GUILTY CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *CW LWOP* #70

[Pi Thoughts]

Perhaps NK misinterpreted CW saying, "they smell" as "they smell bad." Were the sheets dirty? Maybe they simply smelled like his daughters which was unsettling to him.

PDF pg 479, Discovery pg 543:
CHRIS also told NICHOL he had to wash his children’s sheets as “they smell.” NICHOL was suspicious of this comment as CHRIS was so clean she did not know why the kid’s sheets would be dirty.

MOO

I think you’re right. He was chucking the girls in oil, burying Shannan and “washing them” out of his life.
Stupid is as stupid does.

 

[MemPat]

Folks, I don't think you're getting anywhere with your religious discussion and it's outside TOS.
If not careful you may end up suspended from the thread. Just sayin'.

 

[molly1255]

It would be interesting to listen again to his interviews and list all the questions where he starts to obfuscate.

I did listen to the interview again today and he definitely was evasive in answering some questions. It didn't occur to me to make a list, but that's a good idea. A list might prove to be insightful.

What is surprising to me still, is that he didn't sound at all suspicious of Tammy, Coder and the Frederick Police Detective who worked on the case, and I didn't detect any hints that he feels any anger toward them.

JMO

 

[Noreen McGurl]

and so too did the Saducees and Pharisees quote the ten commandments and what was said to them? Please Read ROMANS 14. Straight forward language anyone can understand. If he's Catholic it makes it that much worse because you are making comments about the Sacrament of Confession and the Priest is in place of JESUS...so CW essentially confessed to the LORD you are claiming. AS for me and my house WE shall serve the Lord Our GOD on HIS COMMANDS: To love thy God with all thy heart and soul and to LOVE others as HE has loved us. MY GOD asks me to condemn no man for ONLY GOD truly knows a man's heart. The sty in CW's eye is so much smaller than the whole tree in yours. GOOD DAY!

Good luck, youre right and if you're wrong you will turn a deaf ear anyway, love to you my brother

 

[Noreen McGurl]

Good luck, youre right and if you're wrong you will turn a deaf ear anyway, love to you my brother

Do not want to argue over this horrific nightmare, i do not know what to make of it, no sense..Just horrified that this monster has found Amazing Grace in this great loss, so sad

 

[Gardenista]

I'm wondering if he considered using a hit man at some point. When Tammy was doing his polygraph prep, that is the very first way to kill somebody that came to his mind.

 

[Quinquin]

In a previous post, I wondered if Shanaan's family would have handled the DP issue much differently had they had CW's confession sooner. And on that point, CW rambles on about how his attorneys would've "lied" for him ad nauseam throughout a possible trial. CW also said that he told his attorneys everything that happened. So, my question is, is it out of the realm of possibility that his attorneys would counsel him to withhold the full "confession" until after a plea deal was negotiated ruling out the DP? Or is that ridiculous and totally unethical?

 

[Pi Thoughts]

I'm wondering if he considered using a hit man at some point. When Tammy was doing his polygraph prep, that is the very first way to kill somebody that came to his mind.

He possibly did but he wouldn’t have had access to a bundle of money and where would he look.. I don’t think CW would have the streets smarts for that. He knew he was strong and had the “implanted in his brain” thought to do this so he just did.

 

[MassGuy]

In a previous post, I wondered if Shanaan's family would have handled the DP issue much differently had they had CW's confession sooner. And on that point, CW rambles on about how his attorneys would've "lied" for him ad nauseam throughout a possible trial. CW also said that he told his attorneys everything that happened. So, my question is, is it out of the realm of possibility that his attorneys would counsel him to withhold the full "confession" until after a plea deal was negotiated ruling out the DP? Or is that ridiculous and totally unethical?

Yes, her family said on Dr. Phil, that if they knew then what they know now, they would have supported the death penalty.

His attorneys would have advised him not to say a word, until after the plea deal was struck.

He gave his initial confession, was arrested, and then pleaded guilty.

There would be no additional details provided by him, until any potential allocution at sentencing.

Ultimately, he was not required to give one, nor did he wish to.

 

[book-thinker]

Investigators secretly recorded the Chris Watts interview, describing how he savagely murdered his family, during the early morning hours of Aug. 13 2018.

He was oblivious that investigators recorded the interview. Investigators arrived unannounced, Chris didn't have time to process in his mind what happened that morning, he describes himself as someone else murdering his family.
The investigators knew exactly how to work Chris.

Was Chris believing the investigator's missed him and wanted to 'chew the fat' for five hours!

Chris Watts lacked mental synthesis before and after the murders.

 

[ZsaZsa]

A few threads back it was brought up that Chris said he had to talk NK off the ledge a couple of times
Where I come from this means she was on the verge of suicide. (Jumping off the ledge). I'm from northern Minnesota. Could she have been threatening suicide ?

Just panicking when he was not around, had to leave for home and afraid he would not come back . In this part of the interview he desribes how she "gets upset over nothing"-
phones him obsessively when he is working - 10 times until he answered. (The link to Youtube is not working but if you look at part4 of the interview on YT and at about 23minutes in he starts talking about her).
She was irate when Shanann calls him when she (NK) is in their house!

 

[Quinquin]

Yes, her family said on Dr. Phil, that if they knew then what they know now, they would have supported the death penalty.

His attorneys would have advised him not to say a word, until after the plea deal was struck.

He gave his initial confession, was arrested, and then pleaded guilty.

