Found Deceased CO - Suzanne Morphew, 49, did not return from bike ride, Chaffee County, 10 May 2020 #16

[KLM6]

Or the message could be LE wants to convey to the family that they are working hard on the case and they appreciate the family's cooperation...IMO

IMO there are as many tea leaves saying LE is not investigating the spouse as there are saying they are.

We know nothing about this case. LE knows more but they might be short on evidence at this point too. LE has either confirmed or denied an alibi at this point, and any other investigation related to the spouse would branch out from the alibi, including all the phone, car GPS records and any evidence collected during the searches last month.

IMO they either have incriminating or exculpatory evidence, but at this point in the investigation they would not disclose either scenario to the public...even if an attorney was asking them to publically clear their client.

I really do hope LE has better communication with the family in order to not have to convey messages through a press conference.

 

[Sillybilly]

This thread is closed for cleanup.

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[Sillybilly]

One of the key differences here is that BM came out and offered a 100k reward for the safe return of SM.

AS didn't offer a 100k reward, likely because he knew in good conscience he couldn't actually fulfill that promise if someone did find GS.

If one has 100k at one's personal disposal to offer as a reward, one doesn't need to be seeking handouts from strangers for food and shelter.

It would have been much more conscionable for BM to use his 100k to pay for food, shelter, etc. for family members and set up a crowd-funding account to offer a reward for SM's safe return.

This is unseemly, at best.

JMO.

In fairness to BM it was never said at any time that he was behind or involved with the fundraiser. It was initiated by TN purportedly to help with search efforts.

 

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[Sillybilly]

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[BeckyF]

Great post!!!!!!!!

Sorry- hit reply by mistake

 

[Jimbythelake]

We know nothing about the case, that’s absolutely true.

It all comes down to if one believes these agencies are competent. For the sake of argument, let’s just assume they are.

At no point did law enforcement handle this as an abduction. We haven’t seen daily press conferences, or even the usual descriptors.

What does that say? It says they don’t believe she was abducted.

As rare as an abduction would be in that place, with this victimology, it’s still possible. There has to be a solid reason that law enforcement does not believe that occurred.

We’ve seen an exhaustive search of BM’s work site, and a search of the residence.

So if Suzanne was not abducted on a bike ride, yet her bike was found discarded, then it was staged.

Who stages crime scenes? People close to the victim who want to divert attention from where it would otherwise go.

That’s it.

So we’re left with a homicide, committed by someone close to her. I see absolutely nothing in their actions to indicate they are investigating anyone other than her spouse.

My biggest question is when the other shoe drops.

MassGuy, I think you've summed it up once and for all! “It all comes down to if one believes these agencies are competent.”



With the electronic infomation available to LE alone, I think a clear picture could be drawn. I find confidence in that.



A woman like Suzanne could have a secret admirer that was also “close to her” – no? A kind, beautiful woman.



I know, I know, lol, I just can't wrap my head around Barry being the type of guy that solves problems w/ murder.

 

[Acorunadepor]

We know nothing about the case, that’s absolutely true.

It all comes down to if one believes these agencies are competent. For the sake of argument, let’s just assume they are.

At no point did law enforcement handle this as an abduction. We haven’t seen daily press conferences, or even the usual descriptors.

What does that say? It says they don’t believe she was abducted.

As rare as an abduction would be in that place, with this victimology, it’s still possible. There has to be a solid reason that law enforcement does not believe that occurred.

We’ve seen an exhaustive search of BM’s work site, and a search of the residence.

So if Suzanne was not abducted on a bike ride, yet her bike was found discarded, then it was staged.

Who stages crime scenes? People close to the victim who want to divert attention from where it would otherwise go.

That’s it.

So we’re left with a homicide, committed by someone close to her. I see absolutely nothing in their actions to indicate they are investigating anyone other than her spouse.

My biggest question is when the other shoe drops.

Can you elaborate on being ''staged''? I am still not sure what everybody means by that.

Finding a bike discarded doesn't mean it immediately is the result of someone staging it. She could have placed it out of sight because it malfunctioned after she crashed it.

I am also still thinking (as an possible scenario) someone hit her with an atv, but then the personal item(s) would be closer to each other and closer to the location of the bike.

Is this officially a homecide investigation now? Or did I miss that, sorry if I did.

 

[Jimbythelake]

Hey – in thinking about the access to information LE has.........can one surmise they suspect Suzanne was gone before Mothers Day? Hint: they were digging up cement on a job Barry was on prior to Mothers Day – we know he claims to have been away on Mothers day, not at the cement site.



Someone know a cement company in the area? When was the “slab on grade” poured?

 

[Jimbythelake]

Hey – in thinking about the access to information LE has.........can one surmise they suspect Suzanne was gone before Mothers Day? Hint: they were digging up cement on a job Barry was on prior to Mothers Day – we know he claims to have been away on Mothers day, not at the cement site.



