Found Deceased CO - Suzanne Morphew, 49, did not return from bike ride, Chaffee County, 10 May 2020 #45

[Warwick7]

MOO the photos are of BM leaving the house as the police serve a search warrant.

I don't think so. I was under the impression they locked down the house soon after discovering the bike. Allegedly BM made it there late, at 9 or 9:30. I believe this is the home of his friend where he was staying.

 

[DizzyB]

One thing that might be telling is the phone history between BM and MG and between BM and his other employees. Did BM talk more to one employee than others on a consistent basis? Were the conversations longer with MG or another employee than other conversations he had (even those he had with Suzanne)? Did BM talk to any certain employee more on Mother's Day weekend than usual? MG seemed to have an unusual familiarity with BM to me for a boss/employee relationship.

I can imagine why Barry was upset when he found out that MG had given her phone to LE. I assume it contained the true timeline of things related, before, during, and after the weekend in question. LE would know the details of when Barry asked MG to assemble the crew, when he texted her on Sunday, what he said about the job, Suzanne, the tools, the hotel, all of it. And I assume they asked Barry questions about the timing of each and every one of those things. It’s hard to keep all of that straight if one is not being truthful. Sure, you might mess up a detail or two when remembering, but too many errors equals boxing into timeline lies.

 

[Warwick7]

I can imagine why Barry was upset when he found out that MG had given her phone to LE. I assume it contained the true timeline of things related, before, during, and after the weekend in question. LE would know the details of when Barry asked MG to assemble the crew, when he texted her on Sunday, what he said about the job, Suzanne, the tools, the hotel, all of it. And I assume they asked Barry questions about the timing of each and every one of those things. It’s hard to keep all of that straight if one is not being truthful. Sure, you might mess up a detail or two when remembering, but too many errors equals boxing into timeline lies.

@DizzyB I boldened one sentence. And Amen to that!!! This is all the more reason in that interview MG said she was now scared of BM.

She did turn over her phone.

I do feel there are things she's holding back. And this is the reason she won't take a poly.

 

[Hatch]

Good morning Websluth Family,
Tomorrow marks 5 months! Suzanne is out there somewhere.... I honestly think we can find her. I hope you all have a good day and I hope we find some new things today.

I definitely believe there are people still looking, hopefully some LE but most probable people that were invested in the search . Once involved IMO they will never quit looking , especially locals outdoorsman.

 

[Feistyomi]

If someone were stalking the home and victim, as you've suggested - possibly from an 'old' RV, wouldn't they know who was home or not?
I think it would be pretty difficult to 'abduct' 3 or 4 people without bloodshed.
Nah, I don't find your suppositions viable as to what happened to Suzanne.
IMO

They are actually two separate scenarios-
Original plan, family annihilation, home invasion, would definitely require more than one perp.... robbery as apparent motive.
Surveilling from RV park, was the random predator opportunistic type. I was actually stating, that I had pretty much crossed this one off, as LE had likely investigated this. So I’m focusing on family home. All my clarification on my speculation, IMO

 

[Hatch]

@DizzyB I boldened one sentence. And Amen to that!!! This is all the more reason in that interview MG said she was now scared of BM.

She did turn over her phone.

I do feel there are things she's holding back. And this is the reason she won't take a poly.

Do we know for sure MG has not taken a poly? I must have missed that.

 

[Hatch]

I just looked at those photos of BM behind his truck again and is that a cut on BM’s left index finger by his knuckle? Might just be the photo but it sure looks like a cut in that one picture.

He sure looks like he has been on a 10 day bender, he looks angry.

 

[swedeheart]

Do we know for sure MG has not taken a poly? I must have missed that.

As of her interview with Fox a few weeks back, she said she refused one.

(Or maybe it was with Lauren. My brain is running out of memory space for this case.)

 

[Hatch]

As of her interview with Fox a few weeks back, she said she refused one.

