CO - The Stalking and Mysterious Death of Morgan Ingram #1

[LadyL]

I know why I feel weird about this. I can't suspend my disbelief. One of the reasons is things like her dad texting her to see if she wants an exfoliant from Walmart. Really? And then, almost as an afterthought, stating that the Sheriff's deputies want her to look at a suspect line-up.

 

[ttcRider]

funny you mention a dog ... they had at least one (the puppy Morgan got) and I thought they had another older dog (I could be wrong, I'd have to read back to be sure)

so, where are the reports of the dogs barking?

They had an australian shepherd and a Newfoundlander... only the puppy 'growled' once in the blog. I have a Yorkie/Bichon who barks at his shadow that I got for next to nothing compared to all the lights they bought. Sorry if that sounds harsh.. Its past my bedtime. :what: I do think the information she is passing on about stalking and the dangers are valuable.

 

[LadyL]

I'm clicking right past the extra stuff like stalking info ... I just want the story for now ...

 

[Herding Cats]

They had an australian shepherd and a Newfoundlander... only the puppy 'growled' once in the blog. I have a Yorkie/Bichon who barks at his shadow that I got for next to nothing compared to all the lights they bought. Sorry if that sounds harsh.. Its past my bedtime. :what: I do think the information she is passing on about stalking and the dangers are valuable.

My Newf barks...at other dogs on the street. Won't bark at people, but will at other dogs. I had tree work going on; men and tree branches clumping on the house. She didn't care one whit.

Newfs are very, very laid back. They're also very friendly, and pretty darned sweet. They are not watchdogs; they will protect you, but it has to be an overt, incipient threat - someone in your face - and not just sounds around a house.

The ONLY time Grace (my Newf) has ever even been slightly aggressive was one time when I was at a pet store, and this woman went off on me...Grace didn't even growl then...just positioned herself between me and the other woman, and then advanced slowly, pushing the other woman back a ways.

Grace is intimidating simply because she's a big, big girl - head circumference is something like 26 inches - and weighs 140+ pounds. The instant someone says "hi" to her, she'll roll over for belly rubs, or push her head into their hand for ear scratches. I am positive that Grace would protect me in my home or in my car, but only if it were a face-to-face thing.

I can ***easily*** see how their Newfoundland Tessi didn't growl or bark or fuss. The threat was not inside, and was not in her people's face (as it were).

Newfs are incredible companions, full of love and joy. They are NOT watchdogs. They're just not built like that.

LadyL, I hear you, and I understand. But I think you're not believing the whole thing at all...and I don't understand why not. They're human, they're not WS'ers (and we do know more than the average person about personal safety...just by reading stories here), and they had no idea what they should do. To me, they're behaving appropriately for themselves, and are quick to admit their mistakes (and faster, I think, than they should be in some instances...guilt is all over that blog).

Dunno what else to say.

Best-
Herding Cats

 

[LadyL]

oh boy, naming potential suspects ... yikes

 

[LadyL]

HC - you're partially right about my not believing ... it's not that I don't think it's possible their daughter was stalked - I've been there and know that horrible reality

it's just that when something doesn't feel right in my gut, I start looking for reasons why ... and in this case, I'm finding little clues here & there

I'm struggling with it because I want to believe and support this family ... but I have this overwhelming feeling of ... idk ... I don't want to say 'hoax' because I
need to finish reading the blog and let it settle but it's true that right now I'm very suspicious

I may change my mind later

as always, you know I <3 you HC (-;

 

[Lera213]

I know why I feel weird about this. I can't suspend my disbelief. One of the reasons is things like her dad texting her to see if she wants an exfoliant from Walmart. Really? And then, almost as an afterthought, stating that the Sheriff's deputies want her to look at a suspect line-up.

BBM

Here is the link to Morgan's blog she had. You will notice that she was all about facials and stuff. That was her thing and her Daddy like any loving daddy wanted to distract her and wanted to give her a brief little joy, so what did he do? Asked her if she needed any of her beauty stuff like exfoliant. There isn't anything strange about that to me.

http://thehedonisticwhim.blogspot.com/

 

[Lera213]

HC - you're partially right about my not believing ... it's not that I don't think it's possible their daughter was stalked - I've been there and know that horrible reality

it's just that when something doesn't feel right in my gut, I start looking for reasons why ... and in this case, I'm finding little clues here & there

I'm struggling with it because I want to believe and support this family ... but I have this overwhelming feeling of ... idk ... I don't want to say 'hoax' because I
need to finish reading the blog and let it settle but it's true that right now I'm very suspicious

I may change my mind later

as always, you know I <3 you HC (-;

I think it is because you are reading it with hindsight, you need to read it like the writer intended, to take you on their daily dealings with this....and how they were not equipped to deal with it or understand it and was trying things. We have vast amount of understanding where as these parents didn't. They knew something had to be done and trusted LE to help them. They were flying blind so to speak.

