GUILTY CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *CW LWOP* #70

[kaykay543]

Another part of the interview that sticks with me was CW saying that NK wanted to give him a son. Because as far as she knew; he didn’t have one. IMO that also goes to motive.

 

[kirkassoc]

I believe she was lying half on her side and front. He straddled her, and there was no way she could defend herself or even scratch him. I don't believe he straddled her while she was face up for 20 minutes. I would have belted him. I don't remember reading that she had bruising on her arms (if he did pin her arms down with this knees). I believe he straddled her from behind. She had NO chance for defense. The wimpy coward.

 

[SaguaroSpirit]

From above:

“What a wonderful family and life this guy would have had. Sexual lust may be more powerful than we know in some people. Powerful enough to take over the love of his own children, commitment, compassion, and reasoning.“

Well said.

I heard a horrible joke years ago that reminds me of this case.
Husband: Wow, look at that gorgeous, sexy woman over there.
Wife: Oh, Honey, would you leave me for her?
Husband: Sweetie, I would KILL you for her.

 

[MemPat]

It was very, very interesting when he stated (near the beginning) that he would not have thought to go with the story that Shanann had strangled the girls and he then strangled Shanann, if the LE officers questioning him hadn't suggested it first. I wondered at the time if their suggestion gave him the idea. Did anyone else pick up on that?

Yes, it seemed obvious they were trying to give him an easy, less self-blaming way to get over the hurdle of pleading guilty to her murder. This seems to be a pretty common tool used by detectives. MOO

 

[SaguaroSpirit]

You are more gracious than I.

I hope God forgives him but I also hope he is miserable every day as he reaps the consequences of his deeds.

House him alone with no human contact ever; then your hope that he isn't attacked will come to fruition. (Please say you're okay with him falling and busting his head occasionally!)

I disagree with you that this could not have been prevented. Chris made many decisions each day to keep himself alive....eating, sleeping, driving carefully, etc. so I don't think life-preserving decisions for his family were so impossible.

MOO

I guess I'm a horrible person because I believe there are some things that are unforgivable and this case is one of them.

 

[kirkassoc]

I guess I'm a horrible person because I believe there are some things that are unforgivable and this case is one of them.

I know where you're coming from. The depravity of this man is so deep, shovels, backhoes and digging through to China couldn't find his bottom.

 

[Best of What's Around]

Yes, it seemed obvious they were trying to give him an easy, less self-blaming way to get over the hurdle of pleading guilty to her murder. This seems to be a pretty common tool used by detectives. MOO

I think at that point their motive was to locate the family by any means possible; but yes, admitting to some guilt is a first step toward a successful later prosecution.

 

[MemPat]

Forgive me as i am just now getting to listen- but part 1 about an hour and 12 minutes in- the le says something about a family man. Cw responds a family man doesn’t do what he or we did. He keeps referring to his self in he or we like 3rd person. It’s driving me crazy!

Using "we" shares the blame. Liars do that a lot.

 

[Seenit]

How do we know Chris didn't trade this interview for the move to the new jail, therefore escaping the inmates who were yelling for him to kill himself?

Interesting idea!

 

[MemPat]

After listening to the interview last night, I believe he's still living in a fantasy world.

Nightly reading Cece's favorite book to the his deceased daughters, Belle and Cece. Really!


Explains to the agents that the convicts in his pod are all in protective custody for informing on other inmates, or being sex offenders. The inmates are aware of his crimes but essentially leave him alone.

He then goes on about eventually being moved into general population and being allowed a job working in the kitchen, starting out by washing dishes, or perhaps in the library.

The potential for him living in such normalcy is what makes me crazy.

 

[Quinquin]

Well I have not finished all the interviews yet but I'm not yet convinced that CW took the girls to the oil site in the truck alive. For one thing, the detective was the first to say "Were they still alive?" and CW says yes so quietly I can't hear (perhaps he was nodding his head?). He starts talking in his halting fake crying soft voice. And partial sentences. I think he didn't have a convincing story planned for why and how he killed the girls. They had to pepper him with leading questions and drag the story out of him. I think he only agreed about the girls being alive after he put SW in the truck because he thought that was what the detectives wanted to hear (they suggested it after all just as they suggested to him SW might have killed the girls first). They offered CW a temporary reprieve from telling when and where and how he murdered the babies and he took it IMHO.

