Found Deceased CO - Suzanne Morphew, 49, did not return from bike ride, Chaffee County, 10 May 2020 #22

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  • #921
bbm
But for half an hour only, what could you have managed in that short time span? :confused: And why would you do it late in the evening/rather night, if it wasn't extensive work? (... until the neighbor is looking out of her door?) BM or staff even knew, the neighbor had an eye on the building site as agreed. - Strange.

I think this is a fascinating topic. MOO, but if it was indeed BM causing the noise, it seems like three possible scenarios:


-That little bit of work was supposed to completed earlier in the day on Saturday but wasn’t. BM was not onsite Saturday to compete the work so In order to keep the project on time, he had to complete it Saturday night since he was going to Denver on Sunday.

-That work was going to be completed on Sunday but BM had an urgent change of plans and had to be in Denver Sunday and in order to keep the project on track, the work was completed Saturday night.

-No work was completed but machinery at the site needed to be moved or taken to a new site.

No matter which scenario, 11:30pm on Saturday is a very unnatural time.

I’d really to curious to learn about the alleged takeout food order as that day and time stamp of a known ‘last seen’ would put an interesting spin on the Saturday night alleged activity.
 
  • #922
My take on TN imploring the public to ask about the bike is that it all originated from Barry. Essentially, TN was Barry’s spokesperson. Barry thought if the public knew the bike was damaged then it would lend credence to the other scenarios that he had brought forth. Someone hit Suzanne on her bike and then abducted her. SEE the bike is damaged and so this proves it. Suzanne was a victim of a hit and run, SEE the bike is damaged and this proves it. Suzanne had a bike accident that resulted in her becoming disoriented which caused her to get in the water and ultimately disappear; LOOK at the bike damage, this PROVES it!

IMO

^^^^^^
Absolutely, exactly, amen. Transparent to LE. BM was just beside himself, when LE didn't read the bike the way it was set up to mislead them. Moo of course.
 
  • #923
On facebook, there are groups and yes, you'd search Suzanne Morphew. I found them to be very one-sided in favor of BM.
This was a while ago but according to a few here, it still seems to be the case.
Good!
 
  • #924
My take on TN imploring the public to ask about the bike is that it all originated from Barry. Essentially, TN was Barry’s spokesperson. Barry thought if the public knew the bike was damaged then it would lend credence to the other scenarios that he had brought forth. Someone hit Suzanne on her bike and then abducted her. SEE the bike is damaged and so this proves it. Suzanne was a victim of a hit and run, SEE the bike is damaged and this proves it. Suzanne had a bike accident that resulted in her becoming disoriented which caused her to get in the water and ultimately disappear; LOOK at the bike damage, this PROVES it!

IMO
I couldn't agree with you more. There is one thing in common with all of these labyrinthine theories floating around, and that is BM. He's the consummate pitchman.
Abductions, wildlife attacks, hit and runs, family threats...you name it, he has it and can shamelessly find a family member or friend to promote it.
 
  • #925
Exactly. If there were texts, which I do think there probably were, then I would expect those unanswered texts to be followed by multiple phone calls.

I think liberties are being taken here.

Also, by saying the husband isn’t involved, they are making it a juicer story. Mystery sells, and they are a tv network after all.
Exactly. If I text my daughter a few times, and she doesn't reply, if I am concerned about her, I begin calling. I don't just keep texting. I think that is standard response from most people.
 
  • #926
My take on TN imploring the public to ask about the bike is that it all originated from Barry. Essentially, TN was Barry’s spokesperson. Barry thought if the public knew the bike was damaged then it would lend credence to the other scenarios that he had brought forth. Someone hit Suzanne on her bike and then abducted her. SEE the bike is damaged and so this proves it. Suzanne was a victim of a hit and run, SEE the bike is damaged and this proves it. Suzanne had a bike accident that resulted in her becoming disoriented which caused her to get in the water and ultimately disappear; LOOK at the bike damage, this PROVES it!

IMO

I think you're spot on here.
AFAIK, his nephew TN was not on site when the bike was recovered, and BM allegedly saw/heard it'd been handled by multiple people.
It was BM himself, that allegedly saw the damaged bike, with the tire this way or that, so clearly it was BM himself was the source of TN's information on it.

jmo
 
  • #927
I’m very curious if there have been any other instances of MSM stating that a POI or obvious main suspect has been cleared as ID Channel did today, when apparently that is untrue?

The audacity, not to mention impact to their brand’s credibility seems outrageous. ID is not National Inquirer. And as I believe someone else mentioned, how did that make it past their legal department?

