GUILTY CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *CW LWOP* #68

[margarita25]

Yah unfortunately I feel like there will still be some kind of spin. People like him never reveal the entirety of there misdeeds unfortunately!

Oh my goodness you just made me think of something! I hope he doesn’t turn into a Van Der Sloot—remember all the times VDS would surface with more lies?

(Still behind here in the thread, catching up )

 

[Colorfuel]

Yah unfortunately I feel like there will still be some kind of spin. People like him never reveal the entirety of there misdeeds unfortunately!

I’m concerned about that, too. Knowing that the information will be framed in a report and that the interviewers are really skillful helps me think this will be on balance a positive development.

 

[mtnlites]

Yah unfortunately I feel like there will still be some kind of spin. People like him never reveal the entirety of there misdeeds unfortunately!

And there are some who will just continue to cast blame on others no matter what CW says. If could give a detailed report of everything he did and some people will still say, "He might have killed them but SW drove him to it." Those are not people who can be reached. Luckily, they're the minority.

 

[Best of What's Around]

Thank you for saying that. Honest answer is
1) SW was possibly the most encouraging, universally accepting, least judgmental person I’ve ever met. Ever. She was special. She genuinely appreciated everyone she met for who they were. Which makes it all the more distressing to see total strangers question her character. I’ve said it before, but she would never in a million years do that to someone and she’s not even here to defend herself. I can’t change what happened to her and her babies but I can damn sure try to do something so people understand the kind of person she really was. As much as the comments made bother me, they are way more heartbreaking to her family. They are good, generous and kind people and what little I can do to ease their pain is worth doing.

2). There are amazing people I’ve “met” here who care about truth and fairness, give me strength, let me vent, make me laugh so no matter how bad it gets I know I’m not alone in the fight. Comments like yours help more than you know.

I know I am not the first, but I just want to say THANK YOU for reminding us all what a wonderful person SW was and how she clearly touched the lives of so many. You are such a good friend. And it amazed me throughout this case just HOW MANY people were GOOD, DEAR friends of SW - who worried for her, who loved her, who stood up for this amazing woman. It is a testament to who she must have been. She was a strong, caring, loving, fun, kind woman who obviously cared deeply about raising strong girls who would believe in themselves and grow up knowing they were loved. I personaly loved reading what many of their tshirts said in the photos she posted. Thank you again for being such a good friend when it is undoubtedly difficult to do so and also reminding us that this is not a tv drama series we are discussing. Our hearts go out to you and her family.

 

[molly1255]

Thank you for saying that. Honest answer is
1) SW was possibly the most encouraging, universally accepting, least judgmental person I’ve ever met. Ever. She was special. She genuinely appreciated everyone she met for who they were. Which makes it all the more distressing to see total strangers question her character. I’ve said it before, but she would never in a million years do that to someone and she’s not even here to defend herself. I can’t change what happened to her and her babies but I can damn sure try to do something so people understand the kind of person she really was. As much as the comments made bother me, they are way more heartbreaking to her family. They are good, generous and kind people and what little I can do to ease their pain is worth doing.

2). There are amazing people I’ve “met” here who care about truth and fairness, give me strength, let me vent, make me laugh so no matter how bad it gets I know I’m not alone in the fight. Comments like yours help more than you know.

Bless your heart, Colorado. As a member of the human race, I've been absolutely horrified by some of the things I've seen on the Internet and social media.

I don't think I could have kept my cool if this happened to someone I loved. I give you a lot of credit for maintaining your dignity and for being a loyal friend to Shanann.

The truth is right in front of these people, including his admission of guilt. It's really hard for me to understand the mentality and the cruelty involved. It's horrific.

 

[molly1255]

More than we once thought. They say there are only 1% psychopaths, but I disagree I think the number is much higher.

I also think it's much higher. The 1% might account for the ones who have been evaluated due to a crime.

I'm afraid the rest of them walk in our midst and cause incredible damage and pain to others, but they never face criminal charges.

 

[molly1255]

SBM

He could have also just admitted to killing SW and hiding the 3 bodies in the very beginning, too, and saved LE and the taxpayers the cost of a search. But he didn't.

I couldn't agree more!

For CW, I think it is all about supply. He's been sitting in prison for months and the only ones who are probably giving him any kudos are his mom and dad.

He probably decided to offer up some information to the original investigators so he could get some attention and a pat on the head for being a good man. lol.

