GUILTY CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *CW LWOP* #71

[AgeofAquaruis]

She was and is a despicable person. She deserved to have to actually live with CW after spending so much time trying to make it happen.

Haha no she should have to live with Cindy.

 

[molly1255]

Haha no she should have to live with Cindy.

LOL - I would pay big bucks to watch the two of them in a room for just one hour!

 

[molly1255]

I always liked the one where she thought it was in bad taste to go into the house of a married guy, her lover, while the real wife was away. Yet she did, at least twice that the cops finally got out of her, she ate at least 1 meal there, rummaged through the upstairs private rooms, commented on the number of books the children had, and never bothered to explain how she was able to come and go from SW's house on one of America's favorite outdoor vacation days...4th of July. I wonder if it pissed her off to have to crouch down on the floor of the lexus so cw could drive into the garage with her.

She rummaged through the basement, too. She commented about the bed being down there, and his workout equipment, and noted how neat and tidy it was. For someone who claimed to be uncomfortable in someone else's space, she certainly made herself right at home.

I imagine it was an extreme indignity for her to have to crouch down on the floor of the car so CW could sneak her into his marital home.

 

[NuttMegg]

She rummaged through the basement, too. She commented about the bed being down there, and his workout equipment, and noted how neat and tidy it was. For someone who claimed to be uncomfortable in someone else's space, she certainly made herself right at home.

I imagine it was an extreme indignity for her to have to crouch down on the floor of the car so CW could sneak her into his marital home.

She mentioned twice in the interview that I (pathetically) listened to again today, that she went to the house twice, once "through the garage". Yeah, you betcha she came in by crouching down on the floor of the car.

 

[Seenit]

She was and is a despicable person. She deserved to have to actually live with CW after spending so much time trying to make it happen.

What sweet justice that would have been.

 

[tmar]

I thought it odd that every one of CW's co-workers knew CW was married. Except NK, who saw him every day. Every one of CW's co-workers knew SW was pregnant. Except NK, of course.

All of CW's co-workers said it was out of the norm for CW to go directly to CERVI the morning of the murders. Except NK, who said it was a little odd, but not too unusual.

NK said she didn't know Shanann's name. How did she google SW if she didn't know her name?

How about when she describes the perrrrrrrrrrrfect apartment she found for CW - in the right area, close to the girls' school...? Huh? Prior to that, in the same interview, she said she didn't know where the girls went to school!

I'm having trouble remembering them all now. MOO

I wonder how NK is now?
Probably brushed all this aside, and onto her next few blokes, for further experiences.
I wouldn't think this person has changed her spots, from the way she presented during the interviews.
Hopefully Karma will come her way in life.
MOO.

 

[pinkie60]

I really don't think she wanted a permanent relationship with him. I think it was a challenge and a game to her

 

[Johnny1181]

I don’t know where I saw or heard this so hope this is not against TOS. Pls remove if it is. But the thing about the letter is that when CW came to NC and after nutgate, and after he told his family that he was done with SW, they (at least his mom and sister) feared for his safety thinking SW might lose it when he tells her if his wish to separate. So they urged him to write the letter. He apparently thought it was silly, but did it anyway. And then his sister kept it. Wish I could remember where I know this from!

I'd for sure like to see a link to MSM that shows anyone feared for CW's safety. Because I've not seen anything anywhere showing where the creep that smothered and strangled his loving family and buried them in oil tanks and dirt ever did anything out of a fear for his safety. Including a letter. jmo

 

[Johnny1181]

SBM.

That letter still perplexes me. Such a stupid and novice letter- “if someone ate a cookie out of the cookie jar it wasn’t me”. Thou doth protest too much.

Anyway, Tammy and Coder didn’t ask him about this letter last month did they? I don’t remember it if they did. I wonder why they didn’t. It is such a strange piece of the puzzle and certainly does show premeditation. They asked about whether it was rage, etc, but never addressed the letter.

I've heard that too, and I don't quibble that he possibly told Ronnie et al about the mistress, but it's a pet peeve of mine when they present that letter as something written because the sister and mother were afraid that SW would get violent and murder her own babies if she heard that CW wanted to leave. That's straight from Kbashvictim land.

IMO there is not one iota of proof, except for his acting like a jerk, being distant, etc, that he ever bothered to tell SW he wanted a separation. As late as Monday he was telling the realtor that he would stop by the house she had potentially found for the FAMILY. Not just for SW. So much of that stuff generated from the EXmrsK sites is designed to lay a basis for SW being Oh so angry that she flew off the handle and murdered her children. Which is exactly where I file the back story from the mother and sister and Ksites about the purpose of the letter, something meant to trash SW.