 

[SoBeCzar]

I am surprised that LE say now that there is no evidence of a stalker. I mean they have the wildlife camera photo which shows the guy.
I didn't get what the bad blood was between the boy up the road (not mentioning his name here) and Morgan. Was he an ex boyfriend?
Suicide seems way off here. It seems she was definitely drugged. And for the medical examiner to have missed that huge amount of elavil makes me wonder. Mom says she has more evidence she is waiting to expose. What could she be waiting for?
I am very interested in following this.

 

[SmoothOperator]

I do really get that some are having hinky feelings with it.. I don't have an issue with believing the account as its being relayed to us, but nonetheless I do understand why some are having those feelings and their looking to see what's possibly making them have this feeling..

I just can find zero reason that this family would make up this story.. Their daughter is dead and there is no gain here imo except for desperately wanting justice.. Quite obviously there are more than enough people who have and have had full knowledge of this situation throughout this nightmare unfolding.. If these details were actually fabricated do you not believe that people that knew the truth would be shouting it from the rooftops?.. Because especially now with mom going full force with these extremely detailed daily accounts, it having definitely gotten major local media attention on tv, in print, and online.. People who knew the truth of what occurred as it was occurring(extended family, friends, peers of Morgan, neighbors) I haven't a single doubt that any number of these people would be calling hogwash, would be telling the "truth" as they knew or recalled it happening, and would be stating what motive and gain there was by this family..

Instead I'm seeing much of the opposite of those above mentioned issues including solid support for this family.. corroboration even coming out about various events that occurred.. And people stating their firm belief in not only that in this case was it handled poorly, un professionally, and all out unethically but that this is a very real, very true and factual problem for this local area, some of their public officials, and even what would absolutely be deemed as illegal behaviors and actions on the part of some of those professionals..

Also as was mentioned earlier Toni makes no bones about telling the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.. Including naming names.. This act alone should be of note as not only is it of importance in some believing it to not at be "right", but most importantly it should be noted that her opening herself up to the risk of having done so speaks on levels far beyond of not being the right thing to do in some opinions.. It is the factual truth as to what Toni Mangrum is 100% fully hanging her hat, her name, and her freedom from lawsuits on.. If for one millisecond if even so much as one syllable of what she claimed especially where others are named.. If one syllable could be proven in the very least bit to not be factual this woman would be successfully sued so fast she wouldn't be allowed to finish this story..

And that very simple detail right there is an absolute fact.. No doubt about it, period. The fact that it is the truth is the exact reason that allows Toni Mangrum to be able to make the statements that she is making, period..

Imo if this family were in any way fabricating these events.. Or if this family had ulterior motives and an ulterior expected gain to profit from their coming forward with the accounts.. I haven't a single doubt everyone and anyone who knew would be yelling it from their roof tops.. Jmo tho.

 

[Lera213]

I am surprised that LE say now that there is no evidence of a stalker. I mean they have the wildlife camera photo which shows the guy.
I didn't get what the bad blood was between the boy up the road (not mentioning his name here) and Morgan. Was he an ex boyfriend?
Suicide seems way off here. It seems she was definitely drugged. And for the medical examiner to have missed that huge amount of elavil makes me wonder. Mom says she has more evidence she is waiting to expose. What could she be waiting for?
I am very interested in following this.

from what I read they figured out the guy down the street worked at a grocery story that Morgan went to and she told her mom he asked for her ID. This is when he learned where she lived. Lucky him it also happened to be down the street from someone else he knew.

I think she will release police reports, of every time the police came out to their house...most cops will have to write on that report, why they responded, what they observed and so forth. I'm sure it will show that at the time the Police did believe there was a stalker. Probably some other stuff too.

I don't blame her in how she is doing this. She also knows that the killer or stalker is reading that blog. She ill have every ISP that logs on to read I hope. She even mentioned she knew they were reading. She mentioned the berm, and the next day it was mowed down super low to the soil. It was never mowed ever before, but she mentions the trails and then it gets mowed. Too big of a coincidence to ignore for me. :moo:

 

[rollinginit]

Here's a picture of LE leaving.

