Coincidences

[Agatha_C]

Murri, I don't think I was as clear as I wanted to be.

What I meant to say, is that they are to obvious. I will agree, there is so much that I too have wondered about. Thats the thing that leads me away from McSanta, I believe it was made to look like he and his wife.

I should make this clear, I am only on one side and thats JBR's

 

[MurriFlower]

Murri, I don't think I was as clear as I wanted to be.

What I meant to say, is that they are to obvious. I will agree, there is so much that I too have wondered about. Thats the thing that leads me away from McSanta, I believe it was made to look like he and his wife.

That's funny. They are too obvious!! :banghead: Ah ha! Those dastardly R's, setting out to fool you again eh? Add that to the evidence tally against them then. I give up!!

I should make this clear, I am only on one side and thats JBR's

That's what we are all here for.

 

[Agatha_C]

Oh, I know You are Murri, I didn't mean to imply that YOU weren't, I only wanted it made clear, my stance...Please forgive me if I offended anyone

 

[Agatha_C]

You know Murri, I have spent my life as a child advocate, literally. I have also been the foster mother to 10 children in the last 14 years. I am not patting myself on the back and I do not expect that from anyone here. I only want to give you my background. My husband is a Professor of Child Psychology at a local University...

Our years of foster care, were spent with what we would call the hard cases, some of the most severely abused and neglected children that are so very hard to place..

What happened the night that baby was killed, was not the act of a stranger.

If you are staging the scene you will grab from recollection anything that will help you and if you were handed the script and the perfect person/s to pin it on, well there's that ole divine intervention again...

 

[Agatha_C]

Murri, did you know Mrs. McSanta's play Hey Rube Inspired by Actual 1965 Murder. The play "Hey Rube" was inspired by the actual torture and murder of 16-year old Sylvia Likens in 1965 full story; thus any similarities to the JBR killing are purely coincidental.

Does this mean that anyone that writes about JBR's murder should be checked out every time some child within 200 miles is brutally molested or murdered?

 

[Agatha_C]

If we are talking coincidence, take a peek at this. trust me, its worth your time....

http://web.archive.org/web/19991009032027/joshua-7.com/mrsbrady/hoffman/lindbergh.htm...... Now thats coincidence!

Help I'm stuck in this thread and I can't get out.......

 

[joeskidbeck]

If we are talking coincidence, take a peek at this. trust me, its worth your time....

http://web.archive.org/web/19991009032027/joshua-7.com/mrsbrady/hoffman/lindbergh.htm...... Now thats coincidence!

Help I'm stuck in this thread and I can't get out.......

You better be careful, Agatha. I got stuck for days in the Lindbergh pages. The more I read, the more I realized that the similarities to JonBenet's case cannot be ignored. The first glaring thing is that John himself is an aviator. I would bet you lots of money that John had read every word ever written about that great American hero, Charles Lindbergh. If so, he had to know how easy it was for CL to stage a crime scene and get by with whatever happened to that baby. Personally, I believe he dropped the baby while tossing him in the air, resulting in the baby's death. Being the "Somebody" that he was, he could not be remembered as the man who killed his own child. I know you know all this if you have read the link you posted (there are plenty more, btw).
I probably wouldn't feel this way if it hadn't been for that ransom note that wasn't there when the police searched, but magically appeared later when it was Charles that could find it.
The only thing worse in this case is that he actually let an innocent man be put to death for a crime he did not commit. I have to wonder how far John would let it go if there was ever a match to the dna? Scary thought, indeed.

 

[Agatha_C]

Beck, He answered that question when Karr, came along. There is no doubt in my mind, he would have let him fry taking the whole ugly mess with him. Just like he would have let his friends take the fall for his family as well.... If money does this to people then I pray to God that I never have more then I need...

I agree about the Lindbergh's so similar its frightening, but again "Lindbergh case" and "Hey Rube", PR, and JR, both had scripts and gave the performances of a lifetime....

 

[eileenhawkeye]

I have to wonder how far John would let it go if there was ever a match to the dna? Scary thought, indeed.

If the DNA on JonBenet matched someone who was in Boulder at the time of the murder, they would have a big explanation to make. I don't understand how it's a scary thought to think about what John would do if the DNA on JonBenet matched someone. Are you saying that someone's DNA could be on JBR and not be involved in her murder? And if the DNA matched some felon, you would believe that person was innocent and the Ramseys were still involved?

 

[Agatha_C]

eileen, I can't speak for Beck, as for myself, your Darn right I would hold them responsible for the obstruction of justice they participated in, spending the reward money, printing wrong phone numbers, the lies, changing of stories, lack of involvement (Amber Dubois family held walkathon's and other fund raising events, raising money to find their child, getting the community involved so no one would forget). They should have been and still should be held accountable for all the things they did and didn't do...