If anything it gave him justification in his warped putrid mind to kill them all. After all, if sis and Mom suggested that SW would do it, why shouldn't he?

Agreed. And IMO I have not seen a single piece of evidence on MSM or court records to suggest that CW's family felt he was in danger and encouraged him to write a letter to blame her despite speculation. More CW sympathizing and justification. I haven't seen documentation surrounding his family's "concerns" for his life. IMO

 

[Johnny1181]

Maybe not popular, but saying it. His mistress did not contribute to or make him annihalate his family in such an horrific unimaginable manner.

Whether she hid on the bottom of a floorboard to enter Shanann's house or scre*ed him at work in the oil fields. Knowing he was married. This is not about her.

This is about a narcissist, sociopathic family annihilator.

He did it. And she didn't make him do it.

This is not about her. I don't think she ever knew or wanted it to end this way.

Do you really think she thought this would happen? Or would have done anything to encourage it? Or wouldn't have stopped it?

Yeah. She's an adulterous. Who never had a damn clue that she was with monster. Let's stop always trying to shift the blame to the woman. God knows we already had to watch that happen here.
jmo

 

[DaisyKenny]

Maybe not popular, but saying it. His mistress did not contribute to or make him annihalate his family in such an horrific unimaginable manner.

Whether she hid on the bottom of a floorboard to enter Shanann's house or scre*ed him at work in the oil fields. Knowing he was married. This is not about her.

This is about a narcissist, sociopathic family annihilator.

He did it. And she didn't make him do it.

This is not about her. I don't think she ever knew or wanted it to end this way.

Do you really think she thought this would happen? Or would have done anything to encourage it? Or wouldn't have stopped it?

Yeah. She's an adulterous. Who never had a damn clue that she was with monster. Let's stop always trying to shift the blame to the woman. God knows we already had to watch that happen here.
jmo

After listening to the prison interview was the first time I seriously considered NK's possible involvement in the murders. I thought it was strange she was so paranoid that law enforcement might have access to CW's phone almost immediately after his family went missing. After confirming he had the phone, she supposedly told him to delete everything and not contact her until "this is done". CW also mentioned that NK was the one who asked him about the Metallica song "Battery". Of course we have to keep in mind that he lies all the time.

Since then I've watched many of the accomplice theory videos with the neighbor's security camera footage and the speculation about all the phone calls NK made to Jim after talking to CW. I can't link the video here, but if you search "CW if anything happens to me investigate my WIFE" on YT, there is a video that speculates how CW, NK and Jim may have planned to blow up CERVI 319 (after dropping off the Lexus), ultimately destroying the forensic evidence and suing Anadarko for negligence for not fixing a gas leak.

The grainy camera footage doesn't really prove anything. It looks like the same person wearing the same outfit in all the relatively clear frames, IMO. And the conspiracy theory to blow up the site doesn't make any sense because there's no reason for SW to be there with the kids, and it would be too big a coincidence for it to happen right when she was there.

It does bother me too that he's considered either SW's or NK's pawn, instead of the cold-blooded pre-meditated family killer that he is.
MOO

 

[Poedelini]

Maybe not popular, but saying it. His mistress did not contribute to or make him annihalate his family in such an horrific unimaginable manner.

Whether she hid on the bottom of a floorboard to enter Shanann's house or scre*ed him at work in the oil fields. Knowing he was married. This is not about her.

This is about a narcissist, sociopathic family annihilator.

He did it. And she didn't make him do it.

This is not about her. I don't think she ever knew or wanted it to end this way.

Do you really think she thought this would happen? Or would have done anything to encourage it? Or wouldn't have stopped it?

Yeah. She's an adulterous. Who never had a damn clue that she was with monster. Let's stop always trying to shift the blame to the woman. God knows we already had to watch that happen here.
jmo

I heard that he has the dependant personality disorder. So one way or another she has something to do with it. (unconsious or consious, i leave that in the middle right now) He latches on to woman to woman. First his mother, then Shannan and in a short period of time NK. In the time that Shannan was away, he detached from Shannan and onto NK. And then Shannan and the girls didn't fit in his live anymore.

 

[k-mac]

Maybe not popular, but saying it. His mistress did not contribute to or make him annihalate his family in such an horrific unimaginable manner.

Whether she hid on the bottom of a floorboard to enter Shanann's house or scre*ed him at work in the oil fields. Knowing he was married. This is not about her.

This is about a narcissist, sociopathic family annihilator.

He did it. And she didn't make him do it.

This is not about her. I don't think she ever knew or wanted it to end this way.

Do you really think she thought this would happen? Or would have done anything to encourage it? Or wouldn't have stopped it?