Ok thx
Adding: seems to me somebody is advising behind the scenes ! They were all told do not take a poly. IMO

 

[zencompass]

Thank you am copying to the media thread

Dear @oviedo,

Thank you for all of your detailed and substantial work in this thread. Greatly appreciated!

 

[Jo in Calif]

Question, if BM turned his phone over to LE why would he care if MG turned her phone over to them?

 

[MadTing]

Question, if BM turned his phone over to LE why would he care if MG turned her phone over to them?

he may have had a burner phone and handed over a phone with nothing incriminating on it.

 

[K9Enzo]

Question, if BM turned his phone over to LE why would he care if MG turned her phone over to them?

Valid question.

IMO, innocent BM doesn't care that she turned her phone over to LE, because he did the same and what was reported by MG is not true. Now, perhaps unrelated to SM's disappearance, maybe BM would care if there were texts between the two of them that would show him in a bad light, including unrelated illegal activity.

Or - guilty BM thinks he deleted info from his phone that would incriminate him. Maybe he doesn't know that in many cases, it's never really deleted and LE can recover some data and he was not confident what was on MG phone. IMO

 

[Colorado303]

Thanks for your knowledge about this. I have a flip side question to that.

As a selling agent, if a potential buyer flat out asks the selling agent if there is anything bad or stigmatized about the house that they should know about.....then would the selling agent be required to let the buyer know even if the seller told the selling agent that they did not want to volunteer that information?

Great question! Even if directly asked the Seller’s agent cant disclose. I was never taught whether or not we should deny it if asked but outright lying is always a no-no. If it were me, I would remind the Buyer’s agent even if the property was stigmatized that’s not something I could necessarily share.

If a listing agent said that to me you can bet I’d be googling the address. And if I know someone may have been murdered in the house I’d be obligated to tell my buyer. The rules are designed so that each agent acts in the best interest of their client.

I think it’s possible the Buyer’s agent could be found negligent even if they weren’t aware of the stigma. If a complaint was made and the real estate commission and/or court felt the agent should have known they’d be in hot water. An argument could be made that any agent marketing themselves as a “local expert” should have known the history of BM’s house. Not sure it would fly but either way the Buyer’s agent would have some explaining to do.

ETA: All of the above assumes the Buyer is working with an agent. If the Buyer was unrepresented and called the listing agent directly, early in the conversation the listing agent is obligated to explain that their allegiance lies w/the seller and nothing the Buyer tells them will be confidential. There’s even a disclosure form they’re supposed to provide to the buyer. After that, their response to Buyer questions would be the same as if they were talking to a Buyer’s agent.

You might wonder what if the Buyer wants the Seller’s agent to be their agent too. In CO a realtor can work with both Buyer and Seller but Seller would have to agree to change their relationship w/agent from “agent” to “transaction broker”. A transaction broker must be neutral and can’t favor either party. IMO, given the circumstances BM would be a complete moron to let his agent do that.

 

[Feistyomi]

I'm glad you brought this up. It was a big beef I had with the NG podcast this week on SM. The info about JP talking to BM on Saturday about the job came from LS interviewing him weeks back. But on the NG podcast, not one of the guests, most of all LS, brought it up.

IMO, the impression was given that BM got the ball rolling on this project around 4am on Sunday morning. I kept waiting for one of them to mention the JP interview. Maybe it was edited out. I still find that episode disappointing with every guest that spoke and they were still talking about the dumb mountain lion theory. It's overplayed now. Yes, BM talked about it, more than once and it was absurd BUT that is not the only theory he put out there. It's talked about more with certain on-line hosts than BM himself. Even NG was confused by what the guests were reporting on that episode.

Off my soap box and all my opinion.

IIRC, we also speculated here that this was BMs main theory that HE pushed from the beginning.
However, AM stated during one of his interviews, that he knew for a fact, LE had seen one near the house. AM is possibly the civilian who initiated the narrative. Further, he said that even when lion attack was ruled out, BM told him he still hoped it was, because otherwise someone could have her, and doing things to her.
Many of the true stories of women held in captivity, tell of daily rapes, some survive and regain mental stability, others do not. There are also stories of sadistic torture, rapes, victims undergo tremendous torment, before death.
Continuing to push the mountain lion was probably form of denial for BM.

