Found Deceased CO - Suzanne Morphew, 49, did not return from bike ride, Chaffee County, 10 May 2020 #45

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  • #501
How does that explain the email the church members in IN received stating that SM had been attacked by a lion? That didn't come from Andy.
bbm
Ita.

Considering the wording of that email with the fake message... it's a good bet who wrote it.
"Barry is just beside himself..."
Sounds like a loyal and devoted mother; imo. ;)
 
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  • #502
But the email has been seen - since you all are discussing it:
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CrimeOnline has viewed a message that was sent to members of the Morphew’s former church in Indiana, requesting prayers following the news of her disappearance. The message notes that Morphew’s bike was found “crashed,” and mentions that a mountain lion had been seen in the area where the bike was discovered.

“Barry is just beside himself and so are the rest of us because they can’t find her,” the message, sent on May 11, reads in part.
‘They can’t find her’: Message to church group shows desperate plea in early days of search for missing Colorado mom Suzanne Morphew [REPORT]

There are only so many people who knew of her disappearance on May 11, the bike crashed and the lion. ....
our opening post on thread #1 was May 12 - and while I obviously won't name the immediate circle who had access to her former church's email address - I think we can speculate who sent it - I'm going with door number 1 ..
JMO

The way it's worded, I was under the impression it was a group message on FB to individual church members. Which would mean, whoever sent it, was certainly in SM's very close circle of friends/family to be FB friends with all those folks.

That narrows it down immediately to... well, door #1. :cool:
 
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I’m a CO real estate broker. In our licensing class it was pounded into us if our Seller asks we not disclose a stigma, we have an obligation to not disclose. We could lose our license if we do.

If it were me, I would strongly recommend to my Seller that we disclose the stigma. The Buyer is going to find out and I’d rather have them know before we go under contract. If they are going to balk better they do it now. Otherwise you run the risk the buyer will back out after you’ve taken the home off the market. In CO the Buyer has multiple opportunities to cancel the contract and still get their earnest money back. (For example, Buyer can say they are terminating the contract based on an inspection, with no obligation to specify what was found in inspection that’s causing them to terminate).

In this case, MLS Broker notes indicate the listing agent must be present at all Buyer showings. It’s possible the agent will disclose the stigma at that time. I completely understand why they wouldn’t want to mention it in the public listing information. And they may think even putting it MLS broker notes would increase looky-loo showings.
Thank you for sharing this with us! I appreciate your insight & experience in CO real estate matters.
 
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Get out of Dodge was a great decision on her part. She might be next.
bbm
Ita.
Of course.

A person who could kill his spouse would not hesitate to eliminate anyone else who posed a threat or just didn't "play nice".
This could very sadly include children and family members, as well as employees.
BM now holds all of Suzanne's assets and anyone speaking up for Suzanne -- or against him -- could be in mortal danger at worst, or cast adrift without finances at best.

This was seemingly about control, and I think this could have been a motive in Suzanne's disappearance.
It's safe to call it what sheriff Spezze labeled it-- a "criminal investigation".
Not a missing person's investigation.
LE never promoted the possibility that she was missing or abducted, so we need to look at the hard facts of this case.
Hoping for a break soon !
Imo.
 
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  • #508
IIRC, we also speculated here that this was BMs main theory that HE pushed from the beginning.
However, AM stated during one of his interviews, that he knew for a fact, LE had seen one near the house. AM is possibly the civilian who initiated the narrative. Further, he said that even when lion attack was ruled out, BM told him he still hoped it was, because otherwise someone could have her, and doing things to her.
Many of the true stories of women held in captivity, tell of daily rapes, some survive and regain mental stability, others do not. There are also stories of sadistic torture, rapes, victims undergo tremendous torment, before death.
Continuing to push the mountain lion was probably form of denial for BM.

So, IMO, mountain lion theory remains simply one of the original leads, that didn’t produce any evidence.
RBBM
1. BM allegedly said that law enforcement saw a mountain lion.

2. No. AM is not the civilian who initiated the narrative. Not even possibly.
 
  • #509
It's most certainly not rumor or gossip.

"CrimeOnline has viewed a message that was sent to members of the Morphew’s former church in Indiana, requesting prayers following the news of her disappearance. The message notes that Morphew’s bike was found “crashed,” and mentions that a mountain lion had been seen in the area where the bike was discovered. “Barry is just beside himself and so are the rest of us because they can’t find her,” the message, sent on May 11, reads in part."

‘They can’t find her’: Message to church group shows desperate plea in early days of search for missing Colorado mom Suzanne Morphew [REPORT]

While we don't know for a fact who sent this message, we do know it exists, we know those at crimeonline.com have seen it, and we know it had the same message BM was pushing at first, about the mountain lion. Logic says, whoever sent it, heard the mountain lion story from BM himself, and they just repeated it.
I stand corrected, email exists, however the wording is such that it probably isn’t Barry. It is still just a statement of the early theories, just do not see why this seems to be BM pushing any narrative he concocted.
Again, I consider this to be a red herring, that nevertheless got thoroughly searched and discredited... a false lead, not generated by BM.
I find the fact that LE did take it seriously indicative that source of lead was credible.

