Still Missing CO - Suzanne Morphew, 49, Chaffee Co, 10 May 2020 *arrest* #88

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  • #521
What kind of person would erase every single word of another person's life?
The man who resented that she ever had a journal, that she ever had her own thoughts and ever had her own life and was holding onto it for dear life. The man who knew she'd revealed everything about him. The man who knew she no longer loved him and was 'done'. The man who wanted to erase her. The man who did just that.

He also erased any further 'grievances' Suzanne had documented in her diary, would guess there was a whole lot more than 50 in the journal. Betting he would have been apoplectic with rage reading through page after page of Suzanne's opinions, thoughts and feelings.
imo
 
  • #522
That paper material "like wrapping paper" still bothers me.

Suzanne did just have a birthday but I'm not seeing her throwing her gift paper into fire in the living room. Possible but....

It was also MDW. Were there wrapped gifts waiting for her? Did someone decide she was no longer worthy? And incinerate her gifts?

'Till death do us part" might be the endpoint for marriage, but last I checked, motherhood has no endpoint.

I wonder if any of Suzanne's things have been preserved.

Probably not.

Didn't Barry say he just wanted to put it all behind him and get on with his life?

JMO
I'm curious what you do with ripped off wrapping paper. We ball it up and burn it in our fireplace as kindling or use it as kindling in the bonfire pit along with cardboard boxes, old newspapers (in the olden days) and anything paper. There is a parked township recycle truck a half hour away, but we don't take paper there because we use it. And we don't throw paper out with the trash pickup. They may not do "gifts" for Mother's or Father's day.
 
  • #523
No but that isn't a societal character flaw. It's something you are personally opposed to which is OK. Lotta ranchers and such in Colorado that do things that would make you not happy. And we've discussed previously people who farm deer. As far as deer herds, there are articles from farming magazines that "teach" a deer herd owner how to remove antlers. :) I think BM disgusts some people, yes. But again, sometimes disgusting things aren't illegal.

I think most of those things are illegal in Colorado, but not in Indiana. Hence Barry's insistence that he never did any of those things in CO until he admitted he did because he was caught.
 
  • #524
I'm curious what you do with ripped off wrapping paper. We ball it up and burn it in our fireplace as kindling or use it as kindling in the bonfire pit along with cardboard boxes, old newspapers (in the olden days) and anything paper. There is a parked township recycle truck a half hour away, but we don't take paper there because we use it. And we don't throw paper out with the trash pickup. They may not do "gifts" for Mother's or Father's day.

I agree with this assessment. When I had a fireplace, we kept good "kindling" paper, newspaper and wrapping paper are excellent kindling.
 
  • #525
I think most of those things are illegal in Colorado, but not in Indiana. Hence Barry's insistence that he never did any of those things in CO until he admitted he did because he was caught.
I live in Indiana. I don’t know the legalities but I know a lot of hunters. They don’t do those things.
 
  • #526
Agree.
(A Joe Leaphorn quote.)

Hunting is just killing and not a "sport,"
unless the deer has a gun too.


I admit the quote is really funny. But the truth is when you live out in the country and you were taught to hunt for your winters meat, that is what you do. You don’t kill a deer or squirrel or any other animal just to watch it die. That’s murder. But you kill what the law says is your limit, you skin it and have it processed for your winters meat. I’m not sure what people in the city are going to do when the grocers run out of meat and other foods. That’s just my opinion. And if you enjoy a great steak, remember the cow had to be butchered.

Anyway, back to the sport joke…
I would give a lot to see Barry try to tranquilizer a deer and see that deer with a rifle. That would be a sport for sure. :D
 
  • #527
I live in Indiana. I don’t know the legalities but I know a lot of hunters. They don’t do those things.
Probably not hunters but deer farmers could. It doesn’t hurt the animal if done properly as they shed them anyway. I have no idea of the laws by state for deer farms. I know they exist because a friend’s dad was in the biz.
 
  • #528
Probably not hunters but deer farmers could. It doesn’t hurt the animal if done properly as they shed them anyway. I have no idea of the laws by state for deer farms. I know they exist because a friend’s dad was in the biz.
I understand but getting back to the sport. WHY tranquilize a deer or other animal, remove their rack (as I call it) and then hang it on a wall? I mean, do you make up a lie about how you hunted and shot the deer? Because if you do, you are just a liar. That’s what Barry is. Just a liar.
 
