Coincidences

[SunnieRN]

I don't understand why you are calling me Patsy's biggest fan. All I did was ask you why the R's are criticized for doing or not doing the same things other parents have done/not done. I even said that I am on the fence and that I do not like either that Patsy and John were so quiet so I fail to see why you are acting like I worship Patsy Ramsey.

The R's were different due to the fact that they impeded the justice system in regards to the solving of their daughters murder. It took 4 months for LE to get their first interview with the parents. The law team for the R's orchestrated the LE interview. How many other parents of murdered children lawyer up and refuse to co-operate with LE. This was only one thing. There are so many other things involved.

The R's refused to 'admit' to owning things that could be proven to belong to them. They would avoid giving answers to unassuming questions. They claimed they would not rest and spend every penny they had, to find 'that childs' killer, yet they used the money on a defense team and PR that would cast doubt and keep them out of jail at any cost.

There is SO much more. Please do not compare the R's actions to those of Adam Walsh, Somer Thompson, Samantha Runion or Amber Dubois. There are many more parents who have been under suspicion and have done any and everything to clear themselves and get the investigation back on track and find their childs killer. I wish I could list EVERY parent here who has made a difference, The reason for many of the laws and responses we have for child safety or for finding missing children, is due to the diligence and care of parents who lost their child and saw the problems and potential for solutions.

These parents were not wealthy, were not well known, but fueled their grief and anger into making a difference. Not hiding behind lawyers and PR teams. It is quite disgusting when you look at the entire picture.

 

[Agatha_C]

Thank you Sunni! that was well said.

 

[eileenhawkeye]

eileen, in all the words I wrote to you "biggest fan" wasn't there. What I was trying to say is this, you have the right to believe anything you want too, as its your constitutional right to have an opinion, and I respect that.

If you will remember, it was you that jumped in with the accusations that no matter what "We" would still think its the R's.

Fine, I'll rephrase my question. Why are you saying that I would "write her a song, call her your best friend, wear an I heart PR shirt, or put a bumper sticker on your car claiming the R's didn't do it" because of a few posts I made?

As for your second part, I never said that everyone would always believe it was the R's. I was replying to joeskidbeck's post saying that he wonders how far John would go if there was a match to the DNA. Also, my post was directed just to joeskidbeck so I don't see where you getting the "we" from.

I have said myself that I do not like that the Ramseys were so quiet but if you think that every parent of a murdered child is lobbying in Congress, you're wrong. You can name the same parents over and over like Erin Runnion, Marc Klaas, and John Walsh but there have been thousands of kids murdered every year yet you always hear about the same parents trying to change the country. I applaud these parents but what about the other parents who aren't involved?

 

[Tadpole12]

eileen, in all the words I wrote to you "biggest fan" wasn't there. What I was trying to say is this, you have the right to believe anything you want too, as its your constitutional right to have an opinion, and I respect that.

If you will remember, it was you that jumped in with the accusations that no matter what "We" would still think its the R's. eileen, I would love nothing more then to be wrong and as I have proven already on these boards, I will say when I have made a mistake... Maybe you should know that I was a firm believer in the IDI, for many years. Even though I have seen what parents can do to there babies.

Maybe you should know that I was a firm believer in the IDI, for many years. Even though I have seen what parents can do to there babies. - AC



Heyya AC.

Was there a specific incident that made you change your position?

 

[Tadpole12]

The R's were different due to the fact that they impeded the justice system in regards to the solving of their daughters murder. It took 4 months for LE to get their first interview with the parents. The law team for the R's orchestrated the LE interview. How many other parents of murdered children lawyer up and refuse to co-operate with LE. This was only one thing. There are so many other things involved.

The R's refused to 'admit' to owning things that could be proven to belong to them. They would avoid giving answers to unassuming questions. They claimed they would not rest and spend every penny they had, to find 'that childs' killer, yet they used the money on a defense team and PR that would cast doubt and keep them out of jail at any cost.