Here is the picture of the stalker watching the LE leave. The blog said he must have turned his head right when the deer cam went off.

And here is the picture of the stalker smashing the camera up.

 

[rollinginit]

At this point, maybe it will be known in later post....but I am wondering if there wasn't some kind of listening device or camera in their house that the stalker put there? The mom does mention a camera, but says she will get to that later.

I know that a lot of people are reading that blog and lots of people must be sleuthers (and don't realize it). LOL. They are helping mom out by posting pictures of google maps....shoes...and other things they have found. I think that is the whole purpose of the blog....she wants help.

Mom admits throughout the blog the mistakes her and her husband made. I really do believe she is trying to educate people on stalkers with her story. For example, I NEVER would have known that about the lighted key pads. We need a new front door lock, and we were talking about getting one of those. Not now.

I do believe that Morgan was being stalked way before she knew she was. It really does sound like at some point...the stalker was enjoying tormenting the whole family.

I know from reading a little more about this case, the family hired many, many experts to look at this case. From what I understand, they all back up that this girl did not commit suicide.

 

[nursebeeme]

picture of stalker on cam: http://morganingram.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/HUNT0018-1024x768.jpg

She explains why she used the format she is using. I like it, she wants others to be aware of stalking, educating, bringing attention, also she explained she is posting one day at a time and going off her notes, she wants to readers to get a sense of living it as they did at the time. She did a damn good job doing that. Best written blog ever! It will be a book I'm sure. (deservingly so)

I don't think it was suicide at all, I do not think Morgan hid anything from her family. She was full of life. Not suicide at all.

I don't think it was adrenal and that "Fight or Flight" was the cause either

I do believe a drink, food was spiked. I believe the stalker upped his level of crime. He got bored doing the pebbles and taunting the family. It wasn't enough after a while. MOO

bbm

ITA! I just read the entire thing last night :-( This poor family!!! I think the stalker had been inside the house and most likely looked thru the medicine cabinets, etc. He most likely knew what "old" rx were lying around the house and used not the same pills, but the same medication.

(mother in older article upstream said that she had been on amitriptelene several years ago and had a few "old pills" in the bottle... surely not enough to kill her)

wonder if any glasses or cups were kept?

 

[NancyA]

I dunno. There it is. I'm very torn, the account is very compelling and creepy and I don't doubt for one minute this woman's veracity or sincerity, I truly believe that she believes that her daughter was stalked and terrorised and I also believe that the whole family suffered through a living nightmare for several months. I'm desperately sad for this mother’s loss of her daughter and totally understand her clinging to the belief it was not suicide.

I am struggling with a few things though; her claims that law enforcement did little or nothing to help resolve the situation for one. The cops were called AND responded around 40 times in 4 months, sometimes not just one officer but two or three turned up. They stayed for up to an hour or more each time. They checked the property and the surrounding area each time and questioned people the family were suspicious of, did at least one stake out if I'm reading it right - sorry, I'm finding the format of the blog somewhat disjointed and difficult to follow. All these responses despite the fact the incidents amounted to noises outside, bangs and rattles on windows and doors, tripped security lights etc which could all be explained away by nocturnal wanderings by animals on and around a semi-rural property. I hate to seem insensitive but could this be a case of feverish mass paranoia within the home stemming from a somewhat introspective young woman’s anxieties (it’s interesting that she was treated for porphyria since depression and heightened anxiety are symptomatic of the disease) coupled with projection onto a concerned, highly protective mother and from there to the father….?

We do have one footprint beneath a window, silhouettes glimpsed through blurred glass , a photo of a man leaning against a car, a red light seen moving about in the darkness across the street and damage to the roof but those are fairly easy to explain away too - maybe some nosy hiker passer-by looking in through a window left the print, the man in the photo could be anyone, doesn’t anyone see that his clothes/ haircut look remarkably similar to those worn by the deputies in the previous frames taken only seconds earlier? The red light could be one of those worn by cyclists and walkers for visibility to traffic when out at night, the roof damage could have been caused by years of weathering, falling tree branches, possums, other vermin and so on and so on. We also have an ‘undesirable’ boyfriend of a neighbour with a less than savoury reputation as a possible suspect but I think it more likely he was up to something nefarious with regard to the often empty property next door, than stalking Morgan and unless his gf had some hitherto unspoken grudge against Morgan why would she cover for his ‘obsession’ with another woman?

