GUILTY CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *CW LWOP* #71

[Nikynoo]

Maybe not popular, but saying it. His mistress did not contribute to or make him annihalate his family in such an horrific unimaginable manner.

Whether she hid on the bottom of a floorboard to enter Shanann's house or scre*ed him at work in the oil fields. Knowing he was married. This is not about her.

This is about a narcissist, sociopathic family annihilator.

He did it. And she didn't make him do it.

This is not about her. I don't think she ever knew or wanted it to end this way.

Do you really think she thought this would happen? Or would have done anything to encourage it? Or wouldn't have stopped it?

Yeah. She's an adulterous. Who never had a damn clue that she was with monster. Let's stop always trying to shift the blame to the woman. God knows we already had to watch that happen here.
jmo

I agree with a lot of your post. It seems to me that for some reason, its easier to blame the female (and I dont just mean NK here either). NK didn't lure CW away. For whatever reason, he wanted to go. It's a misconception that women 'steal' married men - you can't take what doesn't want to be taken.

 

[NuttMegg]

Can you explain about how SW got CW the higher paying job? As far as I can remember, CW was earning far more at the dealership than he was at Anadarko and remember he couldn't continue with that job for health reasons. IIRC when he got home, he was helping SW out by looking after the girls.

Sure, check out the Jeremy Lindstrom interview, I referred to it a few pages back.

 

[NuttMegg]

He earned more at the dealership (in excess of $100,000 according to the bankruptcy documents) than he did an Anadarko.

What was his ending salary at Anadarko? CW was happy that he no longer had to work for commissions. He was at a supervisory position as of late. (See Feb 18 interview released on 7 March). As far as I know, all we ever saw was his entry position pay at Anadarko, do you have other data as to what he made several years later?
And, he referred to SW's home business as making near what he did. He could easily have spent a couple hours a day as a mechanic, supplementing family income while his wife was working so hard. For instance, instead of getting off at 3 pm, he could have got off at 5 pm. My own father worked for decades, getting home at 6 pm, rising at 5 am. With 4 children and a wife who also worked outside the home.

 

[NuttMegg]

and NK has been charged with neither (yet).

Nor did I say, nor insinuate that she has. What do you think the 111 minute phone call to or from NK was all about......only a few hours before the slaughter of the family?

 

[molly1255]

I agree with a lot of your post. It seems to me that for some reason, its easier to blame the female (and I dont just mean NK here either). NK didn't lure CW away. For whatever reason, he wanted to go. It's a misconception that women 'steal' married men - you can't take what doesn't want to be taken.

In this case, there was way more than a misconception by many that Shanann was to blame for CW's actions. Some actually felt she deserved to be murdered.

These people had no problem blaming the female, who was the victim. Some are still doing it.

JMO

 

[molly1255]

What was his ending salary at Anadarko? CW was happy that he no longer had to work for commissions. He was at a supervisory position as of late. (See Feb 18 interview released on 7 March)
And, he referred to SW's home business as making near what he did. He could easily have spent a couple hours a day as a mechanic, supplementing family income while his wife was working so hard. For instance, instead of getting off at 3 pm, he could have got off at 5 pm.

Agree. CW took no initiative to try to bring in extra income. He had a big income drop at the dealership and I've not seen that explained anywhere.

IIRC, around the time of their bankruptcy, Shanann's parents came to live with them in CO to help because Shanann was bedridden for part of her pregnancy with CeCe and Bella was barely a toddler. He could have easily gotten part-time work to try to avoid bankruptcy. I've seen no indication he took that initiative.

Shanann found him the job in the oil fields, according to Jeremy Lindstrom. CW wasn't making it happen and they were going down the toilet financially. Yet, she still loved him and in spite of having babies and lupus, she worked around the clock to make things happen and she was making it happen.

JMO, his income was around $70,000 at Anadarko and my understanding is that Shanann was at the same income level and would have passed him up in short order.

 

[NuttMegg]

Something else to factor in is that he went to an event on July 4th with the Thayers (with NK)

Do you have a link to CW taking NK to an event on the 4th of July along with the Thayers?

