GUILTY CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *CW LWOP* #66

[MassGuy]

His behavior suggests he was using something a tad stronger than "natural" ingredients. Do you really think CW would admit to using illegal street drugs? It wouldn't change his current address whether he admitted it or not. JMO

I genuinely don’t understand the point of this discussion.

None of the killers that we compare him to, needed drugs in order to kill their families.

His behavior absolutely doesn’t appear to be drug induced, nor influenced by drugs.

There is no actual evidence to support it either. Speculation is not evidence.

Even if he was doing drugs, it would make him no less culpable.

So I don’t get it.

 

[MyBelle]

In order to lose weight and become buff so quickly, I think he was abusing various drugs including steroids, perhaps even meth.

I agree with you.

 

[scdiv]

It made me sad listening to Frankie's audio interview with police. He was being so gracious about CW and CW's family. He read a message exchange he had with CW's sister after SW and the girls were "missing" but before CW confessed. The sister mostly was just venting about what people on social media were saying about Chris. Her attention and words were not really expressing genuine concern or sadness for her SIL and little nieces. Even if she hated Shanann, how could she be so uncaring toward her nieces? She also didn't show any empathy for how Shanann's family was coping. Her entire focus was just on mean things people were saying about Chris. It was so off. She sounds just like the mother. The tone was so ranting and hostile.

And at that moment in time, everyone was still missing. If Chris was innocent, who cares what trolls or random strangers on the Internet are saying. The entire focus should have been on finding his family. Their reaction and behavior throughout this has been truly bizarre.

 

[Gardener1850]

I know, but I am still curious as to whether or not it was ever verified that the ring was in the car.

No verification, as far as I know. It is only speculation. JMO.

 

[MsBetsy]

I think that is her. She is 7 years older than CW. That makes her early 40's now. Mid 30's in the blog photo. A lot can change for women face-wise between 30's and 40's. No amount of make up can combat gravity, and live video is different from a social media photo that can be touched up. The details are blurry in the court photo but general face shape, squared off chin and hair is the same. JMO.

That's a lot of aging in 10 years. But it very well could be. I don't know who else would be sitting with the family.

 

[MyBelle]

Maybe the OP was referring to them being drawn to compassionate, warm, caring women. Also a tendency to look for women who are physically attractive. Some may get an ego boost by having an attractive or sexy woman by their side, who they can "show off."
It doesn't necessarily mean it's an insult to the woman if she is victimized by someone who is Narcississtic. It can happen to intelligent women too, and it does not mean there is anything wrong with their character. Imo

I didn't suggest anything was wrong with a victim's character. I wouldn't call it an insult, I'd call it a warning to the potential victims. Everything is about ego to a narcissist, who come across as quite charming. JMO

 

[molly1255]

I don't know why he would take it from the car and then hide it under the pillows on the couch, though. It makes no sense.

There was something in her car, on the passenger side floor next to the passenger door that he was extremely interested in as it is the first thing he did when he arrived home. He even got on his knees and you can see his arm extended as if he was running his hand along the floor of the car.

Then he disappeared into the house and he was in there much longer than it would take to go in and open the front door. I think he was trying to hide something that was in Shanann's car. Was it her cell phone? IDK, but we do know Shanann's cell phone contained very damning text messages against CW and he had deleted those text messages from his own phone. I think he would have had an interest in deleting those messages from Shanann's phone as well, but didn't have time earlier and hoped LE wouldn't find it.

JMO

 

[x_files]

I think you’re right about Ronnie masking his animosity towards Shanann, atleast when they interacted.

I still think that Cindy was the one driving that hatred though, and Ronnie kind of took her lead.

For me, Cindy was still the worst, even though Shanann and now everyone else, knows exactly what she is.

Somehow, Jamie has been able to remain largely invible, while simultaneously inflicting the most damage out of any of them. Atleast after the fact.

A narcissist Flying Monkey.

 

[x_files]

It's here x_files,
@~34:20

so odd. what a weirdo.

 

[x_files]

I don't think he did. He only 'found' the ring to proclaim he was a victim of abandonment by his wife.

He went straight to NUA, not the cop, as if to tell her -Stop meddling, stop giving me the stink eye, go home and leave me alone, I'm the heart-broken victim here, not you.

You know this already though.

yeah, it was odd.

 

[Gardener1850]

That's a lot of aging in 10 years. But it very well could be. I don't know who else would be sitting with the family.

I agree, the years have not been kind if it's her. Face appearances can change drastically between smiling and having a neutral or frowning face as well. Whoever the woman in court is, she was not happy. JMO.

 

[MsBetsy]

My speculation:
He kills Shanann, takes the ring off, puts in his pocket, right before leaving the house, places it in the car for safe keeping, then upon arrival, opens the car door, picks it up, puts back in his pocket.

(His garage entrance door to the house is always open according to CW. Mine also is never locked. Too inconvenient to lock that door)

Or, maybe he took the ring off using something greasy or oily that was in the garage. She was pregnant so it may have been hard to take off. Then he stuck it under the seat of the car. Imo

 

[x_files]

The witness to his behavior is NK. She found it concerning and it has absolutely nothing to do with SW.

It isn't normal to go days without sleep and it is my opinion CW was ingesting street drugs of some kind.

