I am soooooo unbelievably relieved that all 3 are out of there, autopsied and hopefully in close proximity again.
Also love that the defense is using an expert who has been discredited... not a wise move.
Hm, I think he is actually the right amount of coward for that. Scum like him don't want to serve time for the crimes they committed.
There have been a few that I thought were too much of a coward, too narcissistic or whatever else to kill themselves and they've surprised me and done it. Just never can predict which ones will.
Ugh. That is devastating. And she looks identical to dad.
I don't think she looks like Dad. I think she looks just like her maternal Uncle.
I truly believe a lot of people just never learn how to be smart with money. Sometimes it's a generational thing. If mom and dad spent their money as soon as it came in, and always had a fancy car and made minimum payments on their credit card, then that's what junior will learn.
Absolutely. My in laws were horrible with money, still are. I'm in charge of the money in our family. It just had to be that way.
Chris Watts case: Bodies found believed to be Shanann Watts and her daughters - CNN
BBM because I don't remember seeing this statement before.
In an interview outside his house Tuesday, Chris Watts told local media that his wife arrived home from a work event in Arizona about 2 a.m. Monday. He said he left for work a few hours later -- about 5:15 a.m.
"She'd barely gotten into bed, pretty much," he said, according to
CNN affiliate KMGH.
Sounds to me like he attacked her and killed her right after she got into bed.
I haven't listened to all of this yet, but this was interesting:
"Sometimes when you're in a relationship and your relationship starts to deteriorate, a child could help repair it."
That's just about the very worst relationship advice, ever.
Aside from killing your family.
I share your feelings a lot. But the same can sometimes be said for prosecutors. They may not care if someone is innocent or possibly so. We've seen that with innocence project cases where the DNA comes back exonerating them and the DA still refuses to agree to clear them or let them free or whatever.
It's horrible. When you know someone is innocent and you can't get the state to listen. It is even worse than knowing someone is guilty and not being able to prove it. It's so much worse for an innocent man to languish for a crime he didn't commit. Now that I've seen both first hand.
Along those lines, also interesting is his area of "expertise"
Max Wachtel, Ph.D. :: JurisPro Expert Witness Directory :: Colorado
"I am the author of Sociopaths & Psychopaths: A Crisis of Conscience and Empathy (2017), and The One Rule For Boys: How Empathy And Emotional Understanding Will Improve Just About Everything For Your Son (2014)."
Well I gotta agree with the guy on this point 100%. Continuum Concept is a great book too. So important that boys are given just as much empathy and love as girls.
Gosh. Not in my experience. I mean I am friends with some of my opposing counsel.
But in criminal law mostly judges, prosecutors and defense attorneys are not all buddy buddy. Especially not during a trial. It's very intense. Very grueling. No sleep. Little food.
I do primarily family law but I interned at the federal public defender. They seemed to have quite a bit of disdain for the prosecutors.
My law partner does criminal defense. He complains a lot about being treated with contempt by DA's, judges even clerks.
I do minor appearances for him and at a lower level I see defense attorneys (private and public) getting along with the state. Kind of joking around or at least being friendly in the back room where you go to discuss what's happening with the case or possible deals. But this is more minor stuff.
Once you get to the big leagues there seems to be a lot of righteousness on both sides. I've seen it at court.
In family law we all go to the same seminars with each other and the judges. That's not the case in criminal law. Defense people don't roll in the same circles at all. Their seminars are vastly different.
Trial is grim and serious. I have never ever seen or heard of a serious case being discussed informally like that. Especially with alcohol involved. I think that would be outrageous.
But maybe in some states, especially in smaller towns, maybe that stuff happens.
Not in a small town here, however it really depends on the lawyers. My boss actually wants to campaign for his current opposing counsel who is running for office. He's so impressed with the opposing counsel's integrity and desire for justice on the current case. It's in sharp contrast to another case we have where the opposing counsel doesn't care that the guy is innocent.
Why is the defense lawyer in CW’s house? I’ve never heard of such a thing. He’s a defense lawyer, not an investigator. I guess if he’s there with police he could be...what? Making sure protocol is followed?
Please tell me what I’m missing!!!
