Found Deceased CO - Suzanne Morphew, 49, did not return from bike ride, Chaffee County, 10 May 2020 #25

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  • #281
SBM
You may very well be right. I admittedly don't get it. What are his pressure points that LE is hitting with this canvass? Did they hit the same points when they staged the same scene (with zero results as far as we know) a month or so ago?

BBM:

As far as pressure points, there are any number of possibilities.
It could be the store the photograph shows them walking into with the flyers (is it a gas station?)
It could be the photos they selected for the flyer, which may have special meaning to the perp, either because of when or where they were taken, or because of the occasion.
It could be the omission of the bike ride narrative.
It could be the mention of the CBI and the FBI, along with CCSO.
It could be the appeal to the public to come forward with information rather than asking the public to BOLO for SM.

It could be all of the above.

We don't know what we don't know.
I think there are some buttons being pushed that we (the public) don't know about.
But I think LE knows a lot of what we don't know.
Scratch that: I know LE knows a lot of what we don't know, if you know what I mean.

They're maintaining a perfect poker face.
The fact that LE isn't showing their hand doesn't mean they aren't holding aces.
Just because we don't see the evidence they've gathered doesn't mean they haven't gathered evidence.

I think they're building this case very patiently and methodically.
I think they could arrest someone today based on what they have, but they're not ready to give up on finding SM, because they don't yet think they've exhausted every potential lead.

So there's that.

JMO.
 
  • #282
I log off social media and I wonder if Lauren Scharf had a good day?
 
  • #283
Some people that have been interviewed by MSM (including Profiling Evil) in this case have been willing to be identified and others have not. IIRC most of those who were identified by the MSM were friends or relatives of BLM and those who were not willing to be identified were friends or relatives of SM. IMO virtually all commenters here on WS have sided with and/or given more weight to the anonymous sources than the identified sources. IMO This is interesting because its the opposite of most cases. I wonder why that is the case here.
 
  • #284
Today I was asking myself, what is the one piece of info about this case that I’d most like to know. If LE were to give me one single morsel. It’s tough to pick, but I’d go with, “when was the last time anyone communicated with SM, since it was later than LE originally thought.”

I've thought a lot about this. I think authorities are most likely excluding BM from this inquiry. I'm also not sure if the reference is last live sighting or last contact (phone/text/msgr).

If last live sighting, I think authorities learned about SM meeting with Scot, bike mechanic, on Thursday later during the investigation. I think the Thursday live sighting may have been later than authorities believed.

Also, if investigators waited on phone forensics to verify communication between SM and her BFF on Saturday afternoon to the early evening before acknowledging the contact-- I think this could have been later contact than previously believed.

Due to the pandemic, I know several people whose last live contact was probably weeks ago. It would be a nightmare to produce a timeline here!!

MOO
 
  • #285
Lol -- when I said I just learned this, the conversation was something like this: I don't want shell casings.. do I want a pistol or a revolver? :p:p

People are on the right track but to help clear up the proper terms.

The previous "revolver" discussion was about right, but the word "pistol" is really just a word meaning any handgun.

My Dad and family were a hunting family so I picked up some knowledge along the way about them. Lets have a quick Gun101 class to help get the terms right for this and future cases. Some other terms can be used for some of these. This gives a basic breakdown using the common terms I am used to IMO.

First,
there are 2 basic types of guns.
Either "Long Guns" (rifles, shotguns, etc.) or
"Handguns" / "Pistols".

Secondly,
in the Handgun variety specifically, there are also primarily 2 basic types of handguns.
Either "Revolvers" or
"Semi-Automatics"

The "Semi-Automatic" handguns are the type that have the clip in the handle and eject an empty shell casing after each shot.

The "Revolver" is the type of handgun that has a cylinder that rotates around the barrel where 1 shell always lines up with the barrel. As you squeeze the trigger on a double-action revolver, it will rotate the cylinder to line up the next round with the barrel. After firing, the empty shell casings remain in the cylinder. After firing all rounds (usually 5 or 6 in a revolver), you usually pull a small leaver which opens the cylinder to the side to dump out the empty casings. Then reload the entire cylinder with new shells and you are ready to go again.

