GUILTY CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *CW LWOP* #68

[PommyMommy]

I think we'll all see that he himself chose these 3 specific individuals within FBI, CBI, and Frederick PD. It may even have been a prerequisite to his releasing of further details of how he murdered them all, based on the decency they showed him earlier. Although he is a . But I digress.

I think you are making a mountain out of a molehill. I don't see any particular red flag that the same 3 agencies, indeed the same 3 individuals he had extensive contact with, were sent.

No red flags here, either. Who should they send? People who have never heard of him? That would be stupid.

Of course they're going to send the investigators who are familar with him and have questioned him before. And, I think you could be spot on that CW requested those particular individuals - they took care of business but treated him fairly. (And then probably went home and took several showers.)

MOO

 

[Colorfuel]

More than we once thought. They say there are only 1% psychopaths, but I disagree I think the number is much higher.

The number of people who do not release hormones that relate to increased empathy in the studies on storytelling done by Paul Zak is about 5 percent.

In a Ted Talk, he said, iirc, “We call them ... bastards.”

I don’t think that 5 percent are all psychopaths, but I bet they constitute the pool from which the full-fledged psychopaths emerge.
https://greatergood.berkeley.edu/article/item/how_stories_change_brain

 

[PommyMommy]

That isn't what was reported, although I no longer have the link, so I will say IIRC. The defense initiated the plea deal shortly after they received access to the autopsy reports, the DA accepts or does not accept plea deals. You make it sound like the DA shoved a plea deal down poor CW's throat. Practically everyone in the world was surprised when he decided to come clean and confess to all the murders. Not because they thought he was innocent, rather that it was so soon. That was his prerogative, don't blame the DA.

Death penalty expert: Weld County DA made right choice in Chris Watts case
Rourke said he flew to North Carolina in October to speak with Shanann Watts' family after the defense approached him with a plea deal. Rourke said at the conference he was willing to negotiate the removal of the death penalty, but he would not drop any of the charges lodged against Watts.

DA discusses what comes next for Watts, families
Watts’ attorneys approached prosecutors first about the plea deal and that he did not accept until after speaking with Shanann’s family, the Rzuceks, in North Carolina beforehand.

 

[ab01]

No red flags here, either. Who should they send? People who have never heard of him? That would be stupid.

Of course they're going to send the investigators who are familar with him and have questioned him before. And, I think you could be spot on that CW requested those particular individuals - they took care of business but treated him fairly. (And then probably went home and took several showers.)

MOO

Heck I had to take a shower after watching the first interview and I wasn’t even there...

 

[x_files]

The number of people who do not release hormones that relate to increased empathy in the studies on storytelling done by Paul Zak is about 5 percent.

In a Ted Talk, he said, iirc, “We call them ... bastards.”

I don’t think that 5 percent are all psychopaths, but I bet they constitute the pool from which the full-fledged psychopaths emerge.

true.
5% is worrisome still! Empathy needs to be taught to children at a very young age, and throughout their life.

 

[Heaven Leigh]

One thing is true all the agencies seemed to treat CW with respect. It has to be mentally draining to do. Can you imagine having to sit with these type of monsters and be hearing the BS ??!! ugh.
They dealt with the lowest of the low with CW.
I do hope we hear the how and whys we all have wondered. Probably wont be shocking as we have had so many on point theories ..Its bound to be a combination of what we have all thought.
Maybe this can bring closure for Shannan's family so hopefully they can end their wondering and have answers.

 

[MsBetsy]

No trial took place in this case which is why those cases aren't relevant to me. CW's plea resulted in him being held accountable. Confessing what CW insists is the truth now isn't going to change his sentence nor improve his stay at a prison in another state.

The DA has already publicly stated he won't believe whatever CW says. It certainly should not require three agencies to send officers when one could have handled it.

JMO

That's not what I meant.
It's not uncommon for convicted murderers to later confess to their full involvement in a crime, whether a trial or plea deal took place or not.
The three investigators may be those who were directly involved with him, who may be invested in the case. Maybe he trusted them and they felt he would be more likely to talk to them. Imo

 

[ab01]

That's not what I meant.
It's not uncommon for convicted murderers to later confess to their full involvement in a crime, whether a trial or plea deal took place or not.
The three investigators may be those who were directly involved with him, who may be invested in the case. Maybe he trusted them and they felt he would be more likely to talk to them. Imo

I think most of us knew what you meant!....no worries

 

[bonjoviblonde]

Some people, including CW's family, have always treated this like a game. CW vs SW. A game instead of a murderer/victim. They are mad their side "lost". JMO. CW could confess a million times over with details only the killer would know. There could be video footage of all 3 murders and some will still never concede that CW did this because they can't have SW "winning". This poor woman is dead. Murdered by a man she loved who also killed their children. I've never seen anything like it. Bending themselves into a pretzel for him not to be guilty is right. It would almost be funny if it wasn't so sad and frankly scary. Scary that there are people out there like this. And as far as CW's family go, they care about themselves and their reputation more than they care about him. That's why they don't want him to admit to doing anything. Mama Watts is STILL trying to compete with SW even after she's dead. It's pretty sick.

