Found Deceased CO - Suzanne Morphew, 49, did not return from bike ride, Chaffee County, 10 May 2020 #51

[Dalgliesh]

Look I don’t claim to know that BM is lying. I suspect he’s lying. I actually respect his maverick, us against the world mentality and would love if he comes out innocent in the end. Having said that, I just don’t feel he’s behaving as an innocent, loving husband would. Every time I rewatch that Draper interview thing, I’m less and less convinced of his innocence.

And I have no problem with your suspicions or the stereotypes you apply in evaluating his behavior. We all do that, including me, and we come by our stereotypes honestly. In fact, police are still trained on a "liar's stereotype" that was proven wrong decades ago. It's part of how we're wired. But I suspect BM has learned that he can't "clear his name" when the media audience is evaluating him this way, and that nothing will induce him to participate again.

 

[mom2chloe]

Initially, I assumed the loud machinery noise at the Salida site was from the bobcat or Barry's truck.

As I think about it, the noise might have been from another piece of machinery/tool at the Salida site that BM had use for, powered by a generator or air compressor.

That would open up some more possibilities. Bobcat certainly might have been part of it, but other tools/machinery might also be involved.

Just thinking out loud..

An air compressor inflating a raft or canoe? IMO

 

[PaulaDC]

This article would claim the noises were on Saturday night.
Woman 'woken by loud machinery' near where woman went missing | Daily Mail Online

I've seen a lot of inaccuracies in Daily Mail reporting. moo

 

[mom2chloe]

I’m not an expert in wood chippers. Never used one myself, so maybe I’m way off base on this; but it seems like a messy form of disposal. Wouldn’t blood, crushed bone and human tissue seep into any seam on the machine? It seems like pulverized human would coat every surface. Gah, sorry it’s so morbid.

Not if it was dumped in the river. IMO

 

[PaulaDC]

When we discussed the Friday theory way back, I've never left that yet. I don't see any proof of any sandwich outing and we have no idea what caused the friends concern. I don't even see anyone proving SM was physically sighted. I still say when BM said he wanted to make his wife happy that was his way of showing her as alive. Jmoo

 

[Seattle1]

When we discussed the Friday theory way back, I've never left that yet. I don't see any proof of any sandwich outing and we have no idea what caused the friends concern. I don't even see anyone proving SM was physically sighted. I still say when BM said he wanted to make his wife happy that was his way of showing her as alive. Jmoo

I agree. SM was alive and all was hunky-dory between them. Nothing to see here folks, peace in the valley...

 

[Lilypad13]

Your posts have brought a few thoughts to mind. I am more and more inclined to agree with your Friday night theory. If we consider the possibility that the BFF was fooled into thinking she was conversing with SM when it was actually BM, all Saturday, is there anything else that doesn't fit with a Friday night murder theory?

I can think of two reasons why the Bobcat wasn't parked on the trailer.

One would be if the trailer had been needed for some other purpose.

Another would be if the last use of the Bobcat was there at the property itself.

Which brings me to something else that's been bugging me. If the yellow tape being tied to the Bobcat isn't intended to protect any evidence on the Bobcat itself (in which case I assume the tape would have gone AROUND the Bobcat without touching it), then what WAS the tape protecting?

It appears to be blocking the upper part of the path from the house/patio down toward the creek. So I wonder, is there anything unusual about that path? Did they find some of the rocks disturbed or recently replaced?

Presumably they didn't find SM buried there or we would know that, but perhaps there is something else of significance relating to that path?

If not, what was the purpose of that zig-zagged yellow tape?

MOO

Why was the yellow tape put up like that in a zig zag manner by the path and tied onto the Bobcat?! There must be a reason and that has always bothered me as well. Good questions @Auntie Cipation! Wish we had those answers...

 

[Boxer]

And I have no problem with your suspicions or the stereotypes you apply in evaluating his behavior. We all do that, including me, and we come by our stereotypes honestly. In fact, police are still trained on a "liar's stereotype" that was proven wrong decades ago. It's part of how we're wired. But I suspect BM has learned that he can't "clear his name" when the media audience is evaluating him this way, and that nothing will induce him to participate again.

MOO he never participated in any meaningful way.

 

[Trackergd]

@Trackergd with such precision that LE might have missed it back in May?

I wonder if there were Bobcat tracks around the yard and driveway on May 10. Shouldn't there have been some since it was parked in the driveway, and not on the trailer? Absence of tracks would be fishy, too.

Respectfully snipped.

Yes, it is possible depending on the size of the gravel. Screenings and pea gravel, Yes. Railroad ballast, No.

Now @swedeheart , you are giving away my trade secrets. An absence of tracks in what should be an active area is a clue in itself. Could LE have missed it? Good chance. Forensics teams are trained to document tracks and sometimes it does not occur to them to wonder why there are no tracks. If I am tracking in the field and the subjects prints suddenly stop and there are no changes of direction, I look closely at the clear area past the end of the track trail. Are there animal prints, insect prints and other natural sign? If not, the subject wiped their trail and I need to get beyond that area to pick up the trail again. With few exceptions, the print trail starts again somewhere past the wiped area. If the clear area contains natural sign, but no trace of the subject, something else happened such as going off trail to one side or another, going up a tree or those pesky alien abductions...

 

[Minordetails]

I’m not convinced of the Friday night theory. That would be close to 48 hrs of SM being missing before any one caught on. The girls could have tried calling Mom at any time on Saturday, which would have been a huge risk for BM. I wouldn’t at all be surprised if the girls communicated with Mom sometime Saturday. AM says SM’s phone went dead at 8:00pm on Saturday. That would have been extremely stressful for BM to have had her phone pinging and dinging all day Saturday, and not necessarily being able to respond.