If you had been one of their best friends how would you feel about them pointing fingers at you while they cried about those being pointed at them.. While we are at it, could you tell me of one thing the R's have done since to change laws regarding murdered and missing children? All that money and what have they done to make a difference for victims of horrible crimes and those they have left behind..

They are so victimized why haven't they done anything to change the laws regarding victims families in the very least. I mean their feelings were and are more important then finding the killer of their child or at least thats the impression they have given.... They were far more angry for themselves then they were for their own child...

One more thing, Hows their "Dream Team" doing with finding the intruder.. Oh, thats right, they're just supposed to keep the R's out of jail. No interest in finding justice just in obstructing it.....

 

[eileenhawkeye]

There are plenty of parents of murdered children who aren't holding fundraisers every week for their children. There are plenty of parents of murdered children who aren't lobbying in Congress for new laws. Why is it okay for those parents to be quiet but not for the R's? Yes, I too do not like that they were so quiet considering how big JBR's case was; if they did a fundraiser, they could easily get the media to advertise it. But there are plenty of families who are quiet too so why aren't they getting criticized too?

Look, I'm not the R's biggest supporter or anything. I'm on the fence about what happened to JBR but it does seem they get criticized for a lot of things that other parents of missing/murdered children do. For example, I've seen people criticize them for getting a media consultant but Kyron Horman's dad got one and people didn't have a problem with that? Also, people say it was wrong for the R's to go on CNN yet anytime another parent goes on national TV, people say it was a good move so they can get media exposure?

 

[Agatha_C]

Because they had the money to make a difference and instead they did nothing like always..

 

[Agatha_C]

PR, QUIET!!!!! Paleeeeeeeeease!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[eileenhawkeye]

PR, QUIET!!!!! Paleeeeeeeeease!!!!!!!!!!!

You're the one who said the R's did nothing---isn't that implying that Patsy was quiet through all of this?

 

[SunnieRN]

If we are talking coincidence, take a peek at this. trust me, its worth your time....

http://web.archive.org/web/19991009032027/joshua-7.com/mrsbrady/hoffman/lindbergh.htm...... Now thats coincidence!

Help I'm stuck in this thread and I can't get out.......

I can't imagine what the Mother went through. I can not imagine losing your child and believing that my spouse was involved. How do you continue living with that person? How can you ever place ANY trust in that person?

That is why I always wonder how the R's could continue to live with and raise BR. It leads me to believe that whether or not it is true, they believed JB's death was an accident, not knowing that the act of staging and literally choking JB is what actually caused her death.

JKB, I also believe in your theory, or something close to it. The dog is the main reason for my belief. This was a yippy dog, who was nervous and barked all the time. Yet no noise that evening. I never realized however, how many similarities there were in the behaviors of both fathers. Very scary!

Lol, Agatha, your sentence about being 'stuck' in the thread made me laugh, but I sincerely thank you for the link!

 

[Agatha_C]

Look, I'm really not looking to argue, but you know as well as I do, PR, was larger then life. The only time she was quiet, was when it mattered and thats unforgivable in my book. But hey, write her a song, call her your best friend, wear an I heart PR shirt, or put a bumper sticker on your car claiming the R's didn't do it, its your right to do so, as you seem more able to speak out in her defense then she was for her child's and like everyone here we each have the right to our opinion.

 

[Agatha_C]

OOHHH shucks Sunni, thank you and you are most welcome...lol.. Laughter is my favorite emotion, in a sick and twisted world..... Like I said, the R's had scripts and they thought they were above everyone, being that they were the King and Queen of Boulder, when you live in lofty places, I imagine the fall is frightening.

 

[eileenhawkeye]

Look, I'm really not looking to argue, but you know as well as I do, PR, was larger then life. The only time she was quiet, was when it mattered and thats unforgivable in my book. But hey, write her a song, call her your best friend, wear an I heart PR shirt, or put a bumper sticker on your car claiming the R's didn't do it, its your right to do so, as you seem more able to speak out in her defense then she was for her child's and like everyone here we each have the right to our opinion.

I don't understand why you are calling me Patsy's biggest fan. All I did was ask you why the R's are criticized for doing or not doing the same things other parents have done/not done. I even said that I am on the fence and that I do not like either that Patsy and John were so quiet so I fail to see why you are acting like I worship Patsy Ramsey.

 

[Agatha_C]

eileen, in all the words I wrote to you "biggest fan" wasn't there. What I was trying to say is this, you have the right to believe anything you want too, as its your constitutional right to have an opinion, and I respect that.

If you will remember, it was you that jumped in with the accusations that no matter what "We" would still think its the R's. eileen, I would love nothing more then to be wrong and as I have proven already on these boards, I will say when I have made a mistake... Maybe you should know that I was a firm believer in the IDI, for many years. Even though I have seen what parents can do to there babies.

 

[Agatha_C]

Why do I have trouble with that flipping word "their"... geeeeesh