If this was in fact a click-bait post, ID has hit the skids man! MOO.
Still catching up this morning so this may have already been addressed - but - I think the only way that could have been legally allowed to air, is because they likely got that information from BM himself, in his alleged non-staged interview with the youtuber TD.
He IS on camera, stating he's been cleared (or however he worded it).
If they'd have done their homework, they'd know the CCSO has in fact not cleared BM.
And maybe they did, but opted to run with BM's version instead, for whatever reason.
Click-bait? Sure, why not? It works.
I see LOTS of sites I used to respect, doing that very thing.

jmo
 
  • #928
Help me out sleuthers didn’t Frazee make a comment that he didn’t realize it would be national news that Kelsey was missing or was that Dulos with Jennifer ? Did this influence someone ? I really want to know those computer searches if there were any ?
All JMO
IIRC, Frazee said something like "people disappear every day!!" in response to the large search/LE effort. He couldn't believe that anyone was putting much effort into a search. Idiot.
 
  • #929
i finally left one of those SM fb groups. not only were they so pro-BM that if you said anything slightly negative about him or questioned the narrative, you'd get jumped on, but at the same time, they were making memes implying he was guilty (like pics of him in jail and stuff). it was absolutely ridiculous and gross. (and confusing?) i have a pretty high tolerance for fb groups bc i do like reading the insider info they sometimes attract, but this one was absurd. i am in one now that is pretty fair and balanced, and there is even a girl writing a dissertation on the case, so she asks some really fantastic questions that makes for good discussion, and it (usually) stays civil. it also has a very good friend of BM's in it. that's always interesting. ;)

there are a few... the one i joined renamed itself not too long ago but does seem fair.... probably the same one you have joined
 
  • #930
<modsnip: quoted post was removed> I'm all for LE. I am just worried they went to focusing only on Barry in the beginning and not enough on campsites, others (drifters) and whoever else was around there. I still say this was definitely an abduction! MOO
 
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  • #931
I am still on the fence about this one. She initially thought it was a truck engine running. Many people fit the story to the crime for a bit of attention, or a for a bit of excitement.
I find it somewhat odd that she said she saw a man and a woman without elaborating. Most people would have said where they saw them, they were on the machinery, or walking away from the site, or near a car. She heard something. Was it really for half an hour? Was it a truck idling or machinery? Why the lack of details about the man and the woman she saw, were they tall or short? I am on the fence and l am leaning towards she heard something and her account had a bit of embellishment as it happened the night before her disappearance and local gossip would have it that BM worked on the site. MOO

I have a different opinion based on what the woman (MB) reporting the construction machinery/engine noise said. This relates to other points she made which could be readily corroborated (or otherwise) by LE.
She reported visiting the building site the next day to ask the workers whether they left machinery keys on site and was told that they sometimes did, but that they were hidden out of sight. She was being a watchful neighbor, concerned about what was going on at the construction site out-of-hours, and she was interviewed by police after reporting this.
LE is the best placed to know whether or not MB "embellished" her story and they'll be able to do that by comparing what she said during police interviews with subsequently reported comments.

Another point I'd like to make is that MB reported hearing the noise continue for around half an hour. She also stated that the noise had woken her up. We do not know how long she was asleep before the noise woke her up. That would depend on many factors, including what stage of sleep she was in, whether she had taken night sedation, had alcohol before retiring, etc. We cannot make the presumption that the machinery was being operated for half an hour at most. Many, if not all of us at some point in our lives, will have incorporated real, external sounds into what we are dreaming about before we are fully awake, while our brain tries to make sense of the noise. The type of noise can make a big difference too. Something sudden, loud and atypical - such as hearing gunshot is more likely to startle someone into waking up. This woman lives next door to a building site and machinery noises will be commonplace while building work is going on. Sometimes we can justify or make excuses for such noises occurring outside their earlier defining parameters. We often recalibrate our thinking further down the path - again, a common phenomenon -especially when our brains are busy processing other information of greater priority.
A typical example of this is something that happened to me only yesterday. I saw a colleague/friend I hadn't seen for a few weeks who works a regular rota at the hospital I'm in. It was great to see her during her scheduled duty hours. I justified to myself that she was on duty as it was her normal working pattern. Only it wasn't. And logically, I knew it wasn't. I hadn't paid it any attention - I'd deemed her appearance non- significant on account of its normalcy.

It was in the evening when my mind/brain wasn't quite so busy with other things that I found myself thinking "hang on, that's not J's usual shift pattern - she doesn't usually work that time" I obviously would have thought it atypical pretty much straight away, that had she turned up on duty not ever having worked there before! (like the gunshot analogy).
It was only when my brain/mind was unpacked of other higher priority items and was "quieter" that I recalibrated my thinking accordingly.

I'm curious about another point you made: i.e. the report that MB saw a male and female on the construction site around the same time she heard the machinery noise. I haven't seen this before, so would be really grateful for a link/reference so that I can read about it further (thank you in advance).

