Found Deceased CO - Suzanne Morphew, 49, did not return from bike ride, Chaffee County, 10 May 2020 #3

[K9Enzo]

Of course it would be a case by case basis, but maybe a checklist for L.E. used to trigger the test written by the best. Would eliminate any L.E. connected perps imo also as a bonus besides soft heart lead L.E.

I was attempting to make the point that time is critical in missing persons cases - you don't have the luxury of time and stalling an investigation to ask for polygraphs. You don't start there, you may end of there at some point. (IMO).

IMO, polygraphs are just a tool. IMO, during an investigation LE can also tell you that you failed questions on a polygraph, when in fact you didn't, they want to see your reaction. They can tell you that your buddy ratted you out, when they didn't. Truthful people can fail them and liars can sometimes pass them. I digress....

 

[susiQ]

Hoping for UPDATES soon from LE, preferably with good news.

It’s always what we hope for, but sadly, rarely what we get

 

[Jackielee09]

Yes, Mark understood the quicker he was cleared, the sooner LE would focus elsewhere.

Never ever take a polygraph. Ever. Never. Ever.

 

[scdiv]

Re lie detector tests.
If asked for too early, there is also the risk that a potential suspect would clam up, stop cooperating, and retain an attorney before LE had an opportunity to speak to the guy, catch him in lies, contradictions or changing stories, assess behavior etc, and keep an eye on him while investigating.

Absolutely. Often times, it's actually great if the suspect tells a bunch of lies. Then you have on record what they claim and can start poking holes in the story. There's a saying, "Lie to me. Please lie to me." Sometimes a provable lie is just as good as the truth.

 

[happyday]

Never ever take a polygraph. Ever. Never. Ever.

I agree. Everyone knows by now they’re unreliable & can’t be used in court. Since it’s so well known it’s not even useful in trying to trip up a suspect anymore— so I don’t even know why they still exist.

 

[Razz]

An earring, necklace...medic alert bracelet...

I'm thinking something quite obvious...something that can be seen from a distance.....something that LE knows is hers. The helmet.

 

[happyday]

This quiet is making me so sad for Suzanne. I just hope a lot is going on behind the scenes. Her poor girls.

 

[moonriverfarm]

Maybe they found her fanny pack/camelback?

 

[10ofRods]

Just me, but I would lean against self-harm solely because they haven’t found her. My reasoning is, that if I ever came to that decision, I would at minimum want someone to find me, I wouldn’t kill myself where I could be eaten by a bear or mountain lion or other wild animal. I couldn’t do that to my family. I would at least give them the closure they need to grieve and continue to live.

In our town, a beautiful teen killed himself. He left a loving letter to his family and posted something on his SM that gave enough clues as to where they would find him. Hanging in the local woods. So incredibly sad .

She loved her family. She wouldn’t leave them in “limbo.”
JMHO

Suicide can work in many ways. I agree it would be a long shot, but there was that young man in Washington who walked off as if going to sports practice, and apparently jumped off a bridge. I know they've searched the reservoir (is it even in the area where her bike was found?)

I do agree that it would be unusual.

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But many suicides do not leave notes. And some are combining methods (taking pills, drinking, driving in a car or whatever). I agree it's weird that she took off on her bike in this situation. But I do wonder if something went wrong on the bike ride that could have been a final straw - and resulted in a stalk-off. That would be a kind of self-harm in the situation (as opposed to walking back to the house via the dirt road).

 

[MimosaMornings]

A-ha!! This is what I was suspecting...
& thanks for all the helpful posts everyone
BTW - the stuff was next to the street/on the street etc: not sidewalks, or actually in front of a storefront or such, - just randomly next to busy streets - I should have been clear.
My boyfriend will be relieved & I can say 'told you so' lol

Ok, why wouldn’t they all be grouped together if they belonged to this one individual? On the street? Why would they be placed on the street where someone could hit it or the person putting it there be hit? Kind of bizarre. JMO

Were these things in black plastic bags or just random piles of clothing?

What if he picked up something that he found and could belong to Suzanne?

 

[carbuff]

I agree. Everyone knows by now they’re unreliable & can’t be used in court. Since it’s so well known it’s not even useful in trying to trip up a suspect anymore— so I don’t even know why they still exist.

Several LE agencies in my area have stopped using them altogether. The equipment is expensive, a trained operator is expensive, the results are often unusable, and they've decided they aren't worth the trouble.

 

[10ofRods]

who said before we start looking? Just not day 10

I think the implication is: that's the only kind of "force" LE could use. They have no way of making the person take a polygraph except withholding service. I think the post was meant to point out the absurdity of trying to make anyone take a polygraph - much less the husband of a missing woman. LE won't and can't do that.

