Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34, dec.), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #3

[enelram]

Where was it reported that she was planning on leaving him? Is there a link or is it speculation?

Several of her friends (and maybe her mother also) have been
quoted as saying they were planning to separate. Links are a
few pages back.

 

[SuziQ]

BBM

That he was abusing their children ?
Some would think he'd be incapable of that... but a person who will murder can certainly stoop to such lows.

Or possibly he just snapped and killed them while disciplining them after the party ?

Although this seems to be premeditated --like he thought of the most horrifying ways to 'punish' her. I don't think he 'snapped'.

I hate to think what her final moments were as she walked into that house that night.
A demon awaited her.....

*graphic *

Since they were found in gas/oil tanks... they will most likely be unable to be autopsied , due to decomp.
Maybe someone with experience in the medical field can weigh in ?

Oil is very corrosive. IMO, their bodies would have eventually dissolved. Weird that there was a similar disposal method on 48 Hours NCIS. It aired earlier this summer. I wonder if CW watched it?

 

[gregjrichards]

Several of her friends (and maybe her mother also) have been
quoted as saying they were planning to separate. Links are a
few pages back.

Do you think he was thinking if I can’t have my wife and kids no other guy will and that was his motive or one of his motives?

 

[Betty P]

I mentioned this before, I swear I hear him say (on the video announcement) "I guess when you want it, it happens".....totally gave me the vibe that he was almost giving her a dig.....she wanted it....not so much him (regardless of what she may have put out on SM.....that probably falls under the category of furthering the facade of the perfect happy life)

Maybe I'm being old fashioned or naive, but I can't help but think this situation might have been avoided if the couple had undergone some pre-marital (colloquially, pre-cana) counseling. My hubs and attended it many, many years ago and it was very helpful. If young folks getting married today could sit down with someone who could discuss things like watching finances, learning how to discuss money and set realistic goals, family planning, how to argue and discuss issues constructively, etc. they may not have gotten themselves into such a bind. I'm shocked they were trying to juggle car payments and a $3000 mortgage payment on their income. The house they bought in CO should have been a goal for 10 yrs or more in the future, when both had secure jobs and money saved up.

Overspending, emergencies and the resulting financial problems are extremely stressful for most married couples that encounter them. It must be even worse today with incredibly high health care costs. Back in the 80's, with halfway decent insurance, out of pocket costs for prenatal care and a C-section would top out at $500.00. Today, it's probably in the 10s of thousands of dollars.

Money management and financial planning was something we've always discussed with our kids, especially when they decided to get married. It's tragic to see couples get off to such a bad start. Is social media feeding this kind of poor financial decision-making?

 

[Herat]

Ok - this is a video of CW on YouTube giving a speech in 2012 on Communication in Relationships. WOW........just unbelievable!

What is the context for him doing this presentation? He's obviously reading some prepared powerpoint presentation that he didn't come up with himself. WHY? t

He states he's in Longmont ( CO) and the weather is great. I thought they didnt move there until 2013? They didnt have the children at that point, I don't believe.

Who was he reading this to and why? (Note the Sony Laptop and the video monitor = shiny toys). Looks like he could be inside the house they bought.

This is so much at odds with his roustabout everyday job working in the fracking fields. It's almost like a class assignment - like something he'd be doing for a church or support group

 

[bluesneakers]

Do you think he was thinking if I can’t have my wife and kids no other guy will and that was his motive or one of his motives?

The most dangerous time for a woman who is being abused is when she tries to leave.

 

[enelram]

Do you think he was thinking if I can’t have my wife and kids no other guy will and that was his motive or one of his motives?

I'm thinking he was planning "his single life".
No more wifey, no more kids, no more financial hardship.
A do over w/ a new girlfriend maybe?

 

[bluesneakers]

What is the context for him doing this presentation? He's obviously reading some prepared powerpoint presentation that he didn't come up with himself. WHY? t

He states he's in Longmont ( CO) and the weather is great. I thought they didnt move there until 2013? They didnt have the children at that point, I don't believe.

Who was he reading this to and why? (Note the Sony Laptop and the video monitor = shiny toys). Looks like he could be inside the house they bought.

This is so much at odds with his roustabout everyday job working in the fracking fields. It's almost like a class assignment - like something he'd be doing for a church or support group

He said it was for a class.

 

[PommyMommy]

Where was it reported that she was planning on leaving him? Is there a link or is it speculation?

CO - MEDIA, MAPS & TIMELINES - NO DISCUSSION - - Shanann Watts (34, dec.), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4

 

[flourish]

What is the context for him doing this presentation? He's obviously reading some prepared powerpoint presentation that he didn't come up with himself. WHY? t

He states he's in Longmont ( CO) and the weather is great. I thought they didnt move there until 2013? They didnt have the children at that point, I don't believe.

Who was he reading this to and why? (Note the Sony Laptop and the video monitor = shiny toys). Looks like he could be inside the house they bought.