I work for a defense lawyer who literally does not have an investigator, or a secretary, or a paralegal. Until I started there he didn't have any employees. He prefers to do most everything himself. He goes to crime scenes, he goes to houses, he goes to look at pictures, he talks to witnesses.
He does this so that when he's questioning a witness about say a certain room in a house. If the witness gets something wrong, he's been in that room and will notice that discrepancy. He takes his responsibility very seriously and only takes cases he believes in.
Gosh you guys should see her brother's Facebook right now. Such anguish. It's killing me.
Absolutely brutal. Bella looked just like him. OMG.
I think it’s human nature to hope that if we figure out what caused it we can spot the next one before he or she kills. Then we feel like we have some control.
Also people want there to be warning signs; otherwise it could happen to any of us at any time.
Absolutely true. Think of all the things that we have figured out in the last 100 years. The progress that has been made. Maybe one day we will be able to see these things coming.
Not everybody has grandparents willing to take care of young kids. Anyhow, that's my guess why: he wanted freedom to do whatever he liked, which you can not have as a father of multiple children.
It's true, my kids do not have grandparents who could have raised them. However, Bella, Cece and Nico most certainly did. They had grandparents and an uncle who would have dropped everything at a moments notice to rescue them if needed. There is no doubt in my mind.
Early childhood intervention. Early on services, better training for CPS workers, teachers, school admin to recognize risk factors and signs of childhood trauma exposure. Training on how to best interact with children, how important it is to show children empathy and love, how important ones role could be in a child's life who otherwise may not have the nurture and attachment at home. Tailoring parenting classes and services to provide parents with risk factors of furthering the cycle of abuse or trauma. The intervention comes much earlier than waiting for a killer to seek treatment.
Absolutely, all of this is huge. Continuum Concept. So much research about how important that first 3 years of life is to the eventual adult the child becomes. There is SO much that could be taught about this!
He confessed. He then said “I put the bodies here”, thus the immediate area was searched. How do you walk that back?
Ask Crystal McDowell's husband? There are other's I'm not remembering right now. Honestly I'm not convinced he admitted he killed them. I still think he may have spun it that he didn't kill them, or not the kids at least... he just hid the bodies.
I often joke about my husband having no game. It just means that he has no idea how to flirt or pick up women. I had to do the pursuing in the beginning because he was cluless and awkward.
Same here. It's also a common statement that our roles are more reversed. He's more the woman in our relationship. Sounds weird but it's true. He's more the stereotypes you think of with women and I'm just not.
If CW was out of jail for 30 seconds, I’m pretty sure shannan’s brother would literally take him out in a heartbeat.
I agree. No doubt in my mind. I'm a little worried about whether he will be okay going to court actually.
Ok but if you think he was smart enough to do that, he would have been smart enough to not have the doors deadbolted from the inside, his truck backed up to the garage that morning, or all shannans belongings still in the house. Ya know?
I think he killed the girls before 11pm Sunday night. So he had a few hours to clean up, stage things, load them in the truck. I think by the time he killed Shanann, cleaned up and got her body in the truck, he had to get to work. I don't think he had time to stage the scene.
I think that was his initial plan but her flight being delayed ruined it. I think he intended to come home for lunch after not hearing from Shanann to stage the scene and discover them gone. Maybe ransack the place or something. Nicole screwed it all up. She is the hero in this situation.
Imagine if CW had thrown all her stuff in a hole somewhere, unlocked the back door, and ruffled everyone’s beds like they slept in them. It would truly look like Shannan and the kids were taken. Interesting...
I think that was absolutely his plan.
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Here's a thought. If you are going to sedate them in order to kill them, why not give them so much it actually does the job for you. I can't imagine a person sedating someone so they can then strangle them. Strangling is up close and personal. Giving a kid something to drink and they never wake up sure sounds more "humane" then choking the life out of them.
I agree it is crazy that we we hope one form of murder took place rather then another. I guess it is because the visual of the other is too horrific to imagine.
There have been cases where the attempt has been made to overdose the child on meds. It either wasn't fast enough, the child wouldn't take enough, the parent didn't give enough, or for whatever reason it didn't work... so another method such as suffocation was used.