 

[Nikynoo]

@NuttMegg
ETA salary for the nearest job spec i could find

 

[Nikynoo]

Do you have a link to CW taking NK to an event on the 4th of July along with the Thayers?

sorry, a typo, he didn't take NK. He met up with the Thayers only. This info is in discovery. (Discovery page 369)

 

[Nikynoo]

What was his ending salary at Anadarko? CW was happy that he no longer had to work for commissions. He was at a supervisory position as of late. (See Feb 18 interview released on 7 March). As far as I know, all we ever saw was his entry position pay at Anadarko, do you have other data as to what he made several years later?
And, he referred to SW's home business as making near what he did. He could easily have spent a couple hours a day as a mechanic, supplementing family income while his wife was working so hard. For instance, instead of getting off at 3 pm, he could have got off at 5 pm. My own father worked for decades, getting home at 6 pm, rising at 5 am. With 4 children and a wife who also worked outside the home.

My understanding from the prison interview is that he had to give up the dealership role because of RSI to his fingers. I don't understand what you mean about comissions though, isn't that for sales roles?

 

[NuttMegg]

My understanding from the prison interview is that he had to give up the dealership role because of RSI to his fingers. I don't understand what you mean about comissions though, isn't that for sales roles?

He referred to how much better it was with Anadarko because he no longer worked for commissions as at the auto dealership. At the dealership I assume he got paid per the work he did, ie how fast he changed the oil = more oil changes per day, something like that. Or how many carburators he adjusted if older cars, or how fast he performed the periodic checklist of what to do to a car under warranty. I don't know what RSI is, I missed that part. Maybe if he had something like carpal tunnel syndrome he couldn't make his quotas.

 

[molly1255]

My understanding from the prison interview is that he had to give up the dealership role because of RSI to his fingers. I don't understand what you mean about comissions though, isn't that for sales roles?

A google search on the internet shows that mechanics (or service techs) can be paid in a variety of ways, including commissions.

 

[pinkie60]

If you google "shanann returning home" on youtube, it's there on various channels. Here's one from CBS MSM.

Wasn't she just so incredibly beautiful with that baby bump? Heartbreaking

 

[pinkie60]

And I hate to say it but it's true a lot of times insecure girls want what other girls have because they have empty lives and they have to fill them with something that they see desirable by somebody they emulate, so when it comes down to it NK wanted to be Shanann because Shanann was loved and adored and smart and beautiful and had everything NK did not have!!

Some get envious and then like to destroy too. Jmo

 

[molly1255]

Here are some dates. Income information is in the attached People.com article.

Frederick, Co home purchased: April 2013
Bella's date of birth: Dec. 17, 2013
Celeste's date of birth: July 17, 2015
Bankruptcy filed: June-July 2015

When the home was purchased in 2013, CW worked at the auto dealership and was making over $100,000 a year, so obviously, he's capable of making that kind of money. What happened? The attached People.com article states their earnings for 2013 were $147,256. Shanann, it appears, was earning around $35,000 a year at Children's Hospital. When they filed Chapter 7 in 2015, their stated income was $40,491 and CW was working for Anadarko. Even if we remove Shanann's income, the huge drop in combined income was the drop in CW's income, JMO.

Shanann and Chris Watts Claimed $448,820 Debt in 2015 Bankruptcy Filing, With Dog as $5 Asset

CW explains his career change was because of carpel tunnel syndrome. Did he have a medical diagnosis? Did he have surgery? Did he file a workers' comp claim to get benefits and a settlement to help support his family? I haven't heard a thing that he did any of that. I think he shut down and used this as an excuse.

JMO, I think CW started to check out after Bella was born. His income was tanking and by the time Shanann was on bed rest during her pregnancy with CeCe, it was time for bankruptcy. Shanann's parents were living with them to help with the house and Bella. He could have easily worked evenings and weekends at a side job. But he didn't.

He murdered his living children with ease, and showed no remorse afterward. He made sure Nico never got a chance to be born. I don't think the guy ever wanted to be a dad and I think that really is why he was so angry at Shanann. I think he went along with having the babies to keep Shanann, and when he grew bored with Shanann and found a quick replacement, he was done with all of them.

All JMO.

 

[molly1255]

He referred to how much better it was with Anadarko because he no longer worked for commissions as at the auto dealership. At the dealership I assume he got paid per the work he did, ie how fast he changed the oil = more oil changes per day, something like that. Or how many carburators he adjusted if older cars, or how fast he performed the periodic checklist of what to do to a car under warranty. I don't know what RSI is, I missed that part. Maybe if he had something like carpal tunnel syndrome he couldn't make his quotas.