There is SO much more. Please do not compare the R's actions to those of Adam Walsh, Somer Thompson, Samantha Runion or Amber Dubois. There are many more parents who have been under suspicion and have done any and everything to clear themselves and get the investigation back on track and find their childs killer. I wish I could list EVERY parent here who has made a difference, The reason for many of the laws and responses we have for child safety or for finding missing children, is due to the diligence and care of parents who lost their child and saw the problems and potential for solutions.

These parents were not wealthy, were not well known, but fueled their grief and anger into making a difference. Not hiding behind lawyers and PR teams. It is quite disgusting when you look at the entire picture.

yet they used the money on a defense team and PR that would cast doubt -SR

Hey SR.

Ya. For sure it didn't reinforce a sense of innocence.
Most of the PR was undigestable.

 

[Tadpole12]

Look, I'm really not looking to argue, but you know as well as I do, PR, was larger then life. The only time she was quiet, was when it mattered and thats unforgivable in my book. But hey, write her a song, call her your best friend, wear an I heart PR shirt, or put a bumper sticker on your car claiming the R's didn't do it, its your right to do so, as you seem more able to speak out in her defense then she was for her child's and like everyone here we each have the right to our opinion.

But hey, write her a song -AC

Hey AC.

We do have a song floating around here somewhere at the JBR forum.
Not an Ode to PR, but a song. lol

 

[SunnieRN]

Fine, I'll rephrase my question. Why are you saying that I would "write her a song, call her your best friend, wear an I heart PR shirt, or put a bumper sticker on your car claiming the R's didn't do it" because of a few posts I made?

As for your second part, I never said that everyone would always believe it was the R's. I was replying to joeskidbeck's post saying that he wonders how far John would go if there was a match to the DNA. Also, my post was directed just to joeskidbeck so I don't see where you getting the "we" from.

I have said myself that I do not like that the Ramseys were so quiet but if you think that every parent of a murdered child is lobbying in Congress, you're wrong. You can name the same parents over and over like Erin Runnion, Marc Klaas, and John Walsh but there have been thousands of kids murdered every year yet you always hear about the same parents trying to change the country. I applaud these parents but what about the other parents who aren't involved?

I am not arguing your point that many parents do nothing to enact or change laws, but that is my point also. They do NOTHING! They do not hide behind lawyers and PR teams and refuse to answer LE questions. There is a BIG difference in behaviors between the R's response and other parents.

They don't make promises to spend every penny they have to find the killer, but do nothing. They do not refuse interview by LE. Please tell me you can see these differences. Please tell me if these differences make you question any part of their innocence. Apathy, grief and sorrow are much different than obstruction of justice.

 

[eileenhawkeye]

Why do we always see the same parents on TV talking about protecting children? With 2000 children murdered every year, it seems there are always the same group of around seven parents who talk about the cause? I am very proud of these parents but I am genuinely curious about all the thousands of others who have lost a child to murder. I am just curious to how it all works; are those parents the "representatives" for everyone else who has lost a child to murder?

I have noticed that these vocal parents all received national media attention when their child went missing. It does seem that although a lot of parents have been quiet after their child's murder, the Ramseys are one of the very few whose child received national media coverage and did not use this attention to help the cause.

Even 14 years later, the national media still reports on this case; look at how many media outlets reported that the police wanted to interview Burke. There wasn't even any new info released! If John were to start something in JonBenet's memory, he could easily get the national media to report about it. Also, the media has become more IDI so if John wanted to become a corespondent on a news channel about crime, he would probably get some air time. So although I said before that the R's aren't the only ones who stood back, they are one of the few with national media coverage who were quiet.

 

[Agatha_C]

Okay, eileen, we got off on the way wrong foot and sometimes what we write is not read with the writers true intent. I can see where I seemed like a smart butt. What I meant by those things is this, I don't care how you make your point or who you root for. You have the right to your opinion and the free will to express it anyway you choose. Hey, I respect that, "Hence" my saying write her a song I don't care. Not that you would because your president of her fan club, I never meant that.