With a "Semi-Automatic" handgun like the Glock 9mm, the shells are loaded into a "magazine" usually called a "clip" which goes into the bottom of the handle and shoved upwards till it locks in place. Then after "racking the slide" (puts 1 shell in chamber), you can fire, and it ejects the empty shell casing out the side and "auto-loads" the next shell into the chamber for you so all you have to do is keep pulling the trigger and it will keep firing shells until your clip is empty.

Last but not least, we must understand the terms of the "round" or "shell" itself. A live round consists of a "bullet" on the end (usually lead or copper-jacketed lead tip bullets). The "bullet" is the projectile that comes out and does the damage.

Behind the bullet is usally some form of "wadding" material or plastic separator to keep the bullet positioned properly over the top of the gunpowder. The gunpowder is near the bottom of the shell.

On the very bottom there will be a "Primer". The "Primer" is usually a small circular explosive that the "hammer" of the gun falls onto and it explodes upon impact.

The small explosion of the "primer" sets off the main charge of the gunpowder which gives you the big boom and all the explosive gasses force the top lead bullet portion to fly out of the shell casing and head for its target.

The "Shell casing" is usually made of brass or copper for regular bullets, but it can be plastic like in shotgun shells. Shotgun shells can have a single lead slug as a projectile, but typically they will have small BB's inside a shotgun shell and they scatter when leaving the shotgun to cause a "spread of damage".

Shotguns are long guns like rifles and they can be either Semi-automatic variety where the empty shell casings fly out of the gun, or they can be manual type action like a pump-action or lever-action or bolt-action where the person has to manually load the next shell by working the action. In most all cases with shotguns or rifles (either semi-auto or pump-action, bolt-action, or lever-action), they will eject an empty shell casing when loading the next round.

Sorry that kind of got long. Hope this helps some.
 
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  • #286
People are on the right track but to help clear up the proper terms.

The previous "revolver" discussion was about right, but the word "pistol" is really just a word meaning any handgun.

My Dad and family were a hunting family so I picked up some knowledge along the way about them. Lets have a quick Gun101 class to help get the terms right for this and future cases. Some other terms can be used for some of these. This gives a basic breakdown using the common terms I am used to IMO.

First,
there are 2 basic types of guns.
Either "Long Guns" (rifles, shotguns, etc.) or
"Handguns" / "Pistols".

Secondly,
in the Handgun variety specifically, there are also primarily 2 basic types of handguns.
Either "Revolvers" or
"Semi-Automatics"

The "Semi-Automatic" handguns are the type that have the clip in the handle and eject an empty shell casing after each shot.

The "Revolver" is the type of handgun that has a cylinder that rotates around the barrel where 1 shell always lines up with the barrel. After firing, the cylinder just rotates and the empty shell casing remains in the cylinder. After firing all rounds (usually 5 or 6 in a revolver), you usually pull a small leaver which opens the cylinder to the side to dump out the empty casings. Then reload the entire cylinder with new shells and you are ready to go again.

With a "Semi-Automatic" handgun like the Glock 9mm, the shells are loaded into a "magazine" usually called a "clip" which goes into the bottom of the handle and shoved upwards till it locks in place. Then after "racking the slide" (puts 1 shell in chamber), you can fire, and it ejects the empty shell casing out the side and "auto-loads" the next shell into the chamber for you so all you have to do is keep pulling the trigger and it will keep firing shells until your clip is empty.

Last but not least, we must understand the terms of the "round" or "shell" itself. A live round consists of a "bullet" on the end (usually lead or copper-jacketed lead tip bullets). The "bullet" is the projectile that comes out and does the damage.

Behind the bullet is usally some form of "wadding" material or plastic separator to keep the bullet positioned properly over the top of the gunpowder. The gunpowder is near the bottom of the shell.

On the very bottom there will be a "Primer". The "Primer" is usually a small circular explosive that the "hammer" of the gun falls onto and it explodes upon impact.

The small explosion of the "primer" sets off the main charge of the gunpowder which gives you the big boom and all the explosive gasses force the top lead bullet portion to fly out of the shell casing and head for its target.

