Found Deceased CO - Suzanne Morphew, 49, did not return from bike ride, Chaffee County, 10 May 2020 #17

[Boxer]

Fair enough. Still want to see all the cases of 50 year old women being stalked.

MOO SM very attractive, and by all reports, nice, so MOO really could be someone's obsession, but there is no evidence that there is a stalker so far doing stalking actions, like being seen on surveillance cameras, car around when it shouldn't be, neighbors noticing a person out of place.

 

[Truecolors]

Moon? That is quite the picture in my mind. Or do you mean swoon?

To moon over means to spend time admiring someone, like all the girls mooned over the new boy in class.

I’m always interested in how slang and phrasal verbs are used differently in in English speaking regions.

 

[Lilypad13]

I posted this link a couple of days ago. There are literally a hundred or so mines in Chaffee County.

https://colorado.hometownlocator.com/features/cultural,class,mine,scfips,08015,startrow,1.cfm

I had no idea there were that many old mines! My heart sank when I saw this...such a good place to hide a body...so many options near their home. Ugh Can a search dog pick up a scent from that depth? I wonder if LE has attempted to search any of those abandoned mines?

 

[oviedo]

MOO SM very attractive, and by all reports, nice, so MOO really could be someone's obsession, but there is no evidence that there is a stalker so far doing stalking actions, like being seen on surveillance cameras, car around when it shouldn't be, neighbors noticing a person out of place.

and there has been nothing released by LE that there is or was a stalker in her life - nothing at all. And they would know IMO. But then again, we know so little about her life, and the house is so isolated and we've heard nothing about her going into town, shopping, groceries, all places to potentially be seen on video but no reports of this at all. No friends have pleaded for LE to find this "stalker" - so I can only conclude there is no stalker and never was based on the limited information we have so far.

Now the bathtub being a perfect drowning spot - that's got potential IMO. just google "wife drowned in tub by husband" - there is even one who it took 19 years to solve.
JMO

 

[Feistyomi]

I wo

Could you give me some examples where this has happened with 50 year old women? I just don’t recall any.

I get that you are a BM fan and don’t think he did it, but that is really against all statistics and odds so I would love to read up on some other cases where some random person stalked and kidnapped a 50 year old woman.

Holly Alcott White
Katherine Smith
These are current. There are several cold cases decades old...
I’m not a BM person, the evidence we have does not convict him. I don’t want SMs case to go cold because we focused only on BM... MHO

 

[enelram]

Or asphyxiation by strangling.
She was a small woman, frail build.
And I know of a local man with big strong arms
and hands. And he reportedly has a temper.

Just sayin'

 

[Tate123]

@branmuffin
snipped: So a freshly killed body in a tub wouldn't have any cadaver chemical smell especially if it was removed fairly quickly. A 110 pound woman would be easy for a fairly strong man to carry down the stairs and out the house.

Do the dogs they used search only for dead people or can they follow the scent of a living person as well?

 

[Fireflize]

but, but...what will MassGuy do with is picture of TB if and when the NFL season will start??

You may be

Haa! We need to take note if he doesn't post during Tampa Bay football games this year!

 

[Feistyomi]

Or asphyxiation by strangling.
She was a small woman, frail build.
And I know of a local man with big strong arms
and hands. And he reportedly has a temper.

Just sayin'

MHO we have only the other party’s version of ONE incident? We aren’t allowed to sleuth that person, for all we know HE had a terrible temper. JMHO

 

[enelram]

@branmuffin
snipped: So a freshly killed body in a tub wouldn't have any cadaver chemical smell especially if it was removed fairly quickly. A 110 pound woman would be easy for a fairly strong man to carry down the stairs and out the house.

Do the dogs they used search only for dead people or can they follow the scent of a living person as well?

Someone previously posted here (K9Enzo ?)
who described different dogs were used to do
different type searches. Live vs. Cadaver.
Maybe she'll answer this definitely.
moo

 

[HongKongPhooey]

To moon over means to spend time admiring someone, like all the girls mooned over the new boy in class.

I’m always interested in how slang and phrasal verbs are used differently in in English speaking regions.

Hmmmmm moon in the uk has quite the different meaning and I suspect (deduce..) that GordianKnot is familiar

 

[LietKynes]

@branmuffin
snipped: So a freshly killed body in a tub wouldn't have any cadaver chemical smell especially if it was removed fairly quickly. A 110 pound woman would be easy for a fairly strong man to carry down the stairs and out the house.

Do the dogs they used search only for dead people or can they follow the scent of a living person as well?

Good question.
In a different thread, another helpful member pointed out to me the difference.
HRD (human remains detection) dogs (not cadaver dogs); and SAR (search and rescue) dogs are trained separately, obviously.
I didn't know that they were called HRD dogs.
I do now.
Sadly, there may be nothing to find in this case.

The msm links say that in the very early days if not the day after LE looked for Suzanne with searchers and SAR dogs.
Nothing. No Suzanne.
Not even a trail leading away from their home.