And your right you were talking to beck, its what I get for sticking my nose in.

All those other cases weren't made public or I would be saying the very same thing... Oh, and eileen I'm not going to continue this argument with you. I'm sorry if you read my intent wrong but I wont change a thing I have said.

 

[Tadpole12]

I have spent my life as a child advocate, literally. I have also been the foster mother to 10 children in the last 14 years.

Hey AC.

OT, but....

God Bless the Foster Parents in this world. You give that second chance that so many kids deserve. You heal the emotional wounds and give these kids a life they could never have dreamed of. Beaming smiles and joy in their souls.

So just wanna say thanks AgathaC, for all that you have done.
Props to all the Foster Moms.

If you are staging the scene you will grab from recollection anything that will help you and if you were handed the script and the perfect person/s to pin it on, well there's that ole divine intervention again...

PRDI wise, she would have been 'on fire' that night. All that she would have to create and been required to do. Shining and polishing her work, all night long.

 

[Agatha_C]

Tad,

Heyya AC.

Was there a specific incident that made you change your position?

It's hard to say Tad, there just came a day when nothing else made sense. Believe me it was hard, I even cried...lol... I so did not want to believe it and I ask myself why I fought it so long. I took in a foster child 3 y/o. She wouldn't potty break so her mother sewed her vagina shut with needle and thread and sat her in boiling water. Why did I find it so hard to believe these people could do this?

We do have a song floating around here somewhere at the JBR forum.
Not an Ode to PR, but a song. lol

LMAO, I would love toooooo hear it

Sunni, thank you for being a reasoning voice in madness..lol.. J/K

 

[Agatha_C]

Thanks Tad

 

[SunnieRN]

Why do we always see the same parents on TV talking about protecting children? With 2000 children murdered every year, it seems there are always the same group of around seven parents who talk about the cause? I am very proud of these parents but I am genuinely curious about all the thousands of others who have lost a child to murder. I am just curious to how it all works; are those parents the "representatives" for everyone else who has lost a child to murder?

I have noticed that these vocal parents all received national media attention when their child went missing. It does seem that although a lot of parents have been quiet after their child's murder, the Ramseys are one of the very few whose child received national media coverage and did not use this attention to help the cause.

Even 14 years later, the national media still reports on this case; look at how many media outlets reported that the police wanted to interview Burke. There wasn't even any new info released! If John were to start something in JonBenet's memory, he could easily get the national media to report about it. Also, the media has become more IDI so if John wanted to become a corespondent on a news channel about crime, he would probably get some air time. So although I said before that the R's aren't the only ones who stood back, they are one of the few with national media coverage who were quiet.

Maybe it's due to their passion. Their refusal to let the issue die, along with other children. The need to know that THEIR child will NEVER be forgotten.

Maybe it is the only way they can wake up in the morning and place one foot in front of the other. Maybe it is because they refuse to give up!!

I thank them, fot attempting to make this world safer for our children! I am sure that you do also!

 

[SunnieRN]

Sorry, forgot what to me is an overwhelming piece of interest. Something parents of murdered children share, is the need to talk about their child, the crime, the person responsible and the need for answers. The R's, including Burke, have stated they never talked 'about that night or the murder of JonBenet.'

That was one of the first things to set my 'hinky meter' off!

 

[joeskidbeck]

If the DNA on JonBenet matched someone who was in Boulder at the time of the murder, they would have a big explanation to make. I don't understand how it's a scary thought to think about what John would do if the DNA on JonBenet matched someone. Are you saying that someone's DNA could be on JBR and not be involved in her murder? And if the DNA matched some felon, you would believe that person was innocent and the Ramseys were still involved?