My comment here relates to there being a question mark over the paucity of information about these two people.
The fact is that we - the public - are not automatically entitled to any of that information, especially if LE has deemed it sufficiently significant that they need to withhold it, as to release it might put their investigation in jeopardy. If they've intentionally kept it quiet, they'll have good reason for doing so.

I'm very much on the side of LE doing this, and see it as a hallmark of professionalism and informed decision-making on their part. The integrity of an investigation must always take precedence.
 
  • #932
<modsnip: quoted post was removed> I'm all for LE. I am just worried they went to focusing only on Barry in the beginning and not enough on campsites, others (drifters) and whoever else was around there. I still say this was definitely an abduction! MOO

Truth is, the general public has no idea how the CCSO has handled the local campsites, drifters, or any other person that was around on Mother's Day weekend.
We do know, from what they've told the public, it's an extensive, ongoing investigation with multiple LE agencies assisting with their fields of expertise, where numerous searches have already taken place.
I believe this is a highly competent group of professionals, that are following the evidence where it leads, and will eventually arrest the person guilty of making SM disappear.

jmo
 
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  • #933
I couldn't agree with you more. There is one thing in common with all of these labyrinthine theories floating around, and that is BM. He's the consummate pitchman.
Abductions, wildlife attacks, hit and runs, family threats...you name it, he has it and can shamelessly find a family member or friend to promote it.

Ironically, the very LE agency investigating this hasn't confirmed or even hinted that any of these are true, likely, or even being considered.
 
  • #934
bbm
But for half an hour only, what could you have managed in that short time span? :confused: And why would you do it late in the evening/rather night, if it wasn't extensive work? (... until the neighbor is looking out of her door?) BM or staff even knew, the neighbor had an eye on the building site as agreed. - Strange.

I agree with you that it does sound odd. One point I'd like to make briefly here (I've made it more extensively on another post in the last few minutes) is that the woman (MB) reporting the noise said that it went on for around half an hour.
This was after she woke up - we do not know - and neither will she - how long the noise was going on before she fully woke up. She reports that it made her sit bolt upright, but that does not mean that she woke up immediately on the noise starting. She woke up when she thought it started (the two are quite different and I explain in much more detail in my other post).
MB could well have been asleep for much longer than she realised before her brain registered that the noise was significant/atypical.
 
  • #935
<modsnip: quoted post was removed> I'm all for LE. I am just worried they went to focusing only on Barry in the beginning and not enough on campsites, others (drifters) and whoever else was around there. I still say this was definitely an abduction! MOO
I think it's a safe assumption that the CBI and FBI (not to mention the Sheriff's Dept) are generally dedicated and competent at what they do. They train rigorously. There are many tools at their disposal. Look at their prior cases and history to get a feel. (Not their first rodeos by far).

Silence means they are protecting the case, making sure evidence and info is not leaked and both sides (state and any POIs) get a fair shake. Assuming professionals have tunnel vision, they have nothing, they are just harassing one guy, they have not investigated all the things sleuthers think they need to look at, is (IMO) a fallacy.

IMO
 
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  • #936
Ironically, the very LE agency investigating this hasn't confirmed or even hinted that any of these are true, likely, or even being considered.
Agreed.
I believe suicide and voluntary disappearance aren't being suggested as likely, either.
My opinion is that these possibilities have been ruled out for the time being, by LE.
So what do we have left ?
 
  • #937
Ironically, the very LE agency investigating this hasn't confirmed or even hinted that any of these are true, likely, or even being considered.
LE has also not endorsed any other theory as being true, likely, or even being considered IMO
 
  • #938
<modsnip: quoted post was removed> I'm all for LE. I am just worried they went to focusing only on Barry in the beginning and not enough on campsites, others (drifters) and whoever else was around there. I still say this was definitely an abduction! MOO
If it was an abduction why didn't LE issue a warning?
They never issued a warning to the public.
 
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  • #939
I agree with you that it does sound odd. One point I'd like to make briefly here (I've made it more extensively on another post in the last few minutes) is that the woman (MB) reporting the noise said that it went on for around half an hour.
This was after she woke up - we do not know - and neither will she - how long the noise was going on before she fully woke up. She reports that it made her sit bolt upright, but that does not mean that she woke up immediately on the noise starting. She woke up when she thought it started (the two are quite different and I explain in much more detail in my other post).
MB could well have been asleep for much longer than she realised before her brain registered that the noise was significant/atypical.
Excellent information!
 
  • #940
just wanted to say thank you so much for being here, @OldCop ! i absolutely love reading your informative posts. i have so much respect for your opinion on this case, (and others), and it really helps to hear first-hand how all this works within LE.
Thank you, @swedeheart. :)
 
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