This is so much at odds with his roustabout everyday job working in the fracking fields. It's almost like a class assignment - like something he'd be doing for a church or support group

That's not the kitchen from their current house. Different cupboards and appliance colors.

Great find!

 

[enelram]

What is the context for him doing this presentation? He's obviously reading some prepared powerpoint presentation that he didn't come up with himself. WHY? t

He states he's in Longmont ( CO) and the weather is great. I thought they didnt move there until 2013? They didnt have the children at that point, I don't believe.

Who was he reading this to and why? (Note the Sony Laptop and the video monitor = shiny toys). Looks like he could be inside the house they bought.

This is so much at odds with his roustabout everyday job working in the fracking fields. It's almost like a class assignment - like something he'd be doing for a church or support group

I'll correct the move date. They were married in NC in 2012,
and moved to CO. in 2012. She sold her home in NC in 2012
and buyers said she was already in CO and in a hurry to sell and
left all furniture for new buyers. She had bought the home in
2009.

 

[Herat]

Maybe I'm being old fashioned or naive, but I can't help but think this situation might have been avoided if the couple had undergone some pre-marital (colloquially, pre-cana) counseling. My hubs and attended it many, many years ago and it was very helpful. If young folks getting married today could sit down with someone who could discuss things like watching finances, learning how to discuss money and set realistic goals, family planning, how to argue and discuss issues constructively, etc. they may not have gotten themselves into such a bind. I'm shocked they were trying to juggle car payments and a $3000 mortgage payment on their income. The house they bought in CO should have been a goal for 10 yrs or more in the future, when both had secure jobs and money saved up.

Overspending, emergencies and the resulting financial problems are extremely stressful for most married couples that encounter them. It must be even worse today with incredibly high health care costs. Back in the 80's, with halfway decent insurance, out of pocket costs for prenatal care and a C-section would top out at $500.00. Today, it's probably in the 10s of thousands of dollars.

Money management and financial planning was something we've always discussed with our kids, especially when they decided to get married. It's tragic to see couples get off to such a bad start. Is social media feeding this kind of poor financial decision-making?

Yes, Social Media (SM) is decidedly feeding poor financial decision-making. Just look at the proliferation of payday loan places. It's a huge growth industry. Just look at how easy it is to buy , buy, buy online in the anonymity of your own home, without even having to face someone who could make you think twice about your purchase.

I n0te he has a nice newer model pickup that he was making $600 a month payments on. And there was an (older) Mustang in the garage and she had posed in front of a Lexus stating that her MLM was giving her a $800 a month car allowance.

 

[PommyMommy]

Ok - this is a video of CW on YouTube giving a speech in 2012 on Communication in Relationships. WOW........just unbelievable!

I haven't listened to all of this yet, but this was interesting:
"Sometimes when you're in a relationship and your relationship starts to deteriorate, a child could help repair it."

 

[gitana1]

ahhhhh

never heard this before !!

go to 750

you can hear what they are whispering oppppssssss

so far it seems like they are playing it like he just confessed I kinda think they found something it a drain or something and told him flat out

can you explain why is in YOUR bathroom or something like that

Can you just say what you heard? I can't really make it out.

 

[TTF14]

Do you think he was thinking if I can’t have my wife and kids no other guy will and that was his motive or one of his motives?

I think that motive is EITHER wipe out the family so he can move on with a new mistress OR what you just said. I can think of two men I know like this - that I would not be surprised if they did something like this because of ego.

 

[PommyMommy]

What is the context for him doing this presentation? He's obviously reading some prepared powerpoint presentation that he didn't come up with himself. WHY? t

He states he's in Longmont ( CO) and the weather is great. I thought they didnt move there until 2013? They didnt have the children at that point, I don't believe.

Who was he reading this to and why? (Note the Sony Laptop and the video monitor = shiny toys). Looks like he could be inside the house they bought.

This is so much at odds with his roustabout everyday job working in the fracking fields. It's almost like a class assignment - like something he'd be doing for a church or support group

It was a speech for a communications class.

 

[bluesneakers]

I haven't listened to all of this yet, but this was interesting:
"Sometimes when you're in a relationship and your relationship starts to deteriorate, a child could help repair it."

Worst advice ever! OMG.

 

[cass523]

Ok - this is a video of CW on YouTube giving a speech in 2012 on Communication in Relationships. WOW........just unbelievable!

I noticed some of the same body language as in his first interview he did when the family was first reported missing. Rocking back and forth as he speaks and keeping/holding his arms in the same position at his lower chest.

 

[gitana1]

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But the family doesn't have to see what it doesn't want to. They have victim's advocates.

I kind of think the ugly underbelly of this person needs to be revealed. Appearance was so important to him. The reality of who he is - a despicable coward- and the cowardly things he did, needs to be publicized.

 

[gitana1]

I haven't listened to all of this yet, but this was interesting:
"Sometimes when you're in a relationship and your relationship starts to deteriorate, a child could help repair it."

Wow. And of course that's not true at all!