The "Shell casing" is usually made of copper for regular bullets, but it can be plastic like in shotgun shells. Shotgun shells can have a single lead slug as a projectile, but typically they will have small BB's inside a shotgun shell and they scatter when leaving the shotgun to cause a "spread of damage".

Shotguns are long guns like rifles and they can be either Semi-automatic variety where the empty shell casings fly out of the gun, or they can be manual type action like a pump-action or lever-action or bolt-action where the person has to manually load the next shell by working the action. In most all cases with shotguns or rifles (either semi-auto or pump-action, bolt-action, or lever-action), they will eject an empty shell casing when loading the next round.

Sorry that kind of got long. Hope this helps some.

Brilliant!!!

So I think I still want a revolver, right? Albeit a semi-automatic with a clip would be the ticket if one wants to go gangster and fire many rounds without interruption to load ammunition. And collect the casings.
 
  • #287
Some people that have been interviewed by MSM (including Profiling Evil) in this case have been willing to be identified and others have not. IIRC most of those who were identified by the MSM were friends or relatives of BLM and those who were not willing to be identified were friends or relatives of SM. IMO virtually all commenters here on WS have sided with and/or given more weight to the anonymous sources than the identified sources. IMO This is interesting because its the opposite of most cases. I wonder why that is the case here.

Wonder why? It has 100% to do with Barry's lack of cooperation on any level with those who may have been able to save Suzanne, what's to respect???It isn't a matter of choosing sides, IMO.
 
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  • #288
Brilliant!!!

So I think I still want a revolver, right? Albeit a semi-automatic with a clip would be the ticket if one wants to go gangster and fire many rounds without interruption to load ammunition. And collect the casings.

JMO
I personally love revolvers because I feel they are a little safer in some ways. I like a double-action revolver (not a single-action revolver) which allows me to either 🤬🤬🤬🤬 back the hammer and take careful aim before firing OR if I want to quickly fire away at like a murderer attacking me, then I can keep squeezing the trigger over and over again until all shells fired. I love revolvers and my favorite is my .357 S+W for home protection and Taurus makes a smaller .380 revolver that would do well for conceal-carry.

I will say though, when lots of practice with Semi-autos, they become nice as well and lots (if not most) people prefer a Semi-Auto for protection. To me, I just dont practice enough regularly to feel as comfortable as I do with my revolver .357 S+W.

Taurus .380 ACP UL Revolver Review
 
  • #289
Brilliant!!!

So I think I still want a revolver, right? Albeit a semi-automatic with a clip would be the ticket if one wants to go gangster and fire many rounds without interruption to load ammunition. And collect the casings.
For protection (not murdering), I’d go with a semi automatic handgun. My beautiful, girly daughter likes her Sig Sauer p365. It’s a smaller size for concealed carry. Welcome to Texas!
 
  • #290
Exactly. It's been reported that investigators traveled to Indiana last week. And no coincidence that SM family decided to speak after the visit.

IMO It could be that up until now they just hadn't been told anything worth leaking.
 
  • #291
DBM
 
  • #292
People are on the right track but to help clear up the proper terms.

The previous "revolver" discussion was about right, but the word "pistol" is really just a word meaning any handgun.

My Dad and family were a hunting family so I picked up some knowledge along the way about them. Lets have a quick Gun101 class to help get the terms right for this and future cases. Some other terms can be used for some of these. This gives a basic breakdown using the common terms I am used to IMO.

First,
there are 2 basic types of guns.
Either "Long Guns" (rifles, shotguns, etc.) or
"Handguns" / "Pistols".

Secondly,
in the Handgun variety specifically, there are also primarily 2 basic types of handguns.
Either "Revolvers" or
"Semi-Automatics"

The "Semi-Automatic" handguns are the type that have the clip in the handle and eject an empty shell casing after each shot.

The "Revolver" is the type of handgun that has a cylinder that rotates around the barrel where 1 shell always lines up with the barrel. As you squeeze the trigger on a double-action revolver, it will rotate the cylinder to line up the next round with the barrel. After firing, the empty shell casings remain in the cylinder. After firing all rounds (usually 5 or 6 in a revolver), you usually pull a small leaver which opens the cylinder to the side to dump out the empty casings. Then reload the entire cylinder with new shells and you are ready to go again.