There would be no additional details provided by him, until any potential allocution at sentencing.

Ultimately, he was not required to give one, nor did he wish to.

But can his attorneys purposefully withhold information like that? Meaning the counsel would KNOW that Shanaan's family would in no way take the DP off the table if they (family) knew the truth. CW implies that he told his attorneys what happened. If he told them what he has just "confessed" to, are his attorneys allowed to "deceive" the family and prosecution by omitting details that would have taken the plea right off the table?

 

[MassGuy]

But can his attorneys purposefully withhold information like that? Meaning the counsel would KNOW that Shanaan's family would in no way take the DP off the table if they (family) knew the truth. CW implies that he told his attorneys what happened. If he told him what he has just "confessed" to, are his attorneys allowed to "deceive" the family and prosecution by omitting details that would have taken the plea right off the table?

His attorneys are under no obligation to share anything he says, with the prosecution.

His attorneys heard his story, and after conferring with their client, approached the prosecution, saying “he’ll plead guilty to all charges, as long as you take the death penalty off the table.”

That’s what happened.

He didn’t have to tell the truth, before the deal.

The deal was simply for him to plead guilty.

 

[ZsaZsa]

I disagree. I think she was always on his mind. After he buried his pregnant wife and dumped his children in an oil tank, he paused to take pictures of wildflowers for NK and to Google the song lyrics of a song she wanted. He also continued to text her and speak to her while there was supposedly a search going on for his "missing" family. I think he was obsessed with NK and she was always there at the edge of his mind.

And still is, IMO. He was feeling them out when he asked if maybe she had written to him in prison under another name, to see if they knew of any attempt at contact.

 

[Noreen McGurl]

I want to apologize. I absolutely cannot stand judgmental things. If those comments on religion were in no way to be judgmental I truly am sorry. Have a wonderful night.
I will, and I stand with this: One of the criminals on the cross that told everyone he was guilty of his crime and deserved his punishment asked to be forgiven from Jesus and Jesus forgave him.

This case is truly horrific and it doesn't make sense. Understood it grieves the hearts of many many people, just as many other nightmarish things happen. Sometimes there just is no good reason for it. Unfortunately in these cases we do see that Evil does exist. (I'm not placing evil on the man here just stating evil in general).

And Noreen? Maybe in this great loss and horrific thing do you think that it is impossible that maybe he was shown by the Spirit what life is all about, even if he's going to live out the rest of his days on earth in Jail? I don't think it is. Nothing is impossible for GOD. NOTHING.

Yes MDMNL You are right, we do not know what power of the Holy Spirit, and Yes we must believe because if we give up on that what do we have and so tonight you have taught me that some things we can't understand or explain but that is why we are human and we believe in the Greater Power of God! Thank you

 

[ZsaZsa]

Chiming in to say that although I sometimes see people express the sentiment that they want someone to get hurt or killed in prison, or to kill themselves, I don't. I think prisons should do their utmost to keep prisoners safe from one another and from themselves. I am not interested in anything more than the amount of justice that has been served, because nothing is going to bring back the people whose lives CW took.

I do not think he is truly remorseful, but he does have a lot of time to think about what happened and experience some kind of regret. Just because someone appears to cry doesn't mean it's real. He literally says he doesn't want to be judged or defined by these murders, which is ridiculously out of touch with basic decency. He has said he will take a long time to forgive himself.

Who could ever forgive themselves for killing their innocent spouse and little kids in cold blood? He makes it sound like a small or medium thing he will eventually get over. Horrible.

Duper's delight is still in evidence IMO.
If NK called or wrote he would be skipping around again. No remorse that I can see, just self pity. In that photo he just has a little smirk that reminds me of Casey Anthony.

 

[Quinquin]

His attorneys are under no obligation to share anything he says, with the prosecution.

His attorneys heard his story, and after conferring with their client, approached the prosecution, saying “he’ll plead guilty to all charges, as long as you take the death penalty off the table.”

That’s what happened.

He didn’t have to tell the truth, before the deal.

The deal was simply for him to plead guilty.

Thank you MassGuy. I guess the R's could've never, ever thought that he was capable of not only bringing physical harm to his family, but also unimaginable emotional torture as well.

 

[MassGuy]

Thank you MassGuy. I guess the R's could've never, ever thought that he was capable of not only bringing physical harm to his family, but also unimaginable emotional torture as well.

No, and for most of us, the truth was so much worse than what we otherwise believed.

The family had no idea that Bella fought for her life, until his sentencing hearing.

Up until this latest confession, they believed that everyone was killed in that house; the girls smothered in their beds.

What he revealed to those CBI agents, was beyond horiffic. Even they were shocked by what he had to say.

No one thought it was this bad.

 

[Charlot123]

Yes and there's no need to take 11 IQ tests unless you're practicing. I've known people to do that.

They might have done it at school in the context of IEP (due to learning or behavioral issues), or he might have been taken to a private neuropsychologist if some form of ADD was considered. Another reason to test IQ could be to see if was fit for a gifted program.

 

[PommyMommy]

They might have done it at school in the context of IEP (due to learning or behavioral issues), or he might have been taken to a private neuropsychologist if some form of ADD was considered. Another reason to test IQ could be to see if was fit for a gifted program.

He told investigators during the 2/18 interview that he was tested at the
Denver Reception & Diagnostic Center and that he was “put through the ringer.”

• He took eleven (11) separate tests to figure out his IQ.
• His IQ was 135 or 140.

(From pg 28 of the written report)