Found Deceased CO - Suzanne Morphew, 49, did not return from bike ride, Chaffee County, 10 May 2020 #45

[MassGuy]

Based on what I have read here, I think I would refuse the test, unless it was a family member that I was desperately searching for. I truly do not feel like LE would trump up charges just to take the easy way out in my loved one’s murder investigation.

However, I would be nervous to take a poly, and upon legal advice, would refuse if I could somehow be implicated as an accessory and pressured into testifying or otherwise being involved in something that was someone else’s mess. I would also be concerned about the questions-what would happen if I lied about an affair, or drug use, or maybe my job? I’d let my lawyer handle everything going forward if it wasn’t me.

Yeah, I can totally understand a witness refusing to take one, especially if they have had any prior interaction with law enforcement.

What is totally abnormal though, is the spouse of a missing person refusing to take one.

The thing is though, cases are built on evidence. Failing a polygraph might make law enforcement look closer at you, but it’s not like it’s going to make the case for them.

 

[Harley_Girl]

Your is missing.

Would like to know, what BM told the family friend, who offered another $100k .......

I would like to know who the family friend is that offered the $100k. Have we heard anything about who it might be???

RBBM. I agree up to the point of the fireplace. She could have been anywhere in the house when he allegedly attacked her. JMOO

My only problem with this is that the fireplace is included it the listing pics. I would guess that the blood landed in a room we didn't get to see pictures of on this newest listing of the house for sale.

 

[steeltowngirl]

Ok. Now, here’s my wild theory.

BM is just a small, small man, keeping up the appearances of living a large life.

SM was his victim, and she was murdered - either because of money or because of another woman. Or both.

The End.

jmo

 

[MrsWatson]

Yeah, I can totally understand a witness refusing to take one, especially if they have had any prior interaction with law enforcement.

What is totally abnormal though, is the spouse of a missing person refusing to take one.

The thing is though, cases are built on evidence. Failing a polygraph might make law enforcement look closer at you, but it’s not like it’s going to make the case for them.

How many times have we heard LE refer to the polygraph as an investigative tool?

 

[MassGuy]

How many times have we heard LE refer to the polygraph as an investigative tool?

I was watching the Crystal McDowell case on an old episode of Dateline the other day.

Both her boyfriend and ex-husband bombed polygraphs. All that meant was that neither was excluded.

Ultimately it was surveillance footage and police interviews that nailed her ex.

I think both could loom large here.

 

[TKG]

I would like to know who the family friend is that offered the $100k. Have we heard anything about who it might be???


My only problem with this is that the fireplace is included it the listing pics. I would guess that the blood landed in a room we didn't get to see pictures of on this newest listing of the house for sale.

Me too! Who is this “family friend”??

Kitchen and master bedroom seems relevant!

 

[oviedo]

I also think video will prove up movements of the players - I'm following little Tootie's (Bass) case and her murdering idiot (mom's bf) is on video putting the trash bag down the sewer drain that feeds the bayou. I'm hoping something similar comes out here.
JMO

 

[Dave F.]

Yeah, I can totally understand a witness refusing to take one, especially if they have had any prior interaction with law enforcement.

What is totally abnormal though, is the spouse of a missing person refusing to take one.

The thing is though, cases are built on evidence. Failing a polygraph might make law enforcement look closer at you, but it’s not like it’s going to make the case for them.

The fifth amendment protects any person from incriminating themself, which is the sole basis of anyone refusing to take a polygraph. Like all parts of the United States Constitution, it applies equally to every citizen.

The theory that an unnamed POI or suspect has different rights than a potential witness or actual witness has no application here.

Except the Puma Path Puma. He has no rights under the constitution.

IMO, IANAL

 

[MassGuy]

The fifth amendment protects any person from incriminating themself, which is the sole basis of anyone refusing to take a polygraph. Like all parts of the United States Constitution, it applies equally to every citizen.

The theory that an unnamed POI or suspect has different rights than a potential witness or actual witness has no application here.

Except the Puma Path Puma. He has no rights under the constitution.

IMO, IANAL

It’s not about having different rights, it’s about standard behavior in a situation like this.

I’d argue that the vast majority of people are so concerned about their missing loved one, that they don’t give a second thought to doing everything in their power to clear themselves, which includes taking a polygraph.

 

[al66pine]

SM's Fam Possibly Suing BM? Or Requesting Info re Gdn'ship? Quoting from post 684 on thread 44
{{{ @momtochloe
Potentially the Moorman family could sue BM in civil court IMO May not help Suzanne or the family but it would be sweet if they won and took away all of Barry’s toys and property....}}} sbm
Not sure what SM's family might now sue BM for specifically --- somewhat premature for wrongful death action?

A possible alternative to that? IN Gdnship statutes provide a method* for SM's fam (say, AM or other) to monitor BM's actions as Gdn thru his ct filings, by requesting notice of ct hearings, pleadings, other ct filed dox, ct orders, etc.
At some point (maybe even now?) they may believe BM is mismanaging SM's estate (whatever prop, assets, acct's that SM has/had, esp'ly SM's sole property), that BM is unlawfully converting her $ & prop to use for himself, that BM is depriving their daughters of $ & prop to which they are entitled.If so, they can request the court remove BM as Gdn. And there will be a hearing, and ct may remove BM*** and appt another person as Gdn.

Would they be successful in removing BM as Gdn? IDK. We don't know what other property or accts are held by SM alone or as jt ten w BM. Is it possible BM's withdrawals & transactions in those prop's or accts may be more readily identifiable as being solely for his own personal benefit.
jm2cts. Welcoming comment, clarification, correction, esp'ly from our legal professionals.