With a "Semi-Automatic" handgun like the Glock 9mm, the shells are loaded into a "magazine" usually called a "clip" which goes into the bottom of the handle and shoved upwards till it locks in place. Then after "racking the slide" (puts 1 shell in chamber), you can fire, and it ejects the empty shell casing out the side and "auto-loads" the next shell into the chamber for you so all you have to do is keep pulling the trigger and it will keep firing shells until your clip is empty.

Last but not least, we must understand the terms of the "round" or "shell" itself. A live round consists of a "bullet" on the end (usually lead or copper-jacketed lead tip bullets). The "bullet" is the projectile that comes out and does the damage.

Behind the bullet is usally some form of "wadding" material or plastic separator to keep the bullet positioned properly over the top of the gunpowder. The gunpowder is near the bottom of the shell.

On the very bottom there will be a "Primer". The "Primer" is usually a small circular explosive that the "hammer" of the gun falls onto and it explodes upon impact.

The small explosion of the "primer" sets off the main charge of the gunpowder which gives you the big boom and all the explosive gasses force the top lead bullet portion to fly out of the shell casing and head for its target.

The "Shell casing" is usually made of copper for regular bullets, but it can be plastic like in shotgun shells. Shotgun shells can have a single lead slug as a projectile, but typically they will have small BB's inside a shotgun shell and they scatter when leaving the shotgun to cause a "spread of damage".

Shotguns are long guns like rifles and they can be either Semi-automatic variety where the empty shell casings fly out of the gun, or they can be manual type action like a pump-action or lever-action or bolt-action where the person has to manually load the next shell by working the action. In most all cases with shotguns or rifles (either semi-auto or pump-action, bolt-action, or lever-action), they will eject an empty shell casing when loading the next round.

Sorry that kind of got long. Hope this helps some.
Wow, fascinating! I don’t have a lot of knowledge about guns and find this info very helpful, thank you so much for taking the time to explain.
 
  • #293
Sorry, my wording was obviously confusing. My speculations were for 3 places the ring might have been (in the house, on the road as the “found item”, or gone). I didn’t mean to imply in any way that LE lied.

JMO, BM would want the ring for the daughters. I understand that others disagree.

Well, if she always wore it and only a crazy thief or abductor could have gotten it off her finger, then if it's found somewhere, that points to abductor.

Unless, of course, someone else took it off her hand (so that the girls could have it later). If she really never took it off, then it should be missing along with her - unless a criminal took it from her and then dropped it.

I did misunderstand your point though - the ring is worth discussing and clarifying, for sure. It now seems to be more important that thought.

And of course, it could still have been found under the concrete and now identified, later, as hers. It's really doubtful, but in most murders, there are these crazy details that the rest of us would have an awful hard time thinking up. If it *was* there, then we are dealing with one really, um, bat-excrement-crazy person. Someone with one of those crazy intermittent psychoses. IMO.
 
  • #294
Today I was asking myself, what is the one piece of info about this case that I’d most like to know. If LE were to give me one single morsel. It’s tough to pick, but I’d go with, “when was the last time anyone communicated with SM, since it was later than LE originally thought.”
We were given that gift, IMO. Texting with her best friend on Saturday 5/9/20 mid-evening. Did you miss that tidbit which we learned the last few days?
 
  • #295
Well, if she always wore it and only a crazy thief or abductor could have gotten it off her finger, then if it's found somewhere, that points to abductor.

Unless, of course, someone else took it off her hand (so that the girls could have it later). If she really never took it off, then it should be missing along with her - unless a criminal took it from her and then dropped it.

I did misunderstand your point though - the ring is worth discussing and clarifying, for sure. It now seems to be more important that thought.