The thing is I’m seeing that the cops really did have very little to go on here. There was no actual intrusion inside the house, no property damage, no assaults, no phone calls, no texts, no emails, no letters, packages or physical contact of any kind from the stalker, no spoken or written threats. How many times do we read of women who try to report stalkers with ample solid evidence of harassment being told the cops can’t do anything heck won’t even come out unless there’s an actual attack? I’m at a loss as to what exactly they expected the cops to do beyond what they did do which was respond again and again, search the property and surrounding area for an intruder. They couldn’t exactly station an officer at the house 24/7 which is what this family seemed to expect, without wanting to be unkind, that’s not a realistic expectation given limited police resources everywhere. And these things only happened AT the house it seems - I’m reading claims here that Morgan was followed in her car but I must have missed that in the blog and given that she was already anxious and jumpy she might have been inclined to see anyone on foot, in a car anywhere as a potential follower especially with such a predictable routine as she appeared to have which would have made it very easy for a stalker to dog her footsteps on campus, her friends' homes and hang outs.

Morgan’s death. Obviously we’re only part way through the account of events but was there any evidence of a break-in on the day/night of Morgan’s death? Why, if the whole family was so convinced she was in danger, was she left alone at the house that day anyway? Her mother said she wasn’t suicidal but then contradicts herself saying how Morgan had lost weight, had dark circles under her eyes because she wasn’t sleeping, was lethargic, couldn’t get up the enthusiasm for even her ballet classes, not eating - all clear signs to me of depression. The medication, once again, the mother says she hadn’t been prescribed it for over two years but did indicate there were pill bottles with some remaining pills around the home. Maybe Morgan found the remaining pills and, desperate for some sleep, overdosed accidentally? There were no signs of physical trauma on her body indicating someone forced her to swallow the drug or were there and I missed it? And that someone poisoned something only she was likely to drink or eat appears improbable to me, very strong chances are someone else within the home would have eaten or drunk the item in question. Like I say, I dunno.

 

[concernedmother]

I just started reading this last night and it is fascinating. I am on day 29 of the stalker and a couple of things stood out to me. First if I knew someone was prowling around my house I would not be leaving the windows open even just couple of inches and that girl would not have been leaving the house alone. How do they know the stalker wasnt following her other places when she left the house? I cant imagine what a nightmare their daily life had become. Cant wait to read the rest.

 

[marycarney]

NancyA - well-said. VERY well-said.

 

[rollinginit]

NancyA- that was a great post.

Like others, I don't know what is going to be posted in the next couple of weeks, so maybe some of your questions (and mine) will be answered.

I wonder if we are going to hear about text messages and calls in the future. I know in the earlier post...mom posted that they didn't realize how bad the stalking would escalate. Maybe the stories we are hearing now is just the beginning of the stalking. ?????

I love your point about the animals. I did not think of that. They would have set off motion lights.

 

[NancyA]

NancyA- that was a great post.

Like others, I don't know what is going to be posted in the next couple of weeks, so maybe some of your questions (and mine) will be answered.

I wonder if we are going to hear about text messages and calls in the future. I know in the earlier post...mom posted that they didn't realize how bad the stalking would escalate. Maybe the stories we are hearing now is just the beginning of the stalking. ?????

I love your point about the animals. I did not think of that. They would have set off motion lights.

Whew! I'm glad I'm not just coming across as the resident cynic/sceptic, I tried to word my thoughts very carefully so as to avoid appearing to be harsh or dismissive of this family's very real fears and concerns about what would have to be a diabolically clever and elusive predator - especially given that he would be still out there and a threat to maybe some other young woman. I'm very far from having reached any conclusions as to what happened but do like to consider every possibility and question everything when I'm following cases especially one as intriguing as this one.

 

[ttcRider]

Whew! I'm glad I'm not just coming across as the resident cynic/sceptic, I tried to word my thoughts very carefully so as to avoid appearing to be harsh or dismissive of this family's very real fears and concerns about what would have to be a diabolically clever and elusive predator - especially given that he would be still out there and a threat to maybe some other young woman. I'm very far from having reached any conclusions as to what happened but do like to consider every possibility and question everything when I'm following cases especially one as intriguing as this one.

You did good Nancy. I am trying my best to sit on my hands until this all folds out.