Unless he is bipolar and has mania, but still you have to sleep eventually!

 

[x_files]

I genuinely don’t understand the point of this discussion.

None of the killers that we compare him to, needed drugs in order to kill their families.

His behavior absolutely doesn’t appear to be drug induced, nor influenced by drugs.

There is no actual evidence to support it either. Speculation is not evidence.

Even if he was doing drugs, it would make him no less culpable.

So I don’t get it.

He's still a psychopath yes, I agree that wouldn't change a thing.

 

[LAHOLLA]

So this is a bit OT...I am a muralist/artist and I really want to do a painting of the 4 angels, and now that I think about it? I want to do a mural of them in CO. I paint murals all over the US! Maybe that can be my goal next summer. They need to be memorialized! I'll start doing some sketches and keep you updated. Won't be till next week, I have a mural deadline next Friday!

I love this <3

 

[MsBetsy]

I don't think CW was "doubling up" on the Thrive patches. The one he was using was called "Duo Burn". The patches are split down the middle and you put half on each side of your body. You can see lots of people with the duo patches in the promo video: https://le-vel.com/Products/THRIVE/Burn

Oh, so we don't even know that he was doubling up on the patches? I thought the way it has been talked about it sounded like fact, not speculation. I doubt he really cared about the patches at all, especially since he was into whatever nutritional program NK was into. Imo

 

[MsBetsy]

I genuinely don’t understand the point of this discussion.

None of the killers that we compare him to, needed drugs in order to kill their families.

His behavior absolutely doesn’t appear to be drug induced, nor influenced by drugs.

There is no actual evidence to support it either. Speculation is not evidence.

Even if he was doing drugs, it would make him no less culpable.

So I don’t get it.

Yes, the only "behavior" that seemed to be different is that he was staying up late and going out later. It's normal to do that at the beginning of a relationship. Looking back, in every relationship I've had I can remember staying up late and talking, listening to music, hanging out (you get the idea) until all hours of the morning. Then I would complain to my friends how exhausted I was when I got up to go to work. Even when you know you should leave and go home and get some sleep, it's like a drug. You don't want to be away from that person.
To me that's what was going on with Watts. I don't think he needed any drugs to behave the way he did. It was as if she was his first love in high school. Which we know he never actually had.

 

[Karinna]

So I guess it just boils down to she was panicking and she's not very smart? She thought she could hide the truth from the FBI and make herself look a little better and that lie about what she knew and when she knew it would not matter? Fortunately for NK they were not interested in go after her for lying about those things. Unfortunately for her, those attempts to CYA ended up putting a cloud of suspicion over her in the public's mind. It did the opposite of what she wanted to achieve. Because people who are innocent of murder don't usually lie about their connection and interactions with the person suspected of murder. I don't think she had anything to do with the murders but it really looks bad and is confusing to me why she would lie at that point. JMO.

Most normal people would co operate with LE in a murder investigation. But NK is possibly a pathological liar anyway, and her and the truth are strangers. It is probably how she has got through in her life. A deceptive person and there are plenty of them out there, and i think she is one of those type of people, IMO.

 

[Gardener1850]

Oh, so we don't even know that he was doubling up on the patches? I thought the way it has been talked about it sounded like fact, not speculation. I doubt he really cared about the patches at all, especially since he was into whatever nutritional program NK was into. Imo

Yeah, I don't think the patches did much of anything for CW. He did extra exercising and ate a low carb/high protein diet along with using the LeVel patches, pills and shakes. As far as I can tell, he wasn't wearing any patches when he was arrested, nor in his porch interviews, nor when he took off his shirt for photographs at the police station. As soon as SW was gone so were the patches IMO. The "doubling up" talk comes from speculation that the patches might have made CW "crazy" or something and possibly from one of NK's interviews where she said he always had two patches on. LeVel dft patches have nothing more than caffeine and vitamins in them. The ingredients are listed here: Thrive DUO BURN Review (UPDATE: 2018) | 9 Things You Need to Know
Thrive patches didn't cause CW to murder his family.

ETA: here is the picture of when CW started using Burn Duo patches in June: Shanann Watts
You can only see one patch in the photo but it is the type/shape shown in the promo videos for Duo where it is split in the middle. He would have had an identical one on the other arm that we can't see. He wasn't doubling patches, he was using them as directed IMO.

 

[nwmouse]

I genuinely don’t understand the point of this discussion.

None of the killers that we compare him to, needed drugs in order to kill their families.

His behavior absolutely doesn’t appear to be drug induced, nor influenced by drugs.

There is no actual evidence to support it either. Speculation is not evidence.

Even if he was doing drugs, it would make him no less culpable.

So I don’t get it.

I don't get it either.

Guess I'm getting old...less tolerable by today's standards.

There are no excuses for this monster's behavior, not matter how hard those who attempt to excuse his behavior try. If it was my daughter-in-law and grandchildren who were slaughtered I certainly would not try to make my son's behavior more acceptable by blaming it on drugs, sex or other women. He's a killer. Cold and simple.

Worse would be strangers trying to justify his aberrance.

Free speech is awesome, but bashing victims is not okay IMHO.

Moo. Edited for spelling.