CO - The Stalking and Mysterious Death of Morgan Ingram #2

[nursebeeme]

Thank you guys for reminding me of there in fact truly being multiple reasons for her to have shown her iD..indeed correct imo totally dependant upon who is checking you out at the register as to whether you get asked to provide picture id when using your credit/debit card..it happens so rarely to me that I didnt even think of that.:doh:..lol..as well as are correct tge point about a card being unsigned on back(again totally at the discretion of the cashier)..as is correct that id is a must for several of the cold meds and other items due to the drug manufacturing done and ways people use to get high these days... the

Thanks for making whole issue much more "sensical" rather than nonsensical in my mind..

**and ITA about it being extremely easy for anyone to have gone about finding Morgans address without ever having to see her ID..

personal story:

I was stalked in college. The guy sent me creepy cards in arabic to my dorm mailbox... To this day I do not know how he got my box number in order to send them... He did see my name because he worked in the dining hall (cashier) I ate in (our ID/food card had our name on it).

 

[SmoothOperator]

there is no proof what-so-ever to support a witch hunt against these young people. I hope they are protecting themselves as what they're being accused of doing or being a part of is very very serious. there is no photos, no trail, no fingerprints, no tire tracks, no police reports by this family against these people being accused, no protection orders filed or broken, no anything.

You're absolutely correct in that if these persons(which as we all know not a one of them is actually a minor child but rather all adults)but regardless of age if in fact these individuals are innocent and have no involvement in any crimes of stalking or otherwise against Morgan or this family..then i fully would hope to God that they seek to be rightfully vindicated and press criminal charges for defamation(as we saw is actuallya criminal offense punishable by law in the state of Colorado) rather than seeking merely a civil judgement..

 

[alwaysonmymind]

I'm from Colorado : ) no, there are no other reasons then what you have said... Only if she paid with a credit/debit that has no signature on the back, or it's states see id, but imo, if it had ( no signature or "see id" ) TI wouldn't of thought twice about it & it would not be significant. Also, fb has been more secured by all abc kids... The words of Morgans Case and I's Blog is spreading quickly! Imo, there needs to be a heavy spotlight on all... Kids, LE, ME... And that is exactly what is happening, when anyone gets uncomfortable that is when things will change, or be discovered.

Hi Charliegrl!! :seeya: Welcome to Websleuths! Thanks for sharing

 

[alwaysonmymind]

You're absolutely correct in that if these persons(which as we all know not a one of them is actually a minor child but rather all adults)but regardless of age if in fact these individuals are innocent and have no involvement in any crimes of stalking or otherwise against Morgan or this family..then i fully would hope to God that they seek to be rightfully vindicated and press criminal charges for defamation(as we saw is actuallya criminal offense punishable by law in the state of Colorado) rather than seeking merely a civil judgement..

Or maybe they're showing respect to a grieving mother by remaining quiet.

 

[concernedmother]

Im really confused. I didnt know that anyone was discussing minors. But I thought under 18 was considered a minor. Can someone clarify that for me?

 

[ScotsPaddy]

Now suddenly theyve got a thermal imager!,now those things are not cheap.

A lot i want to ask but im just going to try and hold of because i dont want it to suddenly appear in the next blog post or further down the line.

 

[nursebeeme]

Im really confused. I didnt know that anyone was discussing minors. But I thought under 18 was considered a minor. Can someone clarify that for me?

Discussing the the people the mother have named is off limits. Sleuthing of minors is *always* off limits. If anyone has done this please self police your posts.

If anyone sees a post that they have a question about either pm a moderator or hit the little red triangle in the upper right hand corner of the post (the alert button)

 

[SmoothOperator]

I understand what ypure saying alwaysonmymind about respect for a grieving mother, but I must say that while i understand a grieving mother may feel the need to blame something/someone unable to accept the truth of a suicide..but I do not understand, nor endorse her actually creating innocent victims in her having the extreme difficuly of grieving and coming to terms eith the loss of your child..its overstepping the boundaries imo when innocent individuals who are also very much a mothers child as well..for her to create victims imo is something that would imo very very hard for another mother to respect when its her child whose now become an innocent victim..kwim?

 

[Herding Cats]

I've spent some time today learning about stalkers, and the generally accepted "types" of stalkers, and which "types" are more likely to end up dead.

In part of my reading, I've come across a number of references to "group stalking" (not the one which involves some pretty convoluted conspiracy theories). It seems as if females are more likely to stalk in groups than men; that men can become involved in group stalking but normally it's not a group of men who stalk. That doesn't make sense.

Let's say group stalking is happening. From what I've read, it begins as kind of a "girl" thing, and then sometimes the girls get their boyfriends/male friends involved. It's rare for more than one man to start stalking, and it's rare that a female will join a male in stalking.

It seems, rather, that men stalk alone, or will join a female who is already stalking, but if a man is stalking, not often do women join him.

Clear as mud.

Further, violence is usually less in a female driven stalking, but men alone are more violent. Females prefer to mentally abuse their victim, while some men are more inclined to rape or sexually assault his victim. Murders of women by women have occurred, but they're usually "less violent" then a male murdering. But we tend to already know this, having seen women poison far more often than shoot, in other cases we've studied.

I have said it in the past, and I'll say it again. It seems to me that there are several girls at the center of things. Girls, especially at this age, can be extraordinarily manipulative, and very much game players (in the emotional/mental area). I can easily see a jealousy kind of thing going on...say a girl and a guy are dating, the guy admits to some attraction to Morgan, the girl, being very insecure, manipulative and controlling, demands that the guy prove he's not going to leave her for Morgan, and it goes on and on. Over time, I think that the male and female(s) begin to have "fun" doing it, and escalate and increase their torment, and find new ways to do it (e.g. the cell phone, computer, et cetera).