I'm not saying BM would spend gdnship $ in amts like this or so egregiously, but a couple cases come to mind:
- A new-ish widower spending $100,000+ on dancers in a gentleman's club VIP room.
- Another widower w mysteriously-vanished wife, spending $ 200,000+ on pole dancers, before and after hours, etc.
Sounded to me like cases of bogus Dom Perignon and a lotta lap dances, etc.
Emphasis on the etc. Esp'ly the etc. Don't overlook the etc. But I could be wrong.
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* IC 29-3-6-3 Request for written notice of proceedings and pleadings; determination of interest; failure to comply with request
** IC 29-3-12-4 Removal, resignation, or death of guardian; final accounting; appointment of successor; effect of removal on validity of guardian's acts. for same reasons court may remove a personal rep from estate of deceased.
***IC 29-1-10-6 Removal of personal representatives

 

[ChuckMaureen]

bbm

Is the theory here that SM had entered a third bout of cancer? Has that been substantiated?

If yes, does your theory propose that BM was so overwhelmed by this news, and the pressure HER cancer might put on HIM to step up and assist his wife? And he finally snapped?

I’m sorry, I realize it’s just a theory, but the mere thought makes my blood boil.

jmo

That had been hinted at in the article I read. I'll find the link and post it... I forgot to include it in my original post. It's posted by others in their posts.

 

[ChuckMaureen]

bbm

Is the theory here that SM had entered a third bout of cancer? Has that been substantiated?

If yes, does your theory propose that BM was so overwhelmed by this news, and the pressure HER cancer might put on HIM to step up and assist his wife? And he finally snapped?

I’m sorry, I realize it’s just a theory, but the mere thought makes my blood boil.

jmo

“You don’t just see beauty when Suzanne is around, you feel it”: Friends describe missing Chaffee County woman | FOX21 News Colorado

"Some days I would be in the chair next to her getting chemo. Suzanne was one of the nicest people I have met. She was always cheerful and had a great attitude about her cancer and life. She loved her daughters more than anything in this world and they loved her more than anything too. She would never just up and leave them, never!

Her daughters (one or both) would always be with her for her treatments. I saw Barry come in once, he was not overly friendly and seemed to be uncomfortable there. That is not unusual as it’s often hard for loved ones to be there.

Suzanne was so happy on the day of her last treatment. She was still coming in for maintenance treatments, but the chemo was done and she was doing great. She was supposed to come in for her maintenance the Monday after Mother’s day, but of course, did not show up. She was a bright light in this world. I really miss Suzanne and pray that justice is served."

As for it being established fact, no. Nothing we have at this point is truly established fact except that SM is missing. So I consider the info on the same par as anything else discussed here on a regular basis.

 

[MrsWatson]

I don't think Suzanne was experiencing a third bout of cancer, I think that was just poor writing, imo.

 

[elliefant]

I found this article helpful

Understanding Maintenance Therapy

It explains the circumstances and duration for maintenance treatment including chemo - which can be received for years after going into remission. It’s not clear to me that this treatment would mean SM had had a third bout of cancer. I’ve only heard about 2 bouts being reported.

Many of you will know all about this but I didn’t so have posted it for anybody who was unsure like me.

 

[Hatfield]

bbm
“You don’t just see beauty when Suzanne is around, you feel it”: Friends describe missing Chaffee County woman | FOX21 News Colorado


As for it being established fact, no. Nothing we have at this point is truly established fact except that SM is missing. So I consider the info on the same par as anything else discussed here on a regular basis.

Im lost. Where is there anything that talks about a 3rd bout with cancer?

What you listed only talks about the "maintenance" and it also has this part right above the part you bolded which also had the word "maintenance" in it:

"Suzanne was so happy on the day of her last treatment. She was still coming in for maintenance treatments, but the chemo was done"

 

[Hoosierfan72]

I posted this earlier today from Court TV. At 8:04 a good friend of Barry's from Indiana, describes him. It was very, very, interesting. I guess we have poor ole Barry pegged completely wrong

FYI, checked with the DW and this friend of BMs is not from his hometown (small enough town she'd know if he was). Not sure how he knows BM, but it's not from high school/growing up together. MOO, JMO.

 

[MassGuy]

I stand corrected, email exists, however the wording is such that it probably isn’t Barry. It is still just a statement of the early theories, just do not see why this seems to be BM pushing any narrative he concocted.
Again, I consider this to be a red herring, that nevertheless got thoroughly searched and discredited... a false lead, not generated by BM.
I find the fact that LE did take it seriously indicative that source of lead was credible.

The only reason I brought this up, (again, sigh), I am systematically trying to sort our early speculation, and perhaps clarify it now that we have input from AM.

BM didn’t premeditate a lion attack explanation...MVHO

Whether Barry sent that email or not, I have absolutely no doubt that the “mountain lion” theory was either developed or promoted by him early on.

MG said that he told her this over the phone when he called her Monday morning at 8AM.

Of course he would have known at this point like everyone else, that a mountain lion cannot throw a bike.

He’d want his Indiana church community to know this information, as it would mean that Suzanne met an unfortunate end at the hands, I mean paws, of a cat.

No crime, just a tragic encounter with Garfield.

 

[Knox]

Is EVI the same as GPS?
Or is that different?

Good question? Google didn't provide a clear answer.

 

[MrsWatson]

FYI, checked with the DW and this friend of BMs is not from his hometown (small enough town she'd know if he was). Not sure how he knows BM, but it's not from high school/growing up together. MOO, JMO.

Well that's interesting, @Hoosierfan72 .

 

[Fireflize]

Is EVI the same as GPS?
Or is that different?

No expert, but as I understand, EVI has gps capacity independent of any other gps system that the vehicle has, but it also had data such as, speed, length of stops.
A gps alone is used for navigation by the driver and can be turned on and off, but the EVI will still record location data.