  • #529
I admit the quote is really funny. But the truth is when you live out in the country and you were taught to hunt for your winters meat, that is what you do. You don’t kill a deer or squirrel or any other animal just to watch it die. That’s murder. But you kill what the law says is your limit, you skin it and have it processed for your winters meat. I’m not sure what people in the city are going to do when the grocers run out of meat and other foods. That’s just my opinion. And if you enjoy a great steak, remember the cow had to be butchered.

Anyway, back to the sport joke…
I would give a lot to see Barry try to tranquilizer a deer and see that deer with a rifle. That would be a sport for sure. :D
Agree. Hunting for food is different. We all kill for resources one way or another.
MOO BM is in the camp of killing for the fun of it. Glee about about killing for trophies is what I mean.
 
  • #530
I understand but getting back to the sport. WHY tranquilize a deer or other animal, remove their rack (as I call it) and then hang it on a wall? I mean, do you make up a lie about how you hunted and shot the deer? Because if you do, you are just a liar. That’s what Barry is. Just a liar.

RIGHT!

My grandfather was a hunter. If he shot it, he ate it. If it was mounted on the wall, we ate the rest of it. If you caught a fish, you cleaned and ate the fish.

I don't get the mounting of trophies, but as long as you ate the rest I don't take issue with it. Guys like Barry piss me off. If you want to hunt a deer, get a deer lease and set out your deer corn (unless you're somewhere deer corn is a no-no), put up your stand and wait for hunting season.

White tail deer are generally considered to be in excess in just about every state where they live. That's why the Game & Fish Commission (or whatever your state calls the department) sets aside a specific number of deer tags every year in order to keep the deer population healthy.
 
  • #531
I think most of those things are illegal in Colorado, but not in Indiana. Hence Barry's insistence that he never did any of those things in CO until he admitted he did because he was caught.
MOO In most states I believe attracting game to a bait station is regulated accordong to the deer pop..
 
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When do you think we'll know whether or not the trial will be televised? Will it be right before the trial?
 
  • #534
Antlers, Antlers, & Antlers?
I understand but getting back to the sport. WHY tranquilize a deer or other animal, remove their rack (as I call it) and then hang it on a wall? I mean, do you make up a lie about how you hunted and shot the deer? Because if you do, you are just a liar. That’s what Barry is. Just a liar.
@Love Never Fails
ITA, often when BM talks, it's Liar, Liar, Pants on Fire.

As long as we're talking about antlers:) ---
I recall photos of a hundred plus pairs of deer & large game antlers in BM's pickup and trailer in Indiana, just before the fam moved to Colorado. Sorry, no link.
Was there an explanation of how he acquired them -- sawn off at deer farm or thru his own hunting? And/or anything about whether/how he disposed of them after arriving in CO. Presumably sold them? IDK. Anyone?
 
  • #535
RIGHT!

My grandfather was a hunter. If he shot it, he ate it. If it was mounted on the wall, we ate the rest of it. If you caught a fish, you cleaned and ate the fish.

I don't get the mounting of trophies, but as long as you ate the rest I don't take issue with it. Guys like Barry piss me off. If you want to hunt a deer, get a deer lease and set out your deer corn (unless you're somewhere deer corn is a no-no), put up your stand and wait for hunting season.

White tail deer are generally considered to be in excess in just about every state where they live. That's why the Game & Fish Commission (or whatever your state calls the department) sets aside a specific number of deer tags every year in order to keep the deer population healthy.
Yes! Perfect reply. Thanks.
 
  • #536
Antlers, Antlers, & Antlers?
@Love Never Fails
ITA, often when BM talks, it's Liar, Liar, Pants on Fire.

As long as we're talking about antlers:) ---
I recall photos of a hundred plus pairs of deer & large game antlers in BM's pickup and trailer in Indiana, just before the fam moved to Colorado. Sorry, no link.
Was there an explanation of how he acquired them -- sawn off at deer farm or thru his own hunting? And/or anything about whether/how he disposed of them after arriving in CO. Presumably sold them? IDK. Anyone?
Knowing ole Barry, I imagine he sold them for profit. I didn’t think I could get anymore disgusted.
 