The only reason I brought this up, (again, sigh), I am systematically trying to sort our early speculation, and perhaps clarify it now that we have input from AM.

BM didn’t premeditate a lion attack explanation...MVHO
 
  • #510
Poor Barry is upset because the account of his whereabouts didn't match up with not only the EVI vehicle info (which BTW doesn't have to be solely from his truck). But also the details MG provided verbally, which were verified through phone records.

His phone would also provide the same details as those of MG's phone. So what was he really upset about? Was there a phone LE didn't know about?
Is EVI the same as GPS?
Or is that different?
 
  • #511
He may have thought deleting them was enough.

But the scenerio that I prefer is that he had two phones.

And if there is valid reason he was living a double life financially, he would need a second phone.
Financial motive ? if there was a break in the relationship coming - and divorce was an option - each individual may have to fill out a financial affidavit and provide supporting documents that may possibly uncover a double financial life - not sure how divorce works in CO - this is of course speculation on my part - but could possibly factor in should we discover something was amiss.
JMO
 
  • #512
RBBM
1. BM allegedly said that law enforcement saw a mountain lion.

2. No. AM is not the civilian who initiated the narrative. Not even possibly.
Agreed.
I was checking back in the media thread and you are correct.
BM said that LE saw the mountain lion, and this was clarified by LE to AM.

LE did not tell AM that they had seen the big cat; but that BM told them he saw one.
I think by the time the media reported it-- they mistakenly believed that LE saw a mountain lion.
Can't help but compare the words 'big cat' to "bobcat", as in a slip of the tongue by a man desperate for LE to believe his lies.
But the original story came from BM.

The bike ride story came first after BM may have suggested it to the neighbor doing a welfare check, and my .02 is that BM changed it when he saw LE were questioning his fibs.
I believe AM is sincere.
Imo.
 
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  • #513
I've thought there was funny money involved for a long time. A financial house of cards. A divorce could reveal a lot of financial trickery, imo.
 
  • #514
The only thing that surprises me is that the Cat didn't cross in front of 100 police cars.

JMO
 
  • #515
He may have thought deleting them was enough.

But the scenerio that I prefer is that he had two phones.

And if there is valid reason he was living a double life financially, he would need a second phone.

If someone leads a double life financially, there usually is a double of something else. Two sets of books is not a double financial life.
So my question is motive. Why the big rush to remove Suzanne from his life? There was enough money to fund two separate lives, two households. One for him. One for Suzanne. If he was tired of her cancer, he could have hired some one to care for her, take her to appointments. Buried himself in work, like missing Mother’s Day. If he wanted ALL the money, then the finances when traced, will reveal that angle, too. He wanted freedom from her.
Why?
 
  • #516
SPECULATION:

It is possible that the build-up of two previous experiences of doctors and chemo for weeks on end for each experience plus then a more-recent third experience with doctors and chemo plus who-knows-for-how-long-it-would-extend "maintenance" doctor visits and treatments... that SM's SO was exasperated.

Noting the content of Valentine's Day note SM wrote to her SO in which she described how her SO was always there for her, got her through the experiences, etc... and now we have this most recent, third experience and maybe SM wanted for her SO to attend with her at least this next maintenance doctor visit (the Monday after MD) and maybe at least some of if not all future visits but the SO was 'just too busy' with work and maybe wasn't comfortable in the setting.

After having received such a note from his DW but now having been called out for not wanting or simply not mentally able to continue that on-site support when she really needed it that the SO finally snapped and didn't like that it seemed she no longer appreciated 'all he had done' to accommodate her continued illnesses and needs.

I suspect the SO had a serious breakdown. Panic ensued.

Here we are.

MOO

Is the theory here that SM had entered a third bout of cancer? Has that been substantiated?

If yes, does your theory propose that BM was so overwhelmed by this news, and the pressure HER cancer might put on HIM to step up and assist his wife? And he finally snapped?

I’m sorry, I realize it’s just a theory, but the mere thought makes my blood boil. :mad:

jmo
 
  • #517
@DizzyB I boldened one sentence. And Amen to that!!! This is all the more reason in that interview MG said she was now scared of BM.

She did turn over her phone.

I do feel there are things she's holding back. And this is the reason she won't take a poly.

I agree with you, to the extent that LE's offer to test MG may indicate they think she's holding back.

But there are good reasons an innocent person who is not holding back would refuse to take a polygraph. Knowing what I know, I would never submit to a polygraph under any circumstances. I have said this before:

"Lie detection" technology has a dodgy history and an obvious flaw that MG could easily discover on the internet if she doesn't have a lawyer.

