Found Deceased CO - Suzanne Morphew, 49, did not return from bike ride, Chaffee County, 10 May 2020 #51

[Tumbleweed]

DBM - duplicate post

 

[Momofthreeboys]

"Provoked Passion" Defense?
@Momofthreeboys Thx for your post. A CO. law firm website states "The Defense (a mitigator which lowers the penalty) – of Provoked Passion" may be used in second degree murder trial.*
If prosecutor tries him only on M-1, def would not be able to raise PP defense and present evd of it, iiuc.
IOW, in a M-1 trial only, jury would not have the opportunity to convict of lesser offence, as has happened in some other cases discussed in this thread in past day or so.

As always welcoming comments, clarification, correction, esp'ly from our legal professionals. my2cts.

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* Murder, Manslaughter, and Criminally Negligent Homicide | Denver Crime Lawyer. <-- CO. law firm

My guess is a crime of passion would only come into play if the evidence was crystal clear that there was an established loving relationship and to ensure a charge a jury could convict for the DA. I am guessing of course but I would think prosecutors put great thought into what charge they can actually get a conviction either as a plea deal or by a jury.

 

[Minordetails]

We all would love our questions answered. However, sometimes it’s in what LE doesn’t say and more about what they do and don’t do. If they have a person of interest and are still gathering evidence, they won’t tip their hand to appease the media and public. POIs tend to get sloppy and over confident when they think they have gotten away with something.

I suspect LE is playing the mouse trap game right now. Keep the POI playing the game until the trap slaps down.

The POI had some advantages regarding secret hiding places and time. SM may never be found. I hope LE has talked to hunting buddies about hunting spots. LE has said they have conducted searches that media and the public hasn’t known about. Some searches we have seen. Those searches are major clues.

We just have to be patient. That is the hard part for everyone seeking justice for SM.

In my opinion, there are one of two reasons why BM has not yet been arrested...
1) Not enough evidence

Or

2)Politics

Somebody famous who I am unable to link said, “I think February would be the earliest we could see an arrest. The incoming DA probably needs some time to get all her ducks in a row.”

 

[dmac55]

The interview will not be released on the Profiling Evil youtube channel. It will be released on a new channel "The Interview Room with Chris McDonough." I believe this new source would need to be approved.

Thank you
I didn't think about that

 

[Momofthreeboys]

In my opinion, there are one of two reasons why BM has not yet been arrested...
1) Not enough evidence

Or

2)Politics

Somebody famous who I am unable to link said, “I think February would be the earliest we could see an arrest. The incoming DA probably needs some time to get all her ducks in a row.”

or 3) he didn’t do it. People seem to forget that LE has probably run through his timeline and cell phones and other gps devices with a fine tooth comb. It is a mystery for sure.

 

[Ontario Mom]

I'm honestly surprised CM got an interview with BM. Given his background as a cop, it'll be real interesting to hear what questions he asked and exactly how BM answered.
It'll also be interesting to hear what info the PE guys handed over that still hasn't been made public. Assuming he shares some of that info on his 01.24 channel debut.

CM made the comment in that segment about not dealing in speculation, but on the PE channel those guys have had some real interesting content creators that actually do deal in a ton of speculation and rumor (and aren't allowed here as approved link sources, for that exact reason).
Should be interesting to see where CM takes his own channel apart from the PE reputation.

jmo

 

[K9Enzo]

or 3) he didn’t do it. People seem to forget that LE has probably run through his timeline and cell phones and other gps devices with a fine tooth comb. It is a mystery for sure.

IMO, I honestly think this is a possibility. I'm sure BM was/is a suspect and they were aggressive in investigating him, he's the husband. Even his own actions and timeline could have been a red flag to them. At a minimum, I do believe he was a husband that used his work to stay away from the home and his wife. I'm sure he has felt the heat from LE and feels like he's a suspect. It's possible he's been ruled out, put on the back burner as other leads are investigated or he's square in LE sights today. We just don't know.

The first SW of the Morphew home, IMO, was expected. That for me does not point directly to BM only. Even the second SW does not hands down mean, to me, that it's because of BM. We have no clue what they were searching for, what they removed, who had been in the home recently, invited or not.

Now the SW of BM's worksite gives me pause. Again, what were they looking for and did that SW result in an elimination of a direction they were going? Maybe, maybe not. Were they looking for evidence from someone else working at that site and connected to BM? Not sure.