The word was 'inconclusive' so that might mean the dogs found a scent in and around the home, but not necessarily leading away for miles on a biking trail !
The FBI and CBI were called in a bit later and something obviously alerted LE to make this decision.
Better resources at hand and I think the sheriff in this case knows what he is doing and didn't hesitate to call in the 'big guns'.

If they found anything belonging to her LE aren't talking and I think that's significant.
If LE thought someone had her, we'd be seeing an entirely different investigation.
MOO
Imo.

 

[Truecolors]

Hmmmmm moon in the uk has quite the different meaning and I suspect (deduce..) that GordianKnot is familiar

Yes, to moon has that same meaning here.

But the phrasal verb to moon over has this completely different meaning.

They are as different as to drop and to drop off.

 

[rainbowshummingbird]

Holly Alcott White
Katherine Smith
These are current. There are several cold cases decades old...
I’m not a BM person, the evidence we have does not convict him. I don’t want SMs case to go cold because we focused only on BM... MHO

During the current period of these individuals being stalked, how many intimate partners or spouses were harmed or killed by their significant others? The stalking scenario is unlikely, spousal abuse or homicide, not so unlikely. JMO

 

[10ofRods]

Fair enough. Still want to see all the cases of 50 year old women being stalked.

There are cases. I was stalked in my forties and a friend of mine had a stalker at 50-something. She's an amazing woman and the stalker, while probably meaning little harm, was in his 30's. I know several men who have been stalked in their 50's (by women). My stalker was a woman and it began when I was a bit younger - wasn't exactly "aimed" at me (she was after my ex-husband and it either was or wasn't "romantic" stalking but it continued after a divorce and escalated into her filing lawsuits so that she could have contact with my ex; I had to testify in that case). She actually wanted to *be* me so she could have my ex-husband and started stealing things from my office at work in order to learn about me and try to emulate me.

It was only after Suzanne disappeared that I went and looked this woman up (it's now been almost 20 years since her lawsuit was dismissed and I've not heard or seen her since - I've changed my name and I've moved two times; my ex changed cities altogether). I found out she had died. I have to say that I was relieved when I heard it.

And then there are the "stalkers" like the one in our neighborhood who used her video cameras to learn everyone's patterns and habits and then stole identity from 3 neighbors - IOW, there are many reasons why weirdos do what they do. Police did nothing in any of these cases, including the one with my friend. The only case where police did anything was one colleague (male). Even then, it was only to ban the person from campus, she still showed up at the guy's house.

Even after the enactment of stalking laws, few women report it. By using telephone polls, New Mexico estimates that over 17,000 women had experienced stalking in their state. Nationwide it's 1 in 1000 women.

https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/nij/grants/228354.pdf

Since nearly no one reports stalking according to the above study (and others), it's hard to know the age of the people being stalked. Stalking is an obsession on the part of the stalker, and while obviously most stalkers do not end up killing anyone (intimate partners who stalk after a separation or divorce are way more likely to kill according to the above paper), I do believe it can happen to a 49 year old woman. My friend with the "romantic stalker" is still, at 62, an attractive woman who is internationally known in a particular sport. The stalker has moved on.

This study: https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles/169592.pdf shows that 15% of women who are stalked are over the age of 40.

It cannot be ruled out by using Suzanne's age, is my point.

 

[branmuffin]

I wo

Could you give me some examples where this has happened with 50 year old women? I just don’t recall any.

I get that you are a BM fan and don’t think he did it, but that is really against all statistics and odds so I would love to read up on some other cases where some random person stalked and kidnapped a 50 year old woman.

I think Suzanne looks 50 the way Jennifer Lopez looks 50.

 

[branmuffin]

I had no idea there were that many old mines! My heart sank when I saw this...such a good place to hide a body...so many options near their home. Ugh Can a search dog pick up a scent from that depth? I wonder if LE has attempted to search any of those abandoned mines?

Quite likely, but those filled with water would make it more difficult. I was shocked when I found out how many there are. And that was just one county. And mining for many different minerals.

 

[Minordetails]

No friends have pleaded for LE to find this "stalker" - so I can only conclude there is no stalker and never was based on the limited information we have so far.
JMO

Does she have friends? I haven’t heard any pleading for anything, from anyone other than BM and the nephew, a long time ago.

 

[MrsWatson]

@Feistyomi , I just read several articles about Holly Alcott White and I didn't see even one reference to her having a stalker. Could you link that information for me?

I wasn't really able to find much on the other, too common of a name, so if you have any information on that case, I'd be interested in that well.

I'm interested because I am in the same age range. I keep hoping I'm going to age out of the possible victim age.

TIA!

 

[Feistyomi]

MOO SM very attractive, and by all reports, nice, so MOO really could be someone's obsession, but there is no evidence that there is a stalker so far doing stalking actions, like being seen on surveillance cameras, car around when it shouldn't be, neighbors noticing a person out of place.

It’s a rural area, not as much surveillance. Stalking could have begun in Salidas. RV park has trails wrapping around Ms home, spy from there, drones? telescope?
I posed the possibility this began as a burglary surveillance and evolved. Covid a factor? IMO, the remoteness does point to someone familiar w/ the area.