In fact, I've never thought the girls were killed first but so far this interview has stunningly convinced me that they were already dead before SW was strangled to death in her sleep. IMO he has denied every shred of anything that can be remotely construed as planning-- even things that are obvious lies. He lies precisely because he planned this, he thought about it, he dreamed about it and then he did it. Then he had to lie about what happened with the girls because what's more evil than murdering your children because they witnessed you murder mommy? Murdering them before you murder their mommy. In cold blood. With no provocation at all. Because murdering them all was his plan all along. If there is anything that CW has had time to figure out by talking to others in prison and reading the news it's that there is really no good explanation for why he murdered his innocent toddlers. I think that is why he started his fake crying and saying he didn't want to talk about it-- because he knew he would look monstrous no matter what story he told. He can blame SW and say she provoked him all he wants but he knew that wouldn't fly when it came to murdering the children.

I think he was ready to grasp at whatever explanation the detectives gave. 6 months from now they should do another interview and say, "Now Chris we know the girls were dead first." "Will you tell us what really happened?" Just to see what he says. He will probably deny it and sputter another tale out if lead again. If one were to suggest that maybe SW made him angry when she said her flight was delayed and ask if he murdered the girls to get revenge on her (so she will never see them again) he will probably agree to THAT scenario next time. Because I'm convinced CW wants to say whatever will get him out of the hot seat. He will say what he thinks they want to hear him say-- as long as it doesn't involve him admitting to being the inhuman monster everyone knows him to be. As long as it doesn't involve him actually taking the blame for his actions. He blames everyone else for what happened. Things don't happen because of him. Things are always happening to him. And he's just a hapless fool who doesn't know why he would climb on top of his pregnant wife in bed to have a 30 minute conversation (when she supposedly said he was hurting the baby). He just did it. He doesn't know why he couldn't stop strangling her from 2-4 minutes, he just did it. Just a powerless fool. Yeah, right.

MOO.

I agree. In the "confession", he could not articulate when or why the "force" came over him. They were asking him what it was that was said or done that set him off and made him "lose it." They wanted to know exactly when that moment was. He offered nothing even close to what they wanted. In your scenario, the babies were already gone when Shanaan got home from the airport. The "force" that was making him "do it" was the fact that the murders were already set in motion and it was too late to stop himself now. He "had" to murder her. If he premeditated these cruel and evil acts then there was no "aha" moment.

 

[Steelhead]

I wish they had asked him about the backpacks at this latest interview. Also, IF they had sex the night before, her autopsy would have shown that. I don't remember hearing or ready about those type of results (evidence of intercourse). Does anyone know?

I don't remember anything in the autopsy and I think they would have noted that. I actually think he's lying about them having sex that morning. I'm still theorizing on why, but I don't think they did.

On that note, I also thought it was strange that he said he was straddling her, FACE UP, for 15-20 minutes. But then when describing strangling her, he says he "doesn't want to know what SW saw when she looked BACK at him."

Riddle me this: How can she look BACK at him if she was FACE UP?

 

[Seenit]

How do we know Chris didn't trade this interview for the move to the new jail, therefore escaping the inmates who were yelling for him to kill himself?

Interesting idea!

 

[MemPat]

I guess I'm a horrible person because I believe there are some things that are unforgivable and this case is one of them.

Self-deleted. TOS

 

[margarita25]

Delete

 

[DaisyKenny]

Failed to mention the letter he wrote a week prior to the murders above...which even the defense did not want to touch because they said it sounded like premeditation. He expressly says he would never hurt his kids!

Yes, the letter dated 8/06/18 "If anyone gets this letter, I would never do anything to hurt myself, my children or my wife. If anything happens to me, please investigate my wife."
Sorry I'm only an hour in. Does anyone know if they asked him about that letter?

 

[Best of What's Around]

Yes, the letter dated 8/06/18 "If anyone gets this letter, I would never do anything to hurt myself, my children or my wife. If anything happens to me, please investigate my wife."
Sorry I'm only an hour in. Does anyone know if they asked him about that letter?

They did not ask him about that letter; they also did not ask about the backpacks, his statement by text to SW that he would attend Bella’s first day back that morning, the doll photo, nor the wildflowers photo we assume was for NK later that morning at another part of the ranch.

 

[ab01]

Sure, but that would mean that this was a spontaneous crime of passion.

I think the evidence indicates that this was premeditated.

Premeditation!!......Premeditation!!.....louder for those in the back Premeditation!!

 

[Gardenista]

In Christianity there is no sin that is unforgivable by God but there are consequences this side of eternity.

Chris should and will face them.

I'm Catholic and I'm pretty sure there are unforgivable sins.

 

[Gardenista]

Yes, the letter dated 8/06/18 "If anyone gets this letter, I would never do anything to hurt myself, my children or my wife. If anything happens to me, please investigate my wife."
Sorry I'm only an hour in. Does anyone know if they asked him about that letter?

they did not