 

[susiQ]

This quiet is making me so sad for Suzanne. I just hope a lot is going on behind the scenes. Her poor girls.

Yes. The more time that passes the more unbelievable a kidnapping for ransom appears. Also, the more time that passes it becomes more curious that no one has been cleared. Those of us that followed the HB case will remember that despite the “appearance” that her SO may have been involved, he was cleared within a week. Hmmmm.........

 

[10ofRods]

Re lie detector tests.
If asked for too early, there is also the risk that a potential suspect would clam up, stop cooperating, and retain an attorney before LE had an opportunity to speak to the guy, catch him in lies, contradictions or changing stories, assess behavior etc, and keep an eye on him while investigating.

Anyone asked to take a polygraph should have a lawyer on speed dial - so LE would essentially be forcing the person to lawyer up - not a good tactic early in an investigation. IMO.

 

[kay74]

I hope this does not end up like the Abbie Flynn case. She has been gone for almost 5 months. Land and water searches done. Of course she is next to the ocean so she could be in there.

 

[OzzieB]

I don't think Suzanne was the biker people think she was. She may have just rode her bike every now and then for a workout. I am thinking she never even took her bike out that day. Something about this whole situation doesn't sound right. I know we don't have enough info on what was found but things are just not adding up.

 

[Nerissa]

Ok, why wouldn’t they all be grouped together if they belonged to this one individual? On the street? Why would they be placed on the street where someone could hit it or the person putting it there be hit? Kind of bizarre. JMO

Were these things in black plastic bags or just random piles of clothing?

What if he picked up something that he found and could belong to Suzanne?

I suspect he's homeless and perhaps mentally ill - not sure he's a rational rhyme/reason for his stuff & how he disperses it.
There wasn't a lot of garbage or such: one pile I saw clearly was a suitcase with a tote bag next to it & other sundry items - cup, water bottle etc
It is a strange looking sight - otherwise smallish, rural areas surrounded by the Rockies, with all a sudden these weird piles someone's stuff along the road!

IF he somehow came into SM's stuff then I'd say it was tossed from a window, or deliberately given to him - however: want to be clear this is utterly totally speculation! No reason at all at this point to think 'piles of stuff' man has anything to do with SM on any level.
Where he habituates with his piles, as far as I understand, is nowhere near SM's house or speculation on where she disappeared, places searched already etc

 

[Ninja Bunny]

I agree. Everyone knows by now they’re unreliable & can’t be used in court. Since it’s so well known it’s not even useful in trying to trip up a suspect anymore— so I don’t even know why they still exist.

Most criminals are dumb and/or arrogant and think they can beat it.

They’re still useful, look how it cracked Chris Watts. He walked in to a polygraph thinking he was being helpful and that same day he left in handcuffs after confessing.

A lot of people think it’s about beating the machine, fooling it on a few yes/no questions. It’s not, it involves a lengthy interview process (sprinkled with little comments from the examiner designed to put you on edge) that locks you into a statement, the whole thing likely witnessed by other investigators on the other side of a one-way mirror - they’re the ones you really have to fool. Then comes the machine. If you fail, or they tell you you fail, they watch for a reaction. If you change your story from what you said in your lead-up interview even in the slightest, BAM, they’ve got you.

 

[UnderWhelmed405]

I pulled her up on MapMyRide really hoping to see past activity
but it had zero stats. Her profile pic:

 

[perception≠reality]

LE has not stated what she was last seen wearing, including that helmet.
I can only assume it was family or a friend that put that flyer together.

A handful of other things LE has specifically NOT said:

- if her bike was found, where her bike was found, and what shape her bike was in, when it was found.
SM's nephew Trevor Noel disclosed to the media that her bike was located Sunday evening, the same day she was reported missing, but that is all the media has said about her bike.

- other personal items belonging to SM: located, but no details at all on what these items were, where they were located (specifically) or what condition they were in, when located.

- her phone - no mention of it at all by LE or the media, if found, or not, etc.

We've seen a LOT of social media rumor pop up here, so I just wanted to reiterate what is fact, know, confirmed, etc., and what isn't.

I have been following since day one, and I am aware of all of this, but this is a great summary. I specifically said in my previous post that I was thinking about the flyer the family posted, and that is may be a possibility that the helmet was either missing from the home, or found during the search, etc...leading family to post this flyer.

I haven’t discussed a SM rumor anywhere in this thread. I am putting together my own thoughts and ideas about what may have been found, or how family may have come to the conclusion she was wearing the helmet when she went missing. Hence the MOO IMO JMO.