 

[Colorado303]

I know I am not the first, but I just want to say THANK YOU for reminding us all what a wonderful person SW was and how she clearly touched the lives of so many. You are such a good friend. And it amazed me throughout this case just HOW MANY people were GOOD, DEAR friends of SW - who worried for her, who loved her, who stood up for this amazing woman. It is a testament to who she must have been. She was a strong, caring, loving, fun, kind woman who obviously cared deeply about raising strong girls who would believe in themselves and grow up knowing they were loved. I personaly loved reading what many of their tshirts said in the photos she posted. Thank you again for being such a good friend when it is undoubtedly difficult to do so and also reminding us that this is not a tv drama series we are discussing. Our hearts go out to you and her family.

Thank you.

 

[Colorado303]

Bless your heart, Colorado. As a member of the human race, I've been absolutely horrified by some of the things I've seen on the Internet and social media.

I don't think I could have kept my cool if this happened to someone I loved. I give you a lot of credit for maintaining your dignity and for being a loyal friend to Shanann.

The truth is right in front of these people, including his admission of guilt. It's really hard for me to understand the mentality and the cruelty involved. It's horrific.

The only way I can wrap my head around the mentality is likening it to mean girls gathered at a Jr High lunch table. Building themselves up by putting others down and basking in their sense of belonging. It’s heady stuff for people with no real life.

 

[Colorado303]

I couldn't agree more!

For CW, I think it is all about supply. He's been sitting in prison for months and the only ones who are probably giving him any kudos are his mom and dad.

He probably decided to offer up some information to the original investigators so he could get some attention and a pat on the head for being a good man. lol.

I also think in his new world order, spending 5 hours out of his cell talking to people about himself is a real treat.

 

[molly1255]

The only way I can wrap my head around the mentality is likening it to mean girls gathered at a Jr High lunch table. Building themselves up by putting others down and basking in their sense of belonging. It’s heady stuff for people with no real life.

Agree and anyone here who is a female knows exactly just how envious and nasty junior high school girls can be toward the beautiful girl who has everything going for her.

JMO, the only difference here is this is more stealth as they are hiding behind their computers as they do it and Shanann can't defend herself. It's pathetic.

 

[jayjay54]

Every time

Thank you for joining the whack-a-mole team. If there are enough of us maybe the moles will just stay underground. They should be happier there where they never have to risk seeing that pesky light...

Every time these haters post another cruel post, it says SO much more about them than it can ever say about Shanann.

 

[mrjitty]

At a certain point some aren't going to be convinced. Back then people were screaming that his defense was corrupt and coerced him to take the deal.

It's amazing how prevalent these sorts of conspiracies are. Almost every case I have followed asserts some strange conspiracy from a power mad Prosecutor backed by corrupt cops who want to railroad the defendant because reasons.

I mean I get that dodgy cops do railroad unsophisticated defendants and why the defence argues it (what else do they have)

But why do people buy into these ideas so readily without any evidence?

 

[Colorado303]

Every time

Every time these haters post another cruel post, it says SO much more about them than it can ever say about Shanann.

So true!

 

[Yellow Rose]

Thank you for saying that. Honest answer is
1) SW was possibly the most encouraging, universally accepting, least judgmental person I’ve ever met. Ever. She was special. She genuinely appreciated everyone she met for who they were. Which makes it all the more distressing to see total strangers question her character. I’ve said it before, but she would never in a million years do that to someone and she’s not even here to defend herself. I can’t change what happened to her and her babies but I can damn sure try to do something so people understand the kind of person she really was. As much as the comments made bother me, they are way more heartbreaking to her family. They are good, generous and kind people and what little I can do to ease their pain is worth doing.

2). There are amazing people I’ve “met” here who care about truth and fairness, give me strength, let me vent, make me laugh so no matter how bad it gets I know I’m not alone in the fight. Comments like yours help more than you know.

Thank you for always being there for SW. I simply can’t deal with social media and it’s treatment of her. I honestly abstain from even looking at it anymore. It’s revolting.

 

[Tigerlily75]

Every time these haters post another cruel post, it says SO much more about them than it can ever say about Shanann.

Exactly.

 

[Thepoet]

You said that the DA had stated he didn't care what CW had to say so what changed?

The DA and the FBI/CBI are separate agencies. So if the DA wasn't involved in the decision to re-interview CW, what would his statements matter?

I was making a point that CW lies and cannot be believed! You stated the same in a recent post wherein you also stated you were done with CW and NK.

 

[Thepoet]

I want for CW to tell the truth, the whole truth, without any aggrandizement or self-serving purpose. I believe wholeheartedly that the families deserve all of the closure that is possible. I hope that is what the interview was about.

