Not during, but in past cases there's been a discovery dump after trial.Does anyone know if we will get all the exhibits uploaded during the trial?
On other cases we've had to guess at them from video feeds...
This case has just been maddening as far as the documents not being published on the Court site!Not during, but in past cases there's been a discovery dump after trial.
For the 5th and 8th we have BM using his second phone, which he owned since Nov 30th 2019:Hard to say. We should have way more data for the 7th and 8th than we do. Instead it's super spotty.
I think, they always don't know, where to hide it in a save way.Thank you. Most victims of DV don’t document things. Sad because she lost her life.
He’s accessing the device each time on the 5th of the month. And SM texted, “I’m done. I could not care less what you’re doing or have been doing. I just want to handle this civilly” on the day after that 5/5/2020 access. And the PE guys emphasized “5” and also that something was going on on the dark web.For the 5th and 8th we have BM using his second phone, which he owned since Nov 30th 2019:
05.05.2020 Tuesday 12:48 PM
08.05.2020 Friday 3:43 PM
(UTC -6)
Then he didn't use this phone until 10.05.2020 Saturday 08:47 AM.
Does starting with his second device have a certain meaning re his car using also? Any logical conclusions by my smart fellow members just as you are? With logic I'm at war sometimes.![]()
Her own daughter, M2, told LE that she needed to get a RO and flee the marriage. That speaks volumes.
IMO
I have no doubt that BM found SM’s journal, read it and then burned it in the fireplace. I’m not sure WHEN he did it or if he confronted her with it though.I think, they always don't know, where to hide it in a save way.
It would be interesting to know, whether and when he read her journal before burning his disgraceful deeds, recorded on paper.
The photo of the fireplace clearly shows in the foreground 2 metal pieces from a Pendaflex hanging file folder.
BM told LE that they had been “ cleaning out files that week”.
If I wanted to hide a journal I could see dropping it in a hanging file that no one else really accessed.
Great post @mrjitty - thank youRSBM - right?
This is the rabbit hole I went down for some weeks on the Pistorius case.
Because 99.99% of men who engage in DA/DV don't murder their wives, there is a belief that it isn't predictive, or even to normalise it, as just the usual stuff that goes on in a failed marriage. You'll even hear that a bad assault was out of character or the abuser "snapped".
However when you look at the much smaller data set where men did murder their wives you will frequently find these red flags - so they actually do provide clear warnings
Given it's so obvious BM murdered SM, we can (even pre trial) look back at the warning signs and it is clear multiple people, including SM were worried about her safety - it's just that they under appreciated the risks. But the stuff about restraining orders, admitted violence, threats of suicide, secret camera, concealed affair, decision to divorce - these are all obvious indicators that built to a weekend that the vulnerable, isolated victim did not survive.
Unfortunately the judge decided this wasn't probative enough.
I disagree on a policy basis because we end up saying that victims need to raise the alarm in a way that a male judge thinks is meaningful, rather in a way that survivors and their close supporters understand as significant and safe.
I guarantee after this case, there will be the usual media platitudes of "how did this happen" when witnesses were tipping the police off as to the domestic angle in the first hours live on video!
He’s accessing the device each time on the 5th of the month. And SM texted, “I’m done. I could not care less what you’re doing or have been doing. I just want to handle this civilly” on the day after that 5/5/2020 access. And the PE guys emphasized “5” and also that something was going on on the dark web.
Is he using the device to view or access something on the dark web that releases new material the 5th of every month?
ETA: that second date, 8/5/2020 would have been the Morphew’s 26th wedding anniversary and it is the first time BM uses the device since SM disappeared.
That’s a good point re rent. I wonder if he was paying rent for anyone else at that time?Interesting observation. Paying rent for the daughter in Gunnison? The 5th of the month is often when rent is due before a late fee. Or a recurring bill of some sort? But odd that he would use a different device although is it determined and known that the device was a different phone? Or do we not know what type of device?
That’s a good point re rent. I wonder if he was paying rent for anyone else at that time?
I thought maybe one of his workers perhaps in exchange for labor.The text exchange between SM and SO - SM stated: I feel like he's supporting someone else.
page 16: https://denver.cbslocal.com/wp-cont...06/2022/01/People-Exhibits-Prelim-Hearing.pdf
I kept waiting for SO to say who? Who do you think he's supporting? I was hoping she would become very nosey. IMO
BBM Did you mean this date to be 05.08.2020? Or is it as you wrote it August 5, 2020 / thxFor the 5th and 8th we have BM using his second phone, which he owned since Nov 30th 2019:
05.05.2020 Tuesday 12:48 PM
08.05.2020 Friday 3:43 PM
(UTC -6)
Then he didn't use this phone until 10.05.2020 Saturday 08:47 AM.
Does starting with his second device have a certain meaning re his car using also? Any logical conclusions by my smart fellow members just as you are? With logic I'm at war sometimes.![]()
BBM Did you mean this date to be 05.08.2020? Or is it as you wrote it August 5, 2020 / thx
Because it was from a "secret" device and SM's instinct was that he was supporting someone else,The text exchange between SM and SO - SM stated: I feel like he's supporting someone else.
page 16: https://denver.cbslocal.com/wp-cont...06/2022/01/People-Exhibits-Prelim-Hearing.pdf
I kept waiting for SO to say who? Who do you think he's supporting? I was hoping she would become very nosey. IMO
ETA: peoples exhibit 15 (not page 16)
Great post! Thank You!RSBM - right?
This is the rabbit hole I went down for some weeks on the Pistorius case.
Because 99.99% of men who engage in DA/DV don't murder their wives, there is a belief that it isn't predictive, or even to normalise it, as just the usual stuff that goes on in a failed marriage. You'll even hear that a bad assault was out of character or the abuser "snapped".
However when you look at the much smaller data set where men did murder their wives you will frequently find these red flags - so they actually do provide clear warnings
Given it's so obvious BM murdered SM, we can (even pre trial) look back at the warning signs and it is clear multiple people, including SM were worried about her safety - it's just that they under appreciated the risks. But the stuff about restraining orders, admitted violence, threats of suicide, secret camera, concealed affair, decision to divorce - these are all obvious indicators that built to a weekend that the vulnerable, isolated victim did not survive.
Unfortunately the judge decided this wasn't probative enough.
I disagree on a policy basis because we end up saying that victims need to raise the alarm in a way that a male judge thinks is meaningful, rather in a way that survivors and their close supporters understand as significant and safe.
I guarantee after this case, there will be the usual media platitudes of "how did this happen" when witnesses were tipping the police off as to the domestic angle in the first hours live on video!