Someone know a cement company in the area? When was the “slab on grade” poured?

No one has heard from her since BEFORE the cement pad was poured ......learning that information would help understand what LE knows.

 

[AllGrace]

Can you elaborate on being ''staged''? I am still not sure what everybody means by that.

Finding a bike discarded doesn't mean it immediately is the result of someone staging it. She could have placed it out of sight because it malfunctioned after she crashed it.

I am also still thinking (as an possible scenario) someone hit her with an atv, but then the personal item(s) would be closer to each other and closer to the location of the bike.

Is this officially a homecide investigation now? Or did I miss that, sorry if I did.

Being “staged” - someone took or harmed her from/at her home, then placed her bike so that people would believe she “disappeared” while on a bike ride.

 

[Acorunadepor]

Being “staged” - someone took or harmed her from/at her home, then placed her bike so that people would believe she “disappeared” while on a bike ride.

Which can be related to knowledge of the area and possible subsequent search efforts. But if you take someone from their home, why on earth would you stage her bike? And those personal items?

All that risk of leaving some DNA, fingerprints, a shoe print, or tracks behind seems over the top to me and forgetting about the risk of being spotted. Now if it is in a hurry at or surrounding the scene I get it, place the bike drop some items and go.

The only way I possibly could see someone stage the bike is at night. Which means going back to the house, transport the bike to that particular spot. Take some of the personal items and find a good spot for them as well.

 

[Jimbythelake]

No one has heard from her since BEFORE the cement pad was poured ......learning that information would help understand what LE knows.

In digging up the work site that Barry was on some time prior to mothers day, you should be able to surmise :



LE cannot confirm any contact w/ Suzanne after Barry was done dirt work on the cement site.



This is prior to mothers day.



The cement pour day only matters if it was pre-mothers day.

 

[Madeleine74]

IMO:

People who commit crimes, especially a first-time homicide, aren't necessarily thinking logically and analyzing what actions make perfect sense and what actions might create unintended suspicion upon a much closer look. "Staging a bike" provides a potential opportunity to get an investigation focused on the bike, where it was found, what day it was found, the wider areas around that, and get people distracted thinking about what all could have potentially happened to someone on a bike ride. It's a mystery with a specific object and comes with an assumed story -- victim on bike ride then something happened.

ETA: But staging a bike also provides investigators with areas of doubt, depending on condition of the bike, location of the bike, ability to verify or not verify a bike ride was actually taken. I would say most perps don't think of those aspects.

/IMO

 

[Jimbythelake]

We know nothing about the case, that’s absolutely true.

It all comes down to if one believes these agencies are competent. For the sake of argument, let’s just assume they are.

At no point did law enforcement handle this as an abduction. We haven’t seen daily press conferences, or even the usual descriptors.

What does that say? It says they don’t believe she was abducted.

As rare as an abduction would be in that place, with this victimology, it’s still possible. There has to be a solid reason that law enforcement does not believe that occurred.

We’ve seen an exhaustive search of BM’s work site, and a search of the residence.

So if Suzanne was not abducted on a bike ride, yet her bike was found discarded, then it was staged.

Who stages crime scenes? People close to the victim who want to divert attention from where it would otherwise go.

That’s it.

So we’re left with a homicide, committed by someone close to her. I see absolutely nothing in their actions to indicate they are investigating anyone other than her spouse.

My biggest question is when the other shoe drops.

MassGuy, I am slowly making my way towards your level of confidence regarding Barry.



Digging at Barry's old work site eludes to a timeline that has serious implications for Barry, besides the obvious.

 

[BeckyF]

No one has heard from her since BEFORE the cement pad was poured ......learning that information would help understand what LE knows.

How do we know that if we don’t know when it was poured? We don’t know when the dirt was poured either.

 

[Jimbythelake]

How do we know that if we don’t know when it was poured? We don’t know when the dirt was poured either.

It only matters if it was pre-Mothers Day. We do know he last worked on the cement site pre Mothers Day.

 

[Jimbythelake]

How do we know that if we don’t know when it was poured? We don’t know when the dirt was poured either.

There can be no confirmed contact w/ Suzanne after Barry finished that job, else they wouldn't dig it up. ????

 

[TMcgee]

It only matters if it was pre-Mothers Day. We do know he last worked on the cement site pre Mothers Day.

Do you have a MSM source stating that the concrete or dirt were known to be poured before Mother’s Day? I haven’t seen that anywhere, yet you’ve made several posts in a row stating it as if it’s a known fact. IMO.

 

[Jimbythelake]

Do you have a MSM source stating that the concrete or dirt were known to be poured before Mother’s Day? I haven’t seen that anywhere, yet you’ve made several posts in a row stating it as if it’s a known fact. IMO.

Okay, cool, Tmcgee.......Barry was away on mothers day at another site, and I have assumed he didn't go to work after Suzanne went missing. That puts the dirt prep work at the cement site – solidly BEFORE mothers day. ????