Who and where did the idea, that ‘SM was last seen later than first thought’ originate from?

 

[kittythehare]

Respectfully snipped.

Yes, it is possible depending on the size of the gravel. Screenings and pea gravel, Yes. Railroad ballast, No.

Now @swedeheart , you are giving away my trade secrets. An absence of tracks in what should be an active area is a clue in itself. Could LE have missed it? Good chance. Forensics teams are trained to document tracks and sometimes it does not occur to them to wonder why there are no tracks. If I am tracking in the field and the subjects prints suddenly stop and there are no changes of direction, I look closely at the clear area past the end of the track trail. Are there animal prints, insect prints and other natural sign? If not, the subject wiped their trail and I need to get beyond that area to pick up the trail again. With few exceptions, the print trail starts again somewhere past the wiped area. If the clear area contains natural sign, but no trace of the subject, something else happened such as going off trail to one side or another, going up a tree or those pesky alien abductions...

Thanks for sharing your amazing insights.
I would never have thought of this and I've been on many sar outings..

 

[Megnut]

Woman 'woken by loud machinery' near where woman went missing | Daily Mail Online

If the lady who heard equipment walked over the next day to ask about it, we KNOW there were people there on Saturday TO ASK. Was anyone there on Sunday? Surely she'd know NOW if she'd spoken to BM himself.

If she really did talk to workers THE NEXT DAY, it almost HAS TO BE that she heard the sounds Friday night.

UNLESS, to her, she considered the sounds to be the middle of the night, as much Saturday night as Sunday morning, so HER next day was The Day After, which was Monday.

Full circle. We still don't know for sure. But she does. Which means LE does. Depends IMO whether she spoke to workers on Saturday or Monday.

I wonder if the workers she asked took a moment to walk around, see if anything looked disturbed.

If only rivers and trees and rocks could talk....

JMO

 

[Megnut]

Missing Chaffee County woman: FBI joins search, CBI makes tip line - KRDO

"I cant say whether the circumstances of her disappearance are suspicious and I can't share what we've found," said Sheriff John Spezze. "I can tell you that in addition to the search, we have an ongoing investigation."

Spezze said authorities will re-evaluate their search efforts Thursday.

Bumping this because IMO it shows where LE was already headed, very early.

JMO

 

[OldCop]

IIRC the son said he arrived on Sunday for Mothers' Day.

That’s why it is frustrating that MSM removed the clip. My recollection was that he said he arrived Saturday to visit his mother for Mother’s Day. I have not sleuthed the son, don’t even know if he is married, but my thought at the time was that he might go back to spend Mother’s Day with his own wife or something. Maybe he would stay overnight in Salida, then return home. In any event it is all speculation because we don’t have the clip to help us.
Sometimes a news outlet will remove a “teaser clip” to save room for data storage. They usually keep the full piece for the archives. In this case the son didn’t make the cut and only his mother’s statement is available.
The end result, @Boxer, is that we are still left not knowing for sure when that dang noise was heard in the middle of the night.

 

[OldCop]

An air compressor inflating a raft or canoe? IMO

Interesting!

 

[Boxer]

That’s why it is frustrating that MSM removed the clip. My recollection was that he said he arrived Saturday to visit his mother for Mother’s Day. I have not sleuthed the son, don’t even know if he is married, but my thought at the time was that he might go back to spend Mother’s Day with his own wife or something. Maybe he would stay overnight in Salida, then return home. In any event it is all speculation because we don’t have the clip to help us.
Sometimes a news outlet will remove a “teaser clip” to save room for data storage. They usually keep the full piece for the archives. In this case the son didn’t make the cut and only his mother’s statement is available.
The end result, @Boxer, is that we are still left not knowing for sure when that dang noise was heard in the middle of the night.

True, MOO the sheriff knows.
MOO burying a body at night with loud machinery at his workplace just seems too dumb. As a diversion on the other hand seems likely to me, to explain going through Salida at night.

 

[Minordetails]

If one of my best friends’ wife was missing, and he handed me an envelope of cash and suggested I visit one of his employees and suggest to her, that she not hand in her phone to police, I like to think that I would have enough moral integrity to politely decline.

 

[steeltowngirl]

I’m not convinced of the Friday night theory. That would be close to 48 hrs of SM being missing before any one caught on. The girls could have tried calling Mom at any time on Saturday, which would have been a huge risk for BM. I wouldn’t at all be surprised if the girls communicated with Mom sometime Saturday. AM says SM’s phone went dead at 8:00pm on Saturday. That would have been extremely stressful for BM to have had her phone pinging and dinging all day Saturday, and not necessarily being able to respond.

Who and where did the idea, that ‘SM was last seen later than first thought’ originate from?

“Later than first thought” dates back to a FB Live in July with LS. It is covered in this post from thread #25:
CO - CO - Suzanne Morphew, 49, did not return from bike ride, Chaffee County, 10 May 2020 #25

 

[Boxer]

Bumping this because IMO it shows where LE was already headed, very early.

JMO

 

[Dalgliesh]

MOO he never participated in any meaningful way.

If by "meaningful" you mean submit unconditionally to amateur cross examination by a reporter whose employer's paramount interest is in attracting eyeballs, and to editing in which he had no role, of course he didn't do that. No one in his position - innocent or guilty - would do that unless they are bereft of sense. He apparently conditioned his interviews with at least some editorial control. He wanted to get his message out, and he succeeded in that. Whether he persuaded the audience is another matter...