But, if this was just about CW purging himself, why was everything kept secret until a media outlet filed a CORA request? We would not have known about the interview, the recordings, etc., if not for the CORA request.

"The CBI says that an audio recording of the interview and a written report would be released next Thursday, March 7 via the Colorado Open Records Act for those who have requested the files." - The Denver Channel

Let me stop for a minute to state a few things;

1. I fully support what LE has done AND is doing in this case. I have never said otherwise. The performance and results have been exemplary and an example of justice working! I did comment that the interviews were paid for by the taxpayer, because another poster intimated there was no special cost to taxpayers. There was, and will continue to be cost to taxpayers, it's the nature of the system. I recognize it, but in this case I'm in full accord with the expense. Well worth the cost!

2. I speculated, when the interview story broke, about a number of possibilities. In regards to NKs involvement, I know she was not involved in the murders. I know that evidence proves this. I do feel that she shares some responsibility for what happened and NK has stated herself, in one interview, that she had some responsibility. I do NOT hate NK, I never have, but as all the facts have come out and her actions and omissions were revealed I've come to find her morally weak, dishonest, distasteful and unpleasant. Beyond that, I have no feelings.

3. There have been some twists in this case that took all of us by surprise and in some ways this case is unique, so questions and speculation are inevitable. I myself speculate and ask questions because I admire and respect the intellect and hard work that is here and I want to hear and consider everything.

Now, back to my first point. Why now? Why like this? And, if this was just getting the truth and full details from CW, why was it initially kept secret? Nine days, until we found out about the interview and another seven days until the release. It's probably just Standard Operating Procedure and March 07th will answer all questions. So, until then. . . . . . . !

BBM MOO

 

[Thepoet]

Thank you.

Colorado303 - God bless you for your great friendship for Shanann and your unwavering support for her and her family through these nightmare times. You're a rare and amazing person. Be well and strong.

 

[Colorfuel]

I was making a point that CW lies and cannot be believed! You stated the same in a recent post wherein you also stated you were done with CW and NK.

I looked back through your recent posts but am not sure I follow the conversation correctly, so here are some thoughts which may not properly relate—apologies if they don’t.

It’s correct that CW is a liar, and as Agent Tammy Lee told him, he’s a bad liar—which is why we are so certain he has lied. Yes, she told him that as part of her interrogation strategy, but it’s also evident to most of the public.

So the interviewers, and we along with them, may be able to sift truth from lies again in this new interview, if he continues to lie.

There’s only a small amount of information missing. The most important, I think, for the public anyway, is the exact timing of the murders, and details about his methods. He could tell this in a tiny amount of time and the “what” aspects would be pretty fleshed out. Any extra details would be great. The interview lasted several hours, so maybe we will learn quite a bit.

The other missing piece is his motive, and his overall reasoning about how he planned the murders, and his reactions along the way, and how he thought he could get away with the crimes. I think if he is going to lie, this area is where he has both the most latitude and may believe he has the most to gain from lying.

After all, only he knows what was going on in his head, and it may be that even if he tells the truth as he knows it, he may have had to work hard to get any meaningful inkling of why he did something so senseless and cruel. He may have tried to cast things in his own thoughts to make himself feel better. And I’m not sure how much insight he has. He also has a small opportunity for reputation management here, although imo the best thing he could do for his reputation is not to try to save face at all—say what he did, say what he does understand about his motivation, and say it was wrong and vicious and his victims were all totally innocent and could never have done anything to deserve this.

I’m also assuming that if this were just a pack of lies, the interviewers might not release it. However, maybe it would have gotten out that they had interviewed him (visitor logs? witnesses?) and the information could have been requested via the FOIA. That’s not my area of expertise at all as I’m not a journalist.

I do know that lies and secrets are difficult for most people to handle. If CW is a complete psychopath, maybe this is not a problem for him. I’ve been quick to conclude that someone who can murder their family, and bury their wife facedown in the dirt, and drop their little girls’ bodies in oil must be psychopathic, because it shows an utterly cold, unaffected psyche I can’t personally fathom.

But maybe there are some dimensions to his mind that have led him to feel some stress about the lies and about holding on to his secrets. Or maybe he just wants attention and knows that being primarily truthful and giving up valuable information is the best way to get that attention, and maybe even more contact in future.

He has only his dad contacting him now, sounds like, which might also put him in a sort of emotionally regressed state in which he’s been a “bad boy” and needs to tell what he did so he can come out of his room. Except he’s never really getting out of that room, but still.

All my own total speculation and opinion above.