I'm probably odd one out here on my thinking. But I honestly don't think politics are a reason an arrest has not been made yet. IMO

 

[fcavanaugh]

or 3) he didn’t do it. People seem to forget that LE has probably run through his timeline and cell phones and other gps devices with a fine tooth comb. It is a mystery for sure.

*IF* BM didn’t do it, for me, it begs the question: Who is he covering up for???
I don’t believe this theory btw, but to me, it’s really the only other option that would explain his actions/non-actions/bizarre statements/bizarre behaviors, since SM vanished off the face of the earth.

IMO he either did it, or the very least, complicit. I really believe it’s the former though.

I don’t think BM is just an unlucky guy.

IMHOO.

#FindSuzanne
#BringSuzanneHome
#JusticeForSuzanne

 

[kshultz06082]

Just watched the Profiling Evil Choir Practice. Chris said that he interviewed Barry and will release the interview on January 24th on his new channel. He also said he has 3 main focuses for this year and #1 is Suzanne. He made a promise to Gene and he will not let go of this case.

I'm glad he will continue pursuing Suzanne's case. Will his channel content be allowed to be discussed here?

Ooooh birthday present for me!!! Chris better not make it another riddle or I.O.U. I missed last night's PE cuz I was watching The Glarer instead but I am going to go watch it cuz it looks like a phenomenal true crime panel. Jmo

 

[K9Enzo]

It was only a short little conversation, but Mike also brought Tyler onto the board for a few seconds, who was at the search with Andy, and let him share his experience about when they got to an area they were really interested in searching with cadaver dogs. LE had told them they were not interested in that area, but it was one of the areas that got hit on by 2 different dogs. As soon as they got out and started searching, they were surrounded by black cars and helicopters with questions about why they were in that area. Tyler just said it was strange, and unlike anything he had ever experienced before.

Mike also said they that they have fed a lot of intelligence to CCSO that has to this day not been shared with the public.

Who's Tyler? I admit to getting lost in some of these YouTube names (assuming that's the connection).

This guy really said he was surrounded by black cars and HELICOPTERS when searching a specific area?? That sounds like some Black Ops stuff, but it wasn't, it was a volunteer search for a missing woman.

When I hear stuff like this it makes me immediately discredit the entire conversation and those who aired it. Please tell me I'm not the only one?? lol

IMO

ETA: swedeheart - I know you were repeating what you heard from that episode. I wanted to make sure to state that. My response is not directed at you at all.

 

[darring21]

*IF* BM didn’t do it, then it begs the question, who is he covering up for???
I don’t believe this theory btw, but to me, it’s really the only other option that would explain his actions/non-actions/bizarre statements/bizarre behaviors, since SM vanished.

IMO he either did it, or the very least complicit. I really believe it’s the former though.

I don’t think BM is just an unlucky guy.

IMHOO.

#FindSuzanne
#BringSuzanneHome
#JusticeForSuzanne

One thing that can make innocent people look guilty is if they are hiding some other crime/wrongdoing. It seems like BM did not have appropriate work permits. Who knows what else. Not saying that is what is happening here but a possibility. The accumulative suspicious items gives me pause but it is nice to have posts looking at facts and with an open mind.

 

[Kittybunny]

I have to keep reminding myself that other than the satisfaction of jailing someone who deserves it, there is almost no upside to prematurely prosecuting this case without a body when it's been less than a year since her disappearance, whereas the downside risks are HUGE.

There are no second chances if there is enough reasonable doubt and BM walks free. They could literally find SM's body the day after BM is acquitted with a note in his handwriting that says "Oh Suzanne....I'm sorry I killed you" and there would be nothing they could do about it. Even a hung jury is a big risk to take as it allows the defense team to strengthen their case, while witnesses' memories fade. Other than the satisfaction of jailing someone who we think shouldn't be walking free and giving loved ones answers, there is really no reason to prosecute this case any time soon.

I don't characterize BM either as a stupid criminal (a la Leticia Stauch) or a mastermind, just somewhere in between. While BM certainly did a lot of things that are suspicious to us now in hindsight, he did make attempts to build an alibi, distance himself from the scene of her disappearance/crime, and most importantly, (if he did it), took full advantages of the remoteness, vast terrain, and hunting and landscaping knowledge to hide Suzanne's body very very well. That's why I still believe this was premeditated for a financial motive/pride precipitated by an imminent divorce or discussion of separation.