As I've said before, again, I believe this case is similar to Diane Zamora and David Graham, although in Morgan's case, I believe that there were several girls involved, and perhaps a few guys. I also believe, in Morgan's case, that a few of her friends unwittingly (or not) contributed to information which allowed the group stalking to happen more specifically.

I know I'm not making a ton of sense; *I* know what I'm trying to say, but am having trouble getting the words in the right order. :blush:

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[Lera213]

My avatar is in the webz lights? LMAO...I'm a star.

 

[Herding Cats]

Now suddenly theyve got a thermal imager!,now those things are not cheap.

A lot i want to ask but im just going to try and hold of because i dont want it to suddenly appear in the next blog post or further down the line.

I think they borrowed it from a friend...they had made a comment in the blog prior to this about being able to see their own tracks in the grass as big white blobs, so I'm thinking this is the same item they're talking about.

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[Herding Cats]

My avatar is in the webz lights? LMAO...I'm a star.

I love my anonymity...thus no avatar photo.

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[Lera213]

I love my anonymity...thus no avatar photo.

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Herding Cats

I guess I'll just have to keep changing it.:floorlaugh:

 

[SmoothOperator]

Now suddenly theyve got a thermal imager!,now those things are not cheap.

A lot i want to ask but im just going to try and hold of because i dont want it to suddenly appear in the next blog post or further down the line.

The thermal imaging device is indeed expensive but the Ingrams fortunately did not have to purchase one, but raher a close friend of Steve's(and Toni specifies who and what this persons occpation/line of work is as to why this friend owned the thermal image device)..it is that friend who loaned the device to the Ingrams..dont recall off the top of my head which post contained this info but if you type in thermal image into the search box on Morgans blog it will pull up the post where this was stated as having been borrowed and their not having purchased one

 

[Harmony 2]

Muchas Gracias, Senorita Harmony2:blowkiss:
Glad to have something atleast a bit definitive to go by..and according to Toni Morgan was not in a at the end of her rope type of mentality of being "done" with everything as I know was being stated earlier..much much different toni describes her as.."... then her dad had a long really nice talk with her she was her normal self – very articulate, happy, nothing weird.."

So, atleast for me personally I still am just not seeing there being any type indicators of this young woman feeling as tho, her only option left her was to take her own life, extinguishing her light from this world by committing suicide..if and/or when i personally begin to have feelings in the least leaning me in direction of suicide i promise that i am not one that will hesitate for even a second before my blabbing it out in a post that Ive had a change of heart due to new info being brought to light..Im known to have very much done it in the past and in other cases and have always been able to look at every piece of info as it is revealed..to look at it without prior knowledge bias on my part.. I very much attempt to look at it first from completely objective perspective..as if it were the very first and only piece to the puzzle..and then I look at it from the whole big picture perspective as well..

Anyhow one other question for you Harmony2(if I happen to catch you still here)..I know that you, too were looking for confirmation regarding the post stating that there were 3 prescription bottles of amitryptiline in all totalling well over 100 pills..

Were you ever able to gwt any confirmation about that post of info regarding the amitryptiline?

TIA

Hi
I was wondering if it was in a comment by Morgan's mom on her blog and I wanted to read it but I never got a link or source for the information.. :seeya:

 

[alwaysonmymind]

I understand what ypure saying alwaysonmymind about respect for a grieving mother, but I must say that while i understand a grieving mother may feel the need to blame something/someone unable to accept the truth of a suicide..but I do not understand, nor endorse her actually creating innocent victims in her having the extreme difficuly of grieving and coming to terms eith the loss of your child..its overstepping the boundaries imo when innocent individuals who are also very much a mothers child as well..for her to create victims imo is something that would imo very very hard for another mother to respect when its her child whose now become an innocent victim..kwim?

A relative did post about this on the blog and Toni deleted it. Makes it hard to be heard.

 

[MayraMM]

Now suddenly theyve got a thermal imager!,now those things are not cheap.

A lot i want to ask but im just going to try and hold of because i dont want it to suddenly appear in the next blog post or further down the line.

You'd think with that it would be easy to catch the stalker(s). :banghead:

 

[rollinginit]

You'd think with that it would be easy to catch the stalker(s). :banghead:

Agreed...but not if you watch stalked on the ID channel. One poor girl was stalked for almost a decade. He finally took a whole bunch of pictures of her while she was asleep and sent them to her. The LE went into his house and found over a thousands images of her, nasty videos, and when questioned, he admitted he wanted to kill her. He got 13 yrs, but most was bc of the on his computer.

 

[MayraMM]

Agreed...but not if you watch stalked on the ID channel. One poor girl was stalked for almost a decade. He finally took a whole bunch of pictures of her while she was asleep and sent them to her. The LE went into his house and found over a thousands images of her, nasty videos, and when questioned, he admitted he wanted to kill her. He got 13 yrs, but most was bc of the on his computer.

But did they have people stationed around her house with the thermal imaging, motion detector lights, and cameras? That's what bothers me.

But, your suggestion is an excellent one. I'm in between shows right now (waiting for Dexter to come back on and the ending of Weeds!), so I think I'll see if that program is On Demand! Thanks!

 

[rollinginit]

Mayramm, I think there are some episodes on netflix if you have it. It's an eye-opener for me bc I didn't know that much about stalking until this blog