So, IMO, mountain lion theory remains simply one of the original leads, that didn’t produce any evidence.

 

[MrsWatson]

IIRC, we also speculated here that this was BMs main theory that HE pushed from the beginning.
However, AM stated during one of his interviews, that he knew for a fact, LE had seen one near the house. AM is possibly the civilian who initiated the narrative. Further, he said that even when lion attack was ruled out, BM told him he still hoped it was, because otherwise someone could have her, and doing things to her.
Many of the true stories of women held in captivity, tell of daily rapes, some survive and regain mental stability, others do not. There are also stories of sadistic torture, rapes, victims undergo tremendous torment, before death.
Continuing to push the mountain lion was probably form of denial for BM.

So, IMO, mountain lion theory remains simply one of the original leads, that didn’t produce any evidence.

How does that explain the email the church members in IN received stating that SM had been attacked by a lion? That didn't come from Andy.

 

[Feistyomi]

I can imagine why Barry was upset when he found out that MG had given her phone to LE. I assume it contained the true timeline of things related, before, during, and after the weekend in question. LE would know the details of when Barry asked MG to assemble the crew, when he texted her on Sunday, what he said about the job, Suzanne, the tools, the hotel, all of it. And I assume they asked Barry questions about the timing of each and every one of those things. It’s hard to keep all of that straight if one is not being truthful. Sure, you might mess up a detail or two when remembering, but too many errors equals boxing into timeline lies.

I don’t think BM was involved in the so called phone discussion or hush money. Personally, I think it’s just as likely that BM “fired”them, when he realized they couldn’t and didn’t handle things. ITA, small inconsistencies can be clarified by evi and paper trails, so it is entirely possible that data confirms BMs timeline.
You are correct. It’s much easier to remember actual events that happened, than false narratives.
I made up a ghost story for my Brownies, they loved it. To my dismay one month later, they wanted me to retell it at our camp out. I managed to wing it and they corrected and filled in my blanks, lol, it taught me a valuable lesson?! As all good liars, I had included enough facts that I could wing it.

 

[Feistyomi]

How does that explain the email the church members in IN received stating that SM had been attacked by a lion? That didn't come from Andy.

The wording suggests it didn’t come from BM, either. It was a possibility, IIRC, not sure whether this is anything more than hearsay, unless we have the email? I definitely can’t use it as evidence of BMs guilt , MOO

 

[Boxer]

So what would a loving spouse do if they thought a highway abductor grabbed his wife off her bike and took off with her in a vehicle?
Personally would scour roadsides hundred of miles in all directions looking in trash, ditches dumpsters etc.
MOO the only things he has done that seem appropriate to me is to lie on the ground, and be looking in trash at Poncha Market.
Although having no posters ready in his vehicle is bad.

No mountain lion obviously, so by Monday morning he and everyone should be aware it was a human predator.
MOO opportunistic human predators often throw their kills off roadsides and in trashes. MOO and that's where an honest grieving spouse would be looking.

 

[Knox]

I can imagine why Barry was upset when he found out that MG had given her phone to LE. I assume it contained the true timeline of things related, before, during, and after the weekend in question. LE would know the details of when Barry asked MG to assemble the crew, when he texted her on Sunday, what he said about the job, Suzanne, the tools, the hotel, all of it. And I assume they asked Barry questions about the timing of each and every one of those things. It’s hard to keep all of that straight if one is not being truthful. Sure, you might mess up a detail or two when remembering, but too many errors equals boxing into timeline lies.

Poor Barry is upset because the account of his whereabouts didn't match up with not only the EVI vehicle info (which BTW doesn't have to be solely from his truck). But also the details MG provided verbally, which were verified through phone records.

His phone would also provide the same details as those of MG's phone. So what was he really upset about? Was there a phone LE didn't know about?