And of course, it could still have been found under the concrete and now identified, later, as hers. It's really doubtful, but in most murders, there are these crazy details that the rest of us would have an awful hard time thinking up. If it *was* there, then we are dealing with one really, um, bat-excrement-crazy person. Someone with one of those crazy intermittent psychoses. IMO.
Yeah, I think it's significant if the ring was found in the home and she normally did not remove it for a bike ride. When we discussed this earlier some people said they removed their rings (because of the gloves worn when riding) and others said they didn't. So it depends on what was normal for her.
 
  • #296
IMO It could be that up until now they just hadn't been told anything worth leaking.

Commenting yes, but I don't consider telling the world BM refused polygraph, inadmissible evidence to begin with, or BM not forthcoming with police according to GPS, leaking.

None of that is critical information that will jeopardize the prosecution. Don't forget the suspect whether it turns out to be BM or other has to prove anything. That falls on the prosecutor.

MOO
 
  • #297
Some people that have been interviewed by MSM (including Profiling Evil) in this case have been willing to be identified and others have not. IIRC most of those who were identified by the MSM were friends or relatives of BLM and those who were not willing to be identified were friends or relatives of SM. IMO virtually all commenters here on WS have sided with and/or given more weight to the anonymous sources than the identified sources. IMO This is interesting because its the opposite of most cases. I wonder why that is the case here.
BBM:

Simply stated, here's why I don't give an ounce of credence to any of BM's friends or relatives of BM's who've been interviewed by MSM:

I view BM as a puppeteer who's manipulating his friends and family members.
He's pulling their strings to get them to say what he wants the audience to hear.
Whenever friends/family of BM's open their mouths, it's basically him talking.

And I don't believe a word he's said…aside from the fact that he purportedly said that he's the last person who saw SM alive.

Now that, I believe.

JMO.
 
  • #298
Some people that have been interviewed by MSM (including Profiling Evil) in this case have been willing to be identified and others have not. IIRC most of those who were identified by the MSM were friends or relatives of BLM and those who were not willing to be identified were friends or relatives of SM. IMO virtually all commenters here on WS have sided with and/or given more weight to the anonymous sources than the identified sources. IMO This is interesting because its the opposite of most cases. I wonder why that is the case here.
I think it’s the case here because many of Barry’s comments have been untrue. For example, his comment that he had been cleared by LE was refuted by LE when they referred Lauren Scharf back to their prior statement which stated that no one had been cleared. From LE, there has been no specific refutation of the family’s comments which leads me to believe that their comments were true.

Also, Suzanne’s family comes off as sober, respectable and drama averse; so although their comments are anonymous they’re still more credible than Barry and Barry’s buddies. Since they are relatives of Suzanne, I tend to think they have more information about the case than Barry’s hunting buddy might have. You also have to consider the reporters of the anonymous family members comments, Lauren Scharf and Profiling Evil are pretty solid; it’s not like reading hearsay in National Enquirer.

It’s not that folks on WS have a bias for anonymous vs identified sources or vice versa; what we have is a truth bias.
 
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  • #299
We were given that gift, IMO. Texting with her best friend on Saturday 5/9/20 mid-evening. Did you miss that tidbit which we learned the last few days?
No, but that’s what got me thinking. Many on this site think that LE has known about the 5/9 texting from the beginning. As in, this friend would have reached out to them immediately after SM’s disappearance. So what do they have that is “later” than that.
 
  • #300
BBM:

Simply stated, here's why I don't give an ounce of credence to any of BM's friends or relatives of BM's who've been interviewed by MSM:

I view BM as a puppeteer who's manipulating his friends and family members.
He's pulling their strings to get them to say what he wants the audience to hear.
Whenever friends/family of BM's open their mouths, it's basically him talking.

And I don't believe a word he's said…aside from the fact that he purportedly said that he's the last person who saw SM alive.

Now that, I believe.

JMO.
I'll add something to your thoughts on that, I feel the same way.

I'm very curious why two people who were reportedly very close to BM, one who spoke out for him initially, are silent?

Trevor Noel, BM's nephew was very vocal. Soon after he went silent and removed himself from the gimme fund, crickets ...

George Davis, BM's close friend (and partner on the construction job) who he had to communicate through when LE took his cell phone. Nothing from him vouching for his good buddy?
 
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