Still Missing CO - Suzanne Morphew, 49, Chaffee Co, 10 May 2020 *arrest* #90

[Skigh]

I didn't find either of them thinking they were smarter or snarkier than the other. Barry lied about a lot of things, and Grusing pointed that out. In some parts Barry came across as 'little boyish' jmo.

I do wonder whether Barry would have been different with female agents though, and wonder what information female agents could have gleaned from him.

Agree, actually hearing the interviews will be interesting, hard to gauge the intent/context/emotion in written word, but audio will reveal much more.

I would love to know what his fancy lawyers say about BM when they are behind closed doors.

 

[nyvictoria]

I don't think we can discount that we have typical religious beliefs and then there are BM's religious beliefs -- purely for his benefit.

IMO, BM did his best to brainwash SM with his beliefs and it took her to almost age 50 before she could think for herself. In other words, I think BM has schooled the daughters to believe that they're to hate sin, but love the sinner. And love, honor, and obey the father-- regardless of his deeds!

I'm recalling BM telling Agent Grusing that he had to sell his daughters on forgiving SM over the affair by convincing them the affair was a sin no greater than other sins.

Personally, I really fear for them and the day that the light bulb goes off. You have to believe that one day that will happen. I think today it's all about self-protection and guarding their hearts and minds about reality (as we know it).

And I agree with @MassGuy -- it doesn't mean we have to like it. MOO

BBM and JMO

Hate the sinner, as long as it’s not their father. I believe he told his daughters fairly early on that their mother was having an affair and had likely run off with her boyfriend. I doubt he’s ever told them to forgive Suzanne. I just picture him trashing Suzanne in every way possible. I think he has about as much love for his daughters as he had for Suzanne. Zero. He’s all about the control. It’s his “love language.”

When Barry goes to prison for the remainder of his life and his daughters are finally out from under his control, they’ll eventually come to realize the truth of what their father did. It won’t be easy for them but I’m sure their mother’s family will be available to help them to deal with it. They’re going to need it.

 

[MassGuy]

On surface it sure sounds like two guys that think they are smarter and snarkier than each other going toe to toe. Listening to the actual conversations might be interesting.

Grusing didn't just think he was smarter; he is smarter. If they were "going toe to toe," it was akin to wolf facing off with a lamb.

Listen to any of his discussions about serial killers on YouTube, and you'll see exactly how he gets inside somebody's head.

This obviously doesn't just apply to serial killers, which is why he was chosen for this case.

He made Barry think he was helping, and he made Barry believe he was on his side. I'm not sure if that speaks more to Grusing's intelligence, or Barry's stupidity though.

Barry's words to Grusing when he was arrested were "how could you do this to me? I trusted you."

What a dope.

 

[Love Never Fails]

Grusing didn't just think he was smarter; he is smarter. If they were "going toe to toe," it was akin to wolf facing off with a lamb.

Listen to any of his discussions about serial killers on YouTube, and you'll see exactly how he gets inside somebody's head.

This obviously doesn't just apply to serial killers, which is why he was chosen for this case.

He made Barry think he was helping, and he made Barry believe he was on his side. I'm not sure if that speaks more to Grusing's intelligence, or Barry's stupidity though.

Barry's words to Grusing when he was arrested were "how could you do this to me? I trusted you."

What a dope.

Lamb, meet wolf. Lol.
Grusing is a class act.

 

[Lyanna]

I would love to know what his fancy lawyers say about BM when they are behind closed doors.

Oh my, where would you start!
Then again their shenanigans make them a well-matched trio. Full of deflection, masking the truth and so on.

Fair play though, they're strong, determined women, can't imagine they'd tolerate much crap off him, it's probably one of the only times he's ever let a woman tell him what do.

MOO

 

[genuineusa77]

No I think that was the description on the back of a receipt that Barry wrote and left at a local gas station/convenience store of "what" she would have been wearing had she been out on a bike ride.

Was this before they found her bike??

 

[nyvictoria]

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Reading thru the AA summary from here": https://www.thedenverchannel.com/ne...cated-stories-surrounding-wifes-disappearance

" In a March 1 interview, Barry Morphew asked investigators for immunity and again claimed there was no evidence and said Suzanne Morphew had “made him a monster and things ‘just blew up.’” When asked why he wanted immunity, he told investigators, “I think in case somebody falsely convicts me or something.”

