GUILTY CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *CW LWOP* #66

[Gardener1850]

I don't remember who said it. I just can't imagine him saying, "We even saw you sucking your thumb, or "I can't wait until we get to hold you!" It just doesn't jive with anything he has said. After listening to him talk for hours everything is either literal or something he heard before. He has no imagination. Its just my opinion that those words did not come from him.

I agree, he rarely has an original thought.

 

[MyBelle]

I think he stopped caring about her because he was in love with someone else and had already made up his mind that he was done with them. I don't think the nut incident would have changed anything. Imo

Maybe you missed the DA's press conference?

At the 23:43 mark:
"...He found a new love interest; and for whatever reason, in his mind, divorce wasn't an option. I can't speak as to why anyone would take the steps that he did but during the course of our investigation, other than the normal stressors of the financial stress that I think most of us have, the occasional marital stress, we couldn't find anything else that was a significant enough motive to annihilate your family in the manner that he did..."

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"And for whatever reason" means the DA doesn't know nor does he care because his job is finished. But men find new love interests all the time and it doesn't result in extreme domestic violence and the annihilation of their families.

"Normal" people don't murder. Prisons and death row are not filled with "normal" people. JMO

 

[Pasasana]

I seem to be getting alerts to posts that are responding to MyBelle.
Weird.

 

[Ilovemy3boys]

"And for whatever reason" means the DA doesn't know nor does he care because his job is finished. But men find new love interests all the time and it doesn't result in extreme domestic violence and the annihilation of their families.

"Normal" people don't murder. Prisons and death row are not filled with "normal" people. JMO

You’re right. A FA is not normal, just plain evil. There. Fixed it for you

 

[MassGuy]

"And for whatever reason" means the DA doesn't know nor does he care because his job is finished. But men find new love interests all the time and it doesn't result in extreme domestic violence and the annihilation of their families.

"Normal" people don't murder. Prisons and death row are not filled with "normal" people. JMO

No. He is absolutely an aberration, that’s true.

Likewise, millions of people are effected by drugs, alcohol, and mental illness. They do not kill their entire families either.

He is the way he is for a reason, but we’re not going to be able to guess our way to what it is.

 

[MsBetsy]

This case is one of the most heinous acts of domestic violence I've ever heard about. CW has admitted guilt. SW's family are searching for explanations for CW's sudden turn to extreme violence. So am I. JMO

I don't think there was extreme violence. He killed them in a deliberate, methodical way. If you think of all the ways to kill someone, it is one of the least violent.
When he suggested all the ways to make someone disappear, he said you can stab someone, you can hit them with an object, you can shoot someone. He mentioned all the more aggressive ways and completely left out strangulation. In his mind it probably wasn't a violent murder at all. Sudden, extreme violence indicates loss of control or rage. He planned to kill them, so it wasn't really sudden at all. And it was done in a controlled manner, which actually is not unusual for him. Imo

 

[Larry Levine]

My latest CNN Headline News appearance regarding the Chris Watts case.

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[Bothsides]

CW’s text messages indicate that a friend and his family were going to stay with the Watts coming up. I wonder what CW was going to tell the friend after Shannan and girls went “missing”?

I was thinking when SW popped back up in the GC with her friends saying he wants to move go Brighton
Had that been a Watts, the response would ha e been WTF ABOUT ME MOVING THERE!? But her friend ignored that.


Great friend example 586,624.


I quoted something else but don't see it. I believe it was re CW only caring about what ppl think.
I'm finally watching one of his early police interviews. The det asked reason why he should believe he didn't do it.. he went on and on and ON ABOUT what people would say about him and how nice and easy going he is.


Not a word about because I love my family.

 

[Jsizzle]

Yeah, we saw panic when he was reviewing those surveillance videos at his neighbor’s house.

I get a lot of satisfaction out of that.

I never saw that video. Where can I find it?

 

[MassGuy]

I don't think there was extreme violence. He killed them in a deliberate, methodical way. If you think of all the ways to kill someone, it is one of the least violent.
When he suggested all the ways to make someone disappear, he said you can stab someone, you can hit them with an object, you can shoot someone. He mentioned all the more aggressive ways and completely left out strangulation. In his mind it probably wasn't a violent murder at all. Sudden, extreme violence indicates loss of control or rage. He planned to kill them, so it wasn't really sudden at all. And it was done in a controlled manner. Imo

True. When Bradford Bishop killed his family and disappeared into thin air, he used a hammer to kill them.

He did plan his crime carefully though, and will forever get away with it.

His crime was more violent, but still wasn’t a sudden act of rage.

Both men did what they planned to do, and we will never understand the reasons why.