I think the things that have come back around to cast suspicion on him are because of his arrogance, not stupidity, which is usually the downfall of many murderers. In his arrogance, he never believed LE would look past the bike story and his alibi of working on a job far away on Mother's Day. I'm sure he certainly never believed that the co-workers he thought he had under his spell would disobey his instructions and tell some truths, talk to media and online vloggers and/or help LE against him. And I'm sure he never imagined the web of sleuths online that would ferret out his every move, including noticing obscure legal filings in Indiana or even a simple placing of the home on the market that would raise eyebrows. No way was he savvy enough to anticipate that, and few would be unless they're enmeshed in the true crime community.

So yeah. I'm going to be patient, and settle in for the long haul. It's still early enough that I think that LE's priority is finding SM rather than moving this to prosecution. And I will listen with interest if BM indeed has anything new to say on a new interview. There's always a little tidbit. Happy New Year everyone!

 

[fcavanaugh]

I have to keep reminding myself that other than the satisfaction of jailing someone who deserves it, there is almost no upside to prematurely prosecuting this case without a body when it's been less than a year since her disappearance, whereas the downside risks are HUGE.

There are no second chances if there is enough reasonable doubt and BM walks free. They could literally find SM's body the day after BM is acquitted with a note in his handwriting that says "Oh Suzanne....I'm sorry I killed you" and there would be nothing they could do about it. Even a hung jury is a big risk to take as it allows the defense team to strengthen their case, while witnesses' memories fade. Other than the satisfaction of jailing someone who we think shouldn't be walking free and giving loved ones answers, there is really no reason to prosecute this case any time soon.

I don't characterize BM either as a stupid criminal (a la Leticia Stauch) or a mastermind, just somewhere in between. While BM certainly did a lot of things that are suspicious to us now in hindsight, he did make attempts to build an alibi, distance himself from the scene of her disappearance/crime, and most importantly, (if he did it), took full advantages of the remoteness, vast terrain, and hunting and landscaping knowledge to hide Suzanne's body very very well. That's why I still believe this was premeditated for a financial motive/pride precipitated by an imminent divorce or discussion of separation.

I think the things that have come back around to cast suspicion on him are because of his arrogance, not stupidity, which is usually the downfall of many murderers. In his arrogance, he never believed LE would look past the bike story and his alibi of working on a job far away on Mother's Day. I'm sure he certainly never believed that the co-workers he thought he had under his spell would disobey his instructions and tell some truths, talk to media and online vloggers and/or help LE against him. And I'm sure he never imagined the web of sleuths online that would ferret out his every move, including noticing obscure legal filings in Indiana or even a simple placing of the home on the market that would raise eyebrows. No way was he savvy enough to anticipate that, and few would be unless they're enmeshed in the true crime community.

So yeah. I'm going to be patient, and settle in for the long haul. It's still early enough that I think that LE's priority is finding SM rather than moving this to prosecution. And I will listen with interest if BM indeed has anything new to say on a new interview. There's always a little tidbit. Happy New Year everyone!

Well I’m not Warwick7 , but I think this excellent, thoughtful post deserves a:

BAM!!!

IMHO

#FindSuzanne
#BringSuzanneHome
#JusticeForSuzanne

 

[swedeheart]

Who's Tyler? I admit to getting lost in some of these YouTube names (assuming that's the connection).

This guy really said he was surrounded by black cars and HELICOPTERS when searching a specific area?? That sounds like some Black Ops stuff, but it wasn't, it was a volunteer search for a missing woman.

When I hear stuff like this it makes me immediately discredit the entire conversation and those who aired it. Please tell me I'm not the only one?? lol

IMO

No worries @K9Enzo!

Mike King was the one who mentioned "black helicopters," but when Tyler told the story, he only mentioned being surrounded by "black cars."

Tyler is one of the production guys? I think? He's behind the scenes on the channel, whatever that might entail.

 

[Lilypad13]

I look forward to this interview. I hope it wasn’t just a teaser and doesn’t actually go like this:

BM: Hello?
CM: Hello, I am looking to speak with Barry.
BM: This is Barry. Who is this?
CM: This is Chris McDonough from “The Interview Room”
BM: <click>

Lol me too! But I don’t think Chris would do that...especially if he is starting his own thing called “The Interview Room.” Wouldn’t be very nice or smart. And Chris is very smart. IMO

 

[Lilypad13]

Agree, it was very interesting that LE told the searchers they were not interested in a location, but then when the searchers started searching that location, CBI descended upon them and moved them on their way. I wondered if CBI had the location under surveillance?