Although there are studies showing that - under carefully controlled conditions that rarely exist in actual criminal investigations - skilled polygraphers can accurately determine guilty and innocent subjects at rates that are better than chance, they cannot say whether a particular suspect who fails an examination falls in the the true positive or the false positive category.

Therefore, the accuracy rates in the studies may not be as impressive as they seem.

Let's say, a bank with 100 employees experiences losses over several months that are suspected to be the result of theft. Each employee is given a polygraph test, and the results indicate Joe and Jane stole the money. However, the real thieves prove to be Dan and Darlene. Even though the polygraph results were entirely wrong and misleading, the polygrapher can still claim an accuracy rate of 96% - all but four people were correctly classified.

Moreover, self-stimulating countermeasures (biting tongue, pressing toes to the floor, etc.) have been shown to reduce the polygraphers' detection of guilty suspects by 50% (Honts, Raskin, & Kirchner, 1994). And of course, some people are so controlled or nonreactive emotionally that lying produces little physiological response, while others overreact to some questions because of unique factors unrelated to their truthfulness.

Toward the end of his career, John A. Larson - a polygrapher who developed a widely used interrogation technique - became disillusioned with the widespread misuse of the polygraph. He complained that, "the lie detector, as used in many places, is nothing more than a psychological third degree aimed at extorting confessions as much as the old physical beatings were." (Skolnick, 1961, p. 703) This assessment was affirmed by the research of Richard Ofshe and Richard Leo, who published a study of false confessions in 1997.

New technologies can monitor modulations in the voice, dilation of the pupils, tension in the facial muscles, and neural activity in the brain. However, the enduring problem is that there is no distinctive set of physiological responses exclusively associated with lying. There is no unique tone of voice, no distinctive rhythm to the heartbeat, no precise change in blood pressure, and no signature pattern of neural excitation in the brain. Without such a clear signal to detect, these technologies cannot produce a trustworthy method of determining when the subject is lying.
 
  • #518
She probably has retained an attorney. The advise is always don’t take the test. Whether it’s a polygraph, roadside sobriety walk the line or blow into the tube.
NEVER ADMIT TO ANYTHING. NEVER TAKE THE TEST. Standard advise from a defense lawyer. Many reasons.
Hopefully this is not a repeat of Jennifer Farber Dulos.

Based on what I have read here, I think I would refuse the test, unless it was a family member that I was desperately searching for. I truly do not feel like LE would trump up charges just to take the easy way out in my loved one’s murder investigation.

However, I would be nervous to take a poly, and upon legal advice, would refuse if I could somehow be implicated as an accessory and pressured into testifying or otherwise being involved in something that was someone else’s mess. I would also be concerned about the questions-what would happen if I lied about an affair, or drug use, or maybe my job? I’d let my lawyer handle everything going forward if it wasn’t me.
 
  • #519
very helpful Hoosier!

2 specific friend requests from SM to older men from her childhood/school days.
Reading my own things into this. Speculating......

Someone was jealous of likely fleeting crushes or romances of a young beautiful Suzanne.
Utilizing this delusion of maybe carrying a torch.....leaving a light on??? as his original what happened to SM. She ran off with a childhood sweetheart.
Somewhere through the night he abandoned this idea.

food for thought for sure

moo

So the two men that the DW knows received friend requests from SM - one was a little older than BM, so maybe 5 years older than SW. The other was around AM's age, so about 8 years older than SM. It's highly unlikely any of these men were crushes of SM - she would have been in middle school (or even grade school) when these friends were in high school. So it's an interesting thought, but doesn't quite line up based on the age differences.

It truly doesn't make sense - if it was accidental or some sort of FB-driven option (I know on LinkedIN, you can hit one button and send "connection requests" to everyone in your contacts, for example), you'd think there would be male and female recipients (which is possibly true, but we're only aware of men who recieved them). So if these were selected for one reason or another, I can't for the life of me think of a good reason they were.....
 
  • #520
Here's a photo from the linked mews article that appears to be dated from 2008, for index finger comparison. IMO
Suzanne Morphew’s family is 'in the dark' as Mother's Day mystery grows

Thanks @Dave F. Its very fuzzy when I zoom in but it does look a little funky. The other photo looked to me like it could be a healing cut that had scab on it. I also thought BM’s hands looked red and swollen in TD’s video and that BM was limping. IMO I need to go watch the TD video for the millionth time and look closer at his finger. I’m sure LE looked over BM closely for injuries and probably photographed him as well. But that doesn’t mean there weren’t any there that we don’t know about yet. Also could explain why he didn’t attend the initial press conference with the CCSO and why he stayed hidden so long before his 26 second video plea.

I also looked again at the photos in the article you linked and in the aerial photo of the dig site I see faint, but obvious once you look, tire tracks going straight down to the rocks by the beach area where the cadaver dog made those non passive hits. Or maybe LE has ruled out that the three times the dog showed interest there weren’t credible hits. I’m still confused about that and why they dug at LHR but not at the beach.

Anyway, perhaps I need to stop zooming in on photos! :rolleyes:
 
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