 

[MyBelle]

How much have you read about Family Anhilators? We have around 40 pages now, at least, discussing their lack of previous violence, their motivation, etc. Dozens of links have been provided with information offering explanations. I haven't seen you on the forum since CW asked for the plea deal so it is possible you missed out on these discussions.

I would be open to discussing the possibility of drug use IF there were any indication whatsoever that he was under the influence. Since there isn't, though, I don't see the relevance.

Family Annihilators is simply a media label to lump cases together and I refuse to do that because each one is unique and has its own dynamics. It is no different that acts of mass murder. They don't fit into some neat and tidy category.

I don't buy the explanation that CW found a new love interest and neither did the DA because he admitted there had to be other reasons. JMO

 

[Seenit]

BBM. Not to get too hung up on verbiage, but saying "he had a new LOVE interest" implies he has real emotions. This wasn't "love", it was lust...or as those that study malignant narcissism say, it's kibble. Just a new source of getting what the narcissist wants. In my option, CW has never experienced what love is. He just sucks the life out of whatever person is available.

 

[MassGuy]

I never saw that video. Where can I find it?

Right here.

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[MsBetsy]

"And for whatever reason" means the DA doesn't know nor does he care because his job is finished. But men find new love interests all the time and it doesn't result in extreme domestic violence and the annihilation of their families.

"Normal" people don't murder. Prisons and death row are not filled with "normal" people. JMO

Right. Normal people don't usually get rid of their families because they don't want to deal with getting a divorce or even telling their wife they want a divorce. It was just easier in his mind.
The DA made it pretty clear that his desire for a new life with a new woman was a big part of the motive. But I did not get the impression at all that he doesn't care. Far from it. I think he cared very much about this case and for the family. Imo

 

[MyBelle]

BBM. Not to get too hung up on verbiage, but saying "he had a new LOVE interest" implies he has real emotions. This wasn't "love", it was lust...or as those that study malignant narcissism say, it's kibble. Just a new source of getting what the narcissist wants. In my option, CW has never experienced what love is. He just sucks the life out of whatever person is available.

Well said! I think it obvious CW is incapable of empathy.

 

[MassGuy]

Family Annihilators is simply a media label to lump cases together and I refuse to do that because each one is unique and has its own dynamics. It is no different that acts of mass murder. They don't fit into some neat and tidy category.

I don't buy the explanation that CW found a new love interest and neither did the DA because he admitted there had to be other reasons. JMO

False. “Family Annihilators” or people who commit “familicide,” are people who kill immediate family members in quick succession.

There is an accepted definition to this type of thing, and it has nothing to do with “media labels.”

It has been studied by legal and medical experts, and many of these crimes contain similar dynamics.

It’s precisely the reason that @gitana1 was able to describe what his family would be like, before we had ever heard a word from them.

These people are different, but the same.

 

[Bothsides]

He and his actions told us. Addiction is just that.

BBM. Not to get too hung up on verbiage, but saying "he had a new LOVE interest" implies he has real emotions. This wasn't "love", it was lust...or as those that study malignant narcissism say, it's kibble. Just a new source of getting what the narcissist wants. In my option, CW has never experienced what love is. He just sucks the life out of whatever person is available.

 

[PommyMommy]

"And for whatever reason" means the DA doesn't know nor does he care because his job is finished. But men find new love interests all the time and it doesn't result in extreme domestic violence and the annihilation of their families.

"Normal" people don't murder. Prisons and death row are not filled with "normal" people. JMO

Respectfully, District Attorney Michael Rourke demonstrated 0ver and over throughout this case how much he cares. He flew to NC to talk to Shanann's family because he felt the conversation warranted a face-to-face.

Of course Inmate Watts isn't "normal." With exception of the fangirls, most of the world knows he's not normal. MOO

 

[MyBelle]

Right. Normal people don't usually get rid of their families because they don't want to deal with getting a divorce or even telling their wife they want a divorce. It was just easier in his mind.
The DA made it pretty clear that his desire for a new life with a new woman was a big part of the motive. But I did not get the impression at all that he doesn't care. Far from it. I think he cared very much about this case and for the family. Imo

If CW "cared" about his children, he wouldn't have murdered them. He is incapable of empathy. JMO

 

[opalonyx]

Family Annihilators is simply a media label to lump cases together and I refuse to do that because each one is unique and has its own dynamics. It is no different that acts of mass murder. They don't fit into some neat and tidy category.

I don't buy the explanation that CW found a new love interest and neither did the DA because he admitted there had to be other reasons. JMO

"Family annihilator" is a term for a profile created by the FBI.

Pike County massacre: Some killers are 'family annihilators,' former FBI agent says