Yeah. She's an adulterous. Who never had a damn clue that she was with monster. Let's stop always trying to shift the blame to the woman. God knows we already had to watch that happen here.
jmo

nope
this isn't a blaming "the woman" witchhunt.

this is the object of desire for the murderer and his visual destination.

who no doubt was highly influenced by this person (who coincidently is a woman.....)

this person also walked away scot free ...the murderer didn't.

NK is at the heart of why this happened.
now that's a fact...…
she lied and self protected and has never shown an ounce of empathy for 4 murder victims at the hands of her lover.

there will be no empathy or pass from me. she is not worthy of my understanding.

for me, you are team shanann or team Nicole. you cant be both. (that woman stole shananns husbands heart. that alone is despicable.)
non of this lessons CW of accountability. but hes got his. FOREVER.

adulterious people are sneaky and untrustworthy. some might be uncomfortable with that labelling...but its true.

moo

 

[cakegirl0905]

I wonder how many people believe in the fact that NK was at the house when it all happened. I do. Super curious if she still will be arrested for it.

Why do you think this? I’ve heard some rumblings but I’m curious. I heard that the alarm was tripped in the basement.
Also, of course, her phone pinged in Frederick that morning.

 

[NuttMegg]

Jeremy Lindstrom interview: about 4 minutes in. Shanann got Chris the job with Anadarko, so he quit the car dealership mechanic job.
Maybe everyone knew that, I didn't. Just another example of his being without any spunk or goals in life. Working on commissions in a car dealership for more than 2 years without even trying for the local, lucrative, oil/gas jobs.
Until his wife found him great employment.

 

[WhatDidYouDo]

I think I follow true crime to learn something - at least that's part of it. The takeaway for someone like NK (and the rest of us) should be that adultery could trigger a family annihilation - maybe seek out single guys instead. It doesn't relieve CW of his culpability but you're not innocent when you sleep with a married man either.

 

[mtnlites]

for me, you are team shanann or team Nicole. you cant be both. (that woman stole shananns husbands heart. that alone is despicable.)
non of this lessons CW of accountability. but hes got his. FOREVER.


moo

SBM

I've honestly never seen anyone on here taking sides with one woman or the other. In fact, I've seen very little positive stuff posted about NK at all. The two aren't even comparable: one's alive and one's dead; one was the mistress, the other the wife. Drawing the line like that feels like taking sides in an argument that doesn't exist. Human beings are complicated people. I have MANY issues with NK. I've never met the woman, but I can say with pretty good authority that we would not be friends. I've yet to see any redeemable qualities in her in the things that have been released. I don't like people putting words in my mouth, though. Just because I don't think NK was at the house during the murders, or after, or because I think CW is solely responsible for the murders doesn't mean I am taking NK's "side."

 

[DaisyKenny]

So far I'm not convinced that NK played any role in the murders, but I'm trying to keep an open mind to the various theories out there. Since NK is a proven liar and destroyer of evidence, she doesn't deserve the benefit of the doubt, IMO. Even when NK suspected that foul play was the reason CW's went family missing, she only cared about herself, so she gets no sympathy from me.

ETA. I am very interested in hearing everyone's thoughts about her possible involvement.

 

[mtnlites]

So far I'm not convinced that NK played any role in the murders, but I'm trying to keep an open mind to the various theories out there. Since NK is a proven liar and destroyer of evidence, she doesn't deserve the benefit of the doubt, IMO. Even when NK suspected that foul play was the reason CW's went family missing, she only cared about herself, so she gets no sympathy from me.

ETA. I am very interested in hearing everyone's thoughts about her possible involvement.

I don't think she played a role during the actual murders because I haven't seen any convincing evidence to support the idea. Her phone pinging in the area has been explained a few times. If there's a reasonable explanation for it, then I give that more weight than my feelings. I think she's conceited, selfish, flighty, and arrogant but my personal feelings towards her and what she did in the affair doesn't count as actual evidence. I think she feels guilty (hence the reason she told him to delete everything) but I think that was just to cover her hiney in general. She had an affair with a married man whose wife and kids have now gone missing. She knew that they'd find her and interview her. She most likely was trying to get rid of all the pictures and stuff because she didn't want to look like she was that involved.

 

[Pi Thoughts]

So far I'm not convinced that NK played any role in the murders, but I'm trying to keep an open mind to the various theories out there. Since NK is a proven liar and destroyer of evidence, she doesn't deserve the benefit of the doubt, IMO. Even when NK suspected that foul play was the reason CW's went family missing, she only cared about herself, so she gets no sympathy from me.

ETA. I am very interested in hearing everyone's thoughts about her possible involvement.

NK is guilty of vocal fry, adultry and hiding/destroying of some evidence, however I don’t believe she had hands on involvement. I think Ma Watts and CW supporters would have dumped her in it if that was the case.
MOO