The 1st time I read that I didn't think it was a big a deal. I read it and thought it may have been tied into the polygraph test. I thought that he was asking for immunity from things like poaching, an affair, running a red light, threatening somebody or other low level crimes that a homicide detective wouldn't be too concerned about. The type of questions you might be asked about to get a reading or baseline for a polygraph. That might also explain his reluctance to take it and why he said he wouldn't pass it. I gave bM the benefit of the doubt on this one as a polygraph isn't admissible in court and let's face it, who hasn't lied about something in their life that they don't want to be made public.

But now I see the immunity he wants concerns the murder outright. The choice of words here is important. He's not saying ACCUSE, he's saying CONVICT. Big difference! That is a pretty specific statement. It has a finality to it. Someone could accuse you of anything but without evidence or proof it's a hollow word. Convict is way different. If someone falsely convicts you that means all arguments have already been made. Things are stacked against you, judgement has been handed down. The action is over, final. I find that use of the word 'convicts' odd and it raises a red flag. Who talks like that?

Why would that person's word cause police to take their word over the facts against barry when there is NO EVIDENCE? WHO IS HE AFRAID OF? Could that mean that someone else knows something that we don't? I find that whole exchange odd. I REALLY want to see those interview tapes and watch his body language.

Maybe I'm reading to much into it but words are important. Interrogators pick up on statements like that. It could mean nothing but it also could mean something. I'd like to see the conversation before and after that statement.

I agree with you. He absolutely meant immunity from murder charges. Although he didn’t realize that once he’s convicted, there’s no do-overs by immunity.

 

[DeDee]

Perhaps he thought the two guys would share a room and MG would be in a second? Does it matter to the case how many rooms he paid for?

I wrote in OP:
"It doesn't matter as I really only wanted to know why it too so long to arrive in Broomfield and now I know."

And, so why are you asking me if it matters when I clearly stated that it doesn't? Aren't there more serious things to discuss in this complex complicated murder investigation because I believe there are many items considerably more important? TIA
moo

 

[Skigh]

Oh my, where would you start!
Then again their shenanigans make them a well-matched trio. Full of deflection, masking the truth and so on.

Fair play though, they're strong, determined women, can't imagine they'd tolerate much crap off him, it's probably one of the only times he's ever let a woman tell him what do.

MOO

If they were not charging him mega bucks for their services they would not have the time of day for him. I expect in his narcissistic mind he thinks they adore him.

 

[MassGuy]

If they were not charging him mega bucks for their services they would not have the time of day for him. I expect in his narcissistic mind he thinks they adore him.

He's probably telling everyone "my attorneys know I'm innocent."

 

[Scootie98]

Can anyone remember any other case where pre trial the prosecution appeared to be so disorganised?

Kyle Rittenhouse....

If they brought in every other man on the planet to question on the stand, it still wouldn't exonerate their client.

The journal
The charger cord
The door jamb
The sheath
The discarded tranq materials
The failed alibi
A marriage in trouble
The 24+ hours of Suzanne's digital silence prior to being reported missing
The gouges
Airplane mode
Truck reset
The bike
The helmet
The trash runs
The lies
That Barry discarded his precious tranq materials the same weekend a sheath lands in the dryer and his wife goes missing
The means, the motive, the opportunity...
And the professional skillset and hobbiest knowledge to barry a secret

All the men in the world, all that looks bad -- really bad -- for just one of them.

JMO

BM not responding to LE calls to him twice while he was in Broomfield...yet he talked to the Ritters, his daughter and George. That looks really bad too. His wife is missing...and he is avoiding calls from LE? Why would he do that if he is innocent?

 

[Tumbleweed]

^^bbm

I recall seeing the photos of the iron entry gate erection and I think they came from the Monarch Estate Subdivision HOA site (Puma Path residence). I believe they installed the gates shortly after SM disappeared.

Since JP had never worked for BM before, I believe the idea to hire JP came from MG whose former employer was DSI. Reportedly, BM contacted MG at the last minute on Sunday requesting she put a crew together. We know that JP was uneasy about the offer until he personally called BM to confirm he needed him in Broomfield.

If MG and JP left Salida at 6:10 pm and traveled to Colorado Springs to collect CC, that would be about 3.5 hour trip to Broomfield, without traffic, via US- 50E and CO-115 N and I-25 N (189 miles per google maps).