If he couldn't make his quotas, he could have filed a workers' compensation claim and received benefits and a settlement. It doesn't appear he took that initiative, either.

If his problem was serious enough, he would have been begging to have release surgery. Been there and done that with both hands and the surgery was very easy and it provided complete relief.

 

[molly1255]

@NuttMegg
ETA salary for the nearest job spec i could find

IIRC, his job title was Operator, not Landman. The duties are very different. CW had an associates degree in an unrelated field and he only had three years of experience at Anadarko. He started out as a Rover.

If his official job title was Operator, his salary at the time he was fired would have been $65,000 to $70,000 per year. If he was a Lease Operator, he was making under $65,000 a year.
Anadarko Petroleum Operator Salaries | Paysa

 

[NuttMegg]

Re Tammy Lee's interview with Luke, CW's boss, (remember when he had to pull off the road to talk to her on the phone on 8-14-18) the following was said, paraphrased. Tammy: We have traced CW's GPS to a place called Kingsbird or Kings borough (sp), where he arrived at 6:53. Boss: yes that would be about 10-15 minutes from the Cervi 3-19 site.

This means that CW arrived at the Cervi site no earlier than 7:03, which would be adding 10 minutes, not 15.

IIRC correctly the earliest of his co-workers arrived at 7:40, I am trying to relocate the source of that, does anyone remember where the time of the earliest of their arrivals was mentioned? It wasn't mentioned in the Boss Luke's interview unless he had a second one. IIRC there were 3 trucks besides CW's, one being Melissa, and the other 2?

 

[PommyMommy]

Re Tammy Lee's interview with Luke, CW's boss, (remember when he had to pull off the road to talk to her on the phone on 8-14-18) the following was said, paraphrased. Tammy: We have traced CW's GPS to a place called Kingsbird or Kings borough (sp), where he arrived at 6:53. Boss: yes that would be about 10-15 minutes from the Cervi 3-19 site.

This means that CW arrived at the Cervi site no earlier than 7:03, which would be adding 10 minutes, not 15.

IIRC correctly the earliest of his co-workers arrived at 7:40, I am trying to relocate the source of that, does anyone remember where the time of the earliest of their arrivals was mentioned? It wasn't mentioned in the Boss Luke's interview unless he had a second one. IIRC there were 3 trucks besides CW's, one being Melissa, and the other 2?

I don't have a source for the 7:40 arrival but if I get some free time, I'll look. This one I had handy:

Pg 308 (Discovery pg 355) – Melissa Parrish FBI interview. Parrish is an operator with Anadarko, employed approx. May 2018. Parrish and McNeill arrive at CERVI 319 8:25 am.

ETA:

PDF pg 296, (Discovery pg 342) McCoy believes he made it to Cervi at approximately 8:30 AM.

 

[NuttMegg]

I don't have a source for the 7:40 arrival but if I get some free time, I'll look. This one I had handy:

Pg 308 (Discovery pg 355) – Melissa Parrish FBI interview. Parrish is an operator with Anadarko, employed approx. May 2018. Parrish and McNeill arrive at CERVI 319 8:25 am.

Then don't go look, Pommy, thanks. If those 2 got there at 8:25, then Troy McCoy got there between 8:30 and 8:40 (per interview I just listened to), those were the 4 entities who were there at Cervi 319. Parrish, McNeill, McCoy, and then CW already there. I don't know how that got into my brain that one of them arrived at 7:40. maybe I got confused with a phone call. CW did call various ppl to find out when they were going to arrive. Then CW had from about 7:05 to 8:20 to do it all, more time than is necessary IMO. One hour and about 15 minutes, including whatever mechanical tasks he performed.

ETA I think I figured it out. Kodi Roberts got to the Cervi state pad 1029, he got there about 7:30 ish. He was waiting for CW to arrive, but CW said he'd be there in awhile, then after more time the others arrived anyway. So, Roberts was there at that 1029 while CW was at Cervi 319 with 3 bodies, or actually killing the girls then depending on which sequence of CW's that can be believed. (meaning did he deal with SW first re taking her out, then murder the girls one by one and carry them individually over to the tanks.) I really don't think he dragged SW's body out of that tight space and left her on the ground or a dirt pile BEFORE he killed the girls.