  • #537
Probably not hunters but deer farmers could. It doesn’t hurt the animal if done properly as they shed them anyway. I have no idea of the laws by state for deer farms. I know they exist because a friend’s dad was in the biz.
Why? What is the business? Selling them to a guy so he can lie and say he hunted the animal himself and shot it? Shame on the guy doing business that way!
 
  • #538
Antlers, Antlers, & Antlers?
@Love Never Fails
ITA, often when BM talks, it's Liar, Liar, Pants on Fire.

As long as we're talking about antlers:) ---
I recall photos of a hundred plus pairs of deer & large game antlers in BM's pickup and trailer in Indiana, just before the fam moved to Colorado. Sorry, no link.
Was there an explanation of how he acquired them -- sawn off at deer farm or thru his own hunting? And/or anything about whether/how he disposed of them after arriving in CO. Presumably sold them? IDK. Anyone?
Both harvested and found I would guess and I am assuming he sells them. They are valuable and pretty prevalent in mountain lodge style interior design.
 
  • #539
But don't forget many marriages are contentious or crumbling but not every marriage ends up with one spouse killing another one. This trial is not about whether Barry was a faithful husband or Suzanne an unfaithful wife, it is not about whether Barry is a good or bad businessman or whether he provided well for his family or not....it is about did Barry murder his wife. That is what the prosecution has to prove beyond a reasonable doubt. You could be the most obnoxious person in the world or the worse husband in the world and not murder your spouse. The prosecution needs to prove beyond reasonable doubt the how, when and perhaps where and not just the "why". We have only seen the bare essentials of the case and we have only seen the prosecution side of the case. Prosecution technically doesn't even need the why in most cases...perhaps in this case they will leave that impression as much as they are allowed by law with the jury since the how, when and perhaps where is a little shaky. Voir dire will take care of the jury selection in terms of both sides figuring out who has "followed" the case and perhaps pre formed an opinion. Personally, in my opinion, the composition of the jury is going to be a very important element of the case for both sides. Honestly I don't think any of the lawyers are going to come off "dirty or disgusting" as court is run pretty tightly and for the most part the trial will be seasoned attorneys or at least we hope that happens on the prosecution side. Remember the tip point goes to prosecution in the preliminary days and the tip goes to the defendant at trial. What can and can't be admitted at trial the tip point goes to the judge in my opinion.
BBM. I disagree with the bolded statement.

The prosecution doesn't have to prove how or why BM killed SM, and they don't have to prove precisely where or when. The standard jury instruction says what the prosecution must prove, and this is all they must prove beyond a reasonable doubt:

"3-1:01 MURDER IN THE FIRST DEGREE (AFTER DELIBERATION)

The elements of the crime of murder in the first degree are:

1. That the defendant,

2. in the State of Colorado, at or about the date and place charged,

3. after deliberation, and with intent to cause the death of a person other than
himself, caused the death of _______________ .

After considering all the evidence, if you decide the prosecution has proven each of the elements beyond a reasonable doubt, you should find the defendant guilty of murder in the first degree.

After considering all the evidence, if you decide the prosecution has failed to prove any one or more of the elements beyond a reasonable doubt, you should find the defendant not guilty of murder in the first degree"

The preliminary hearing presented more than enough evidence to convince a reasonable jury that BM killed SM at the PP residence on the afternoon of May 9, 2020, that he intended to do so, and that he deliberated about killing her before he did it. That's all the DA needs to prove, and that's not just my opinion.

Judge Murphy, misled by the defense's demonstrably false claim that DNA evidence pointed to someone else, commented that the case could go either way, but since that myth has been dispelled it's clear - even the bare bones of the prosecution's case is enough to convict IMO.
 
  • #540
Just to lighten things up a bit, I wish we knew if MM’s cat was ever accounted for after the fact. Not the mountain lion but the domestic cat. One of my felines recently peed in my suitcase after a short trip. She typically reserves such behavior for my husband because she is a vindictive hot mess but adores me and the kids. I hope the cat marks Barry’s things as territorially as he treated the women in his life. Couldn’t happen to a nicer guy. IMO
 
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