Google Maps

‘I’m not the other woman’: Second contractor speaks out about Suzanne Morphew investigation | FOX21 News Colorado

I don't believe that they picked up Cassidy. He met up with them on Monday.
From page 48/129 of the AA: https://www.courts.state.co.us/user.../21CR78/21cr78 Morphew Redacted Affidavit.pdf

 

[Scootie98]

Of course this isn't true most of the time, but when I think of juries, I like to set the bar really low. I ask myself, "would a bunch of idiots find this person guilty?"

If that answer is yes, then I see the case as a slam dunk.

I saw the Frazee case that way, and he was convicted in something like 3 hours.

This case is going to require the jury to be smart enough to put a bunch of pieces together. Of course the pieces are all there, but there are other factors in play here that may complicate things:

Does the prosecution present their case effectively?

How effective is the defense at refuting the evidence?

And most importantly, how rational and logical are the jurors?

Fortunately, Colorado juries have been solid in every case I have followed.

one of the challenges will be presenting a mountain of technologically-based evidence in such a way as to clearly define and identify its meaning and value. This jury will likely have some nerds and tekkies on it....but it will likely also have people who are accustomed to meat and potatoes information. Can the entire jury process and fully comprehend the details and connect the dots?

 

[Tumbleweed]

I don't think it's in the AA so it's most likely in an interview but I recall MG describing how one day shortly before SM's murder when BM collected her for work, she noticed one of the daughter's phones was plugged and/or paired in the truck and MG thought it odd that she did not take it on the trip. I think it was later explained that it was her iPod and not her phone. Could this unnamed device not used for months be the iPod? I believe it capable of messaging if wifi service is available. MOO

I think you are on to something here! I never thought that the 2nd device was a burner phone, as it didn't make sense to me that he would "associate" it with his regular phone. That would defeat the purpose of a burner phone. I don't think it's an App, like the Monkey App, as that is not a device, and I don't think a User ID would be generated on his phone. It makes sense to me that this 2nd device used wifi or bluetooth to pair with his regular phone. And using an older device that was handy makes perfect sense. I do vaguely remember something about Morgan saying something about the daughter's device being in Barry's vehicle, but I'm not 100% sure. Trying to think what interview that would've been in...

 

[Warwick7]

He left when he got the call that Suzanne is missing.

Someone help me with the AA (I have misplaced my copy). I swore I read there was was a 2 hour delay from the time he got the call to the time actually leaving the motel.

 

[Tumbleweed]

And that needs to be hammered into the jury with all of the other evidence on the 9th and 10th. Not just a big number like 210, but questioning why and how.

I would also REALLY like to see an animation of this location data showing his footsteps for each night, sped up of course. Where exactly on the property was he, and for how long? Do they provide such animations in court ever?

 

[Lyanna]

I would also REALLY like to see an animation of this location data showing his footsteps for each night, sped up of course. Where exactly on the property was he, and for how long? Do they provide such animations in court ever?

On pg 72

Barry was shown a picture of the locations around the Morphew House of Suzanne's phone activity at 4.10 and 4.15am on May 10 2020

More location points to indicate where Barry was, as Suzanne was most likely deceased by that time.

 

[MassGuy]

Someone help me with the AA (I have misplaced my copy). I swore I read there was was a 2 hour delay from the time he got the call to the time actually leaving the motel.

Page 38:

 

[DizzyB]

Huh? Is that a state in this country? I never heard if that. I always vote in person with an ID.

Last presidential election was drop box or mail in only in my state.

I think you are on to something here! I never thought that the 2nd device was a burner phone, as it didn't make sense to me that he would "associate" it with his regular phone. That would defeat the purpose of a burner phone. I don't think it's an App, like the Monkey App, as that is not a device, and I don't think a User ID would be generated on his phone. It makes sense to me that this 2nd device used wifi or bluetooth to pair with his regular phone. And using an older device that was handy makes perfect sense. I do vaguely remember something about Morgan saying something about the daughter's device being in Barry's vehicle, but I'm not 100% sure. Trying to think what interview that would've been in...

I had taken one my kid’s phones when they were doing wrong-then found out it was no big deal to them as long as they had their iPod. You can text other Apple devices using wifi-Barry’s truck may have wifi. I also assume the HIE had wifi.

 

[Love Never Fails]

Kyle Rittenhouse....

BM not responding to LE calls to him twice while he was in Broomfield...yet he talked to the Ritters, his daughter and George. That looks really bad too. His wife is missing...and he is avoiding calls from LE? Why would he do that if he is innocent?

Not only that, if his excuse was “it was a number unknown to me”, I would have to ask
“Wouldn’t you want to answer in case it was the abductor who took your wife?”