of.

But, even though a person may have nothing to hide legally, they may have MUCH to hide personally. Abuse victims as a prime example.

Can you honestly say that everything you have ever texted, or emailed, you'd not have any problem sharing w/the world? Especially knowing that there are a multitude of nut jobs out there who are just salivating for a reason to hate someone, both on-line and in real life. If it helped solve a case, I'd be MORE than happy to be completely transparent with LE - but NOT the entire world!!!

I share your concerns. I don’t see any evidence in this case but there are plenty of recent stories of corrupt police officers and departments not working for the greater good. I’m not defending NK I’m just saying there are cases where you should not just hand over your personal devices without consulting with a lawyer / ensuring your rights are protected.
 
  • #397
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IMO no one is elevating Shanann to sainthood. Although she now resides in the kingdom of Love, and when my son died he gave me a glimpse into heaven. He showed me something that was just breathtaking, and words can't describe it. But i know he lives in the light of pure love. Just as i imagine others that die under awful circumstances through no fault of their own do as well.
This was not the fault of Shanann and her little ones, and there are no excuses for cold blooded murder in my book. I don't care what Shanann did for a career, she was trying her best to contribute to her marriage and i can't fault her for that.
And her family have stated they believed Shanann had a good marriage, and that is from the people that knew her best. I certainly didn't know her but i cry for what happened to her and her babies and her family. It is heartbreaking to say the least.
 
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  • #398
Photos of stained shirt, underwear and bra Shanann Watts was wearing when her husband murdered her | Daily Mail Online

i don't know if this has been posted yet: if so, i am sorry but i could not go back thru all
the posts to see if it was. This is a heartbreaking photo of the blood stained shirt and bra she was wearing when her cold blooded evil husband murdered her.
What I find so sad too is that she took such measures with her appearance to look pretty and put together. So demeaning and cruel that we see how she was disposed.

Seriously everyday she and her family grow fonder to me.
 
  • #399
<modsnip>

As for now, the case is over. He’s guilty. We’re debriefing, not sleuthing. It was a rough ride, especially for those of us who stood up for an innocent victim against thread after thread of heartless speculation and false “red flags”.

It’s over. Of course we’d demonize the one and only villain in this story, he’s a man who slaughtered his entire family, one by one.

He didn’t just wake up one day a monster. That would suggest any one of us could wake up tomorrow and slaughter our families. It was in him all along, no matter how many times he wiped a kitchen bench or dragged out the vacuum cleaner.

Why would I want to be “objective” about a man who in cold blood holds his hand over his baby girls mouth and nose while she desparately struggles and panics until she dies? Objective in what way, and why? Because he cleaned the house? What? No. He held his girls limp lifeless bodies by the hands and shoved them through an 8 inch hole into an oil tank.

No, no, no,

He’s a monster.
well said Tigerlilly!
 
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  • #400
What I find so sad too is that she took such measures with her appearance to look pretty and put together. So demeaning and cruel that we see how she was disposed.

Seriously everyday she and her family grow fonder to me.
I agree, she is still beautiful and lovely and all those things she ever was. Death is just a moment in time, and as awful as it appears to us, their spirit has left that inert body. We are really not our body, it is just the physical vehicle we walk around in in this physical existence. I had a very strong sense of that when i viewed my son's body a week after he was flown home because he died in another state, and he died 2 days before christmas, so with all the red tape to release his body from another state we had to wait a week to get him home for the funeral. It was his deceased body but it was no longer him because the essence of him had left. It is hard to explain if you haven't been through it, but other people i have talked with that have been through that understand.
 
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