I haven’t had a chance to watch the Choir Practice yet but I’m intrigued by this part of the conversation where black cars & helicopters suddenly showed up. Does CBI have black helicopters? Sounds like a government “men in black” situation. Very strange. It makes me wonder once again if there is something else bigger going on tied to Suzanne disappearing. Has anyone watched Murder Mountain on Netflix? It gave me a shades of Chaffee County vibe.

 

[Seattle1]

I'm honestly surprised CM got an interview with BM. Given his background as a cop, it'll be real interesting to hear what questions he asked and exactly how BM answered.
It'll also be interesting to hear what info the PE guys handed over that still hasn't been made public. Assuming he shares some of that info on his 01.24 channel debut.

CM made the comment in that segment about not dealing in speculation, but on the PE channel those guys have had some real interesting content creators that actually do deal in a ton of speculation and rumor (and aren't allowed here as approved link sources, for that exact reason).
Should be interesting to see where CM takes his own channel apart from the PE reputation.

jmo

I'm not surprised to learn that CM announced his own show and that he has a teaser alleging he interviewed BM, and I'm not holding my breath!

I recall CM's behavior during the AM search -- more specifically his comments regarding local, Salida LE. IMO, MK was appalled by this and there have been creative differences ever since. I'm also not a fan of riddles...

MOO

 

[Ontario Mom]

Who's Tyler? I admit to getting lost in some of these YouTube names (assuming that's the connection).

This guy really said he was surrounded by black cars and HELICOPTERS when searching a specific area?? That sounds like some Black Ops stuff, but it wasn't, it was a volunteer search for a missing woman.

When I hear stuff like this it makes me immediately discredit the entire conversation and those who aired it. Please tell me I'm not the only one?? lol

IMO

ETA: swedeheart - I know you were repeating what you heard from that episode. I wanted to make sure to state that. My response is not directed at you at all.

First, no, you're not the only one.

However, I don't really think there were any black helicopters, I think it might have been a figure of speech, like saying when the police show up, the "cavalry has arrived".

Only in this case, the black helicopters meaning the CBI swooping in.
Which really wouldn't surprise me at all, considering this is a local case they're working on.
I can only imagine they do not want anyone injecting themselves into it, and potentially contaminating search areas or possible evidence.
They were probably watching the searches all along.
I'd be surprised if they weren't.

jmo

 

[scapa]

No worries @K9Enzo!

Mike King was the one who mentioned "black helicopters," but when Tyler told the story, he only mentioned being surrounded by "black cars."

Tyler is one of the production guys? I think? He's behind the scenes on the channel, whatever that might entail.

I thought the Tyler referred to was the Tyler Draper YT guy who managed to door--step BM and get that early interview with him -- which has become a benchmark bit of the case?

May be wrong -- TBH I have trouble telling the YT clique apart -- there seem to be quite a few of them and they seem to interact with each other pretty regularly.

 

[K9Enzo]

First, no, you're not the only one.

However, I don't really think there were any black helicopters, I think it might have been a figure of speech, like saying when the police show up, the "cavalry has arrived".

Only in this case, the black helicopters meaning the CBI swooping in.
Which really wouldn't surprise me at all, considering this is a local case they're working on.
I can only imagine they do not want anyone injecting themselves into it, and potentially contaminating search areas or possible evidence.
They were probably watching the searches all along.
I'd be surprised if they weren't.

jmo

Yeah, I don't know.

For me, I would like to see a local or someone else not connected to a YouTube channel confirm this. Some people are just excitable in general.

It's possible it was a news helicopter filming the volunteer search from overhead.

I'm just not sure as the listener what I'm supposed to take away from this experience, as stated on the PE episode?

I don't believe, at all, that this was BM with eyes from the sky and ground. I personally can't even entertain that.

I also don't believe that LE is protecting evidence or covering anything up - that these volunteer searchers were on the brink of a big discovery and were stopped just in time.

I do think that LE patience were probably running thin and had many resident complaints about the search and were moving it along. Maybe. IMO