 

[mtnlites]

That isn't what was reported, although I no longer have the link, so I will say IIRC. The defense initiated the plea deal shortly after they received access to the autopsy reports, the DA accepts or does not accept plea deals. You make it sound like the DA shoved a plea deal down poor CW's throat. Practically everyone in the world was surprised when he decided to come clean and confess to all the murders. Not because they thought he was innocent, rather that it was so soon. That was his prerogative, don't blame the DA.

While I don't believe CW was painting with all the colors in his crayon box, it seems that the people who defend CW are under compensating for his intelligence. As someone else said, this is a man in his 30s. He had a good job-a job that takes at least an average amount of intelligence. To believe some of these theories about him being coerced or bullied by the DA (or his own counsel) one would have to believe that the man was spineless and lacked basic sense and intelligence. And while I wouldn't say that he's a candidate for MENSA, and his actions were certainly stupid, he's not altogether senseless. He was certainly capable of making up his own mind.

 

[gitana1]

Good point, and I’d better shut up soon but will say just a few more things.

In a narcissistic family dynamic, where the kids even when grown function as narcissistic supply to the parents, at least in some cases the parents will inflate and misrepresent their kids’ abilities and deny their faults.

Anyone who’s ever been subjected to this will know how incredibly maddening and actually humiliating it is. Why isn’t the imperfect truth good enough? Why can’t the kids be loved for who and what they really are?

Chris may have had enough of his dad telling him as often as daily that they “know he didn’t kill the girls.”



I don’t know as much as many of you, but I’ve read enough about certain types of crime to know that agents, psychologists, journalists, and many other people do travel to prisons to get information from convicted criminals.

And sometimes incarcerated criminals will want to speak to specific LE agents they already formed a degree of trust with. Yes, the agents involved here got him to confess, but that doesn’t mean he sees them as his enemies. They had to connect with him to get the information they did, and the main emotional read I got from them was that they were sad, as the whole thing was a waste of so many lives. “It didn’t have to be this way, it shouldn’t have been” is how they came across.

All IMO of course.

Please don't shut up. I wish you'd post more often.

 

[ab01]

Ok off topic so feel free to scroll and roll:

But I admit I haven't been following since CW guilty plea.

Just watching the video With CW reviewing the neighbors surveillance video, The video of CW putting his hands behind his head while watching are almost like a ohh crap, just cuff me now type of moment.....

ETA how fortunate that the neighbor had such a good security camera

 

[MassGuy]

I'd appreciate not being compared to a shepherd who replaces my pet with a pack of wolves. Thanks.

From the video I saw, CW trusted his interrogators. They had absolutely nothing to do with negotiating his plea. That was the DA's job.

JMO

The analogy had nothing to do with you, and everything to do with the investigators and Chris Watts.

How you twisted what @Colorado303 had to say into an insult, is quite impressive.

 

[ab01]

Ok off topic so feel free to scroll and roll:

But I admit I haven't been following since CW guilty plea.

Just watching the video With CW reviewing the neighbors surveillance video, The video of CW putting his hands behind his head while watching are almost like a ohh crap, just cuff me now type of moment.....

ETA how fortunate that the neighbor had such a good security camera

Reply to add: boy that neighbor was onto him right from the get go...

 

[Colorfuel]

true.
5% is worrisome still! Empathy needs to be taught to children at a very young age, and throughout their life.

Yes! I think 5 percent is a lot. These are all people essentially unmoved by, for example, a heartwrenching story of a little boy fighting cancer. What happens if that 5 percent make their way into positions of power and influence? Oh, wait ...

 

[Colorado303]

The analogy had nothing to do with you, and everything to do with the investigators and Chris Watts.

How you twisted what @Colorado303 had to say into an insult, is quite impressive.

Thank’s M Guy. I didn’t have the strength or composure myself.

 

[mtnlites]

Thank’s M Guy. I didn’t have the strength or composure myself.

We are lucky to have you on here. Sometimes people need to step back and remember that SW and the babies were real people and that real people love and miss them. This isn't a Netflix murder-mystery series or an episode of SVU. Words matter. I honestly don't know how you've held your composure this long.

 

[gitana1]

Coerced, Are you serious? I'm going to assume you are merely joking based on all the evidence that has been presented on this case. I don't know how else to take it....MOO

It is incrediblt ridiculous. Not once in the history of the US have investigators gone to meet with a convict because they had their own concerns that his plea was coerced.

I.will.eat.my.hat.

 

[gitana1]

Yeah just like the last big bombshell CW's family, friends, and supporters were all excited and casually bragging about and it turned out to be CW confessing guilty to all 3 murders. Whoops!

Oh that was fun. Like the cat who ate the canary. But the canary turned out to be crow.

 

[Colorfuel]

Please don't shut up. I wish you'd post more often.

Thank you so much. These cases can be upsetting, so I try to be mindful of how much I engage with the information. I also don’t want to say the wrong thing. I’m married to a lawyer and am very aware of how much I don’t know about law.