Actually I'm saying the dna could be innocent transfer. If it belonged to a felon who just happened to be in Boulder, that would be a very different scenario than what I'm talking about. I'm wondering what would happen if the dna belonged to an innocent person (with JR knowing this), how far would he let it go? I believe a RDI, therefore, there is a chance that this dna is innocent transfer, although it could also belong to an accomplice.

 

[BBB167893]

Look, I'm really not looking to argue, but you know as well as I do, PR, was larger then life. The only time she was quiet, was when it mattered and thats unforgivable in my book. But hey, write her a song, call her your best friend, wear an I heart PR shirt, or put a bumper sticker on your car claiming the R's didn't do it, its your right to do so, as you seem more able to speak out in her defense then she was for her child's and like everyone here we each have the right to our opinion.

Harsh, Agatha. But it is an accurate assessment.

 

[BBB167893]

The R's were different due to the fact that they impeded the justice system in regards to the solving of their daughters murder. It took 4 months for LE to get their first interview with the parents. The law team for the R's orchestrated the LE interview. How many other parents of murdered children lawyer up and refuse to co-operate with LE. This was only one thing. There are so many other things involved.

The R's refused to 'admit' to owning things that could be proven to belong to them. They would avoid giving answers to unassuming questions. They claimed they would not rest and spend every penny they had, to find 'that childs' killer, yet they used the money on a defense team and PR that would cast doubt and keep them out of jail at any cost.

There is SO much more. Please do not compare the R's actions to those of Adam Walsh, Somer Thompson, Samantha Runion or Amber Dubois. There are many more parents who have been under suspicion and have done any and everything to clear themselves and get the investigation back on track and find their childs killer. I wish I could list EVERY parent here who has made a difference, The reason for many of the laws and responses we have for child safety or for finding missing children, is due to the diligence and care of parents who lost their child and saw the problems and potential for solutions.

These parents were not wealthy, were not well known, but fueled their grief and anger into making a difference. Not hiding behind lawyers and PR teams. It is quite disgusting when you look at the entire picture.

Agreed. It's the difference between night and day.

 

[BBB167893]

Maybe you should know that I was a firm believer in the IDI, for many years. Even though I have seen what parents can do to there babies. - AC



Heyya AC.

Was there a specific incident that made you change your position?

I'd like to know, too. I'm always interested in meeting a kindred spirit!

 

[BBB167893]

But hey, write her a song -AC

Hey AC.

We do have a song floating around here somewhere at the JBR forum.
Not an Ode to PR, but a song. lol

I think that was me! LOL I've written several songs about this case!

 

[BBB167893]

Tad,

Heyya AC.

Was there a specific incident that made you change your position?

It's hard to say Tad, there just came a day when nothing else made sense. Believe me it was hard, I even cried...lol... I so did not want to believe it and I ask myself why I fought it so long. I took in a foster child 3 y/o. She wouldn't potty break so her mother sewed her vagina shut with needle and thread and sat her in boiling water. Why did I find it so hard to believe these people could do this?

My God. That's horrible beyond words.

We do have a song floating around here somewhere at the JBR forum.
Not an Ode to PR, but a song. lol

LMAO, I would love toooooo hear it

[/QUOTE]

Your wish is my command! These are just the ones I've written, with profuse apologies to Hank Williams Jr., Travis Tritt and Grace Slick (who would surely kill me if they knew!):

(Sung to the tune of Hank Williams Jr.'s "Family Tradition"):

Well John and Patsy Ramsey

Such a close-knit family

But most of the American people

Don't believe 'em anyway, ya see

Stop and read the case file, Mary Lacy

Before you make your decision

You might get it right

Though yer not too bright

It's a Boulder County tradition!

The ol' system's got problems

That is plain to see

There's one set of rules for the rich

Another one for you and me

The police didn't want to play ball

Linny Winny told 'em you got to

The Rs bought their way out

That's what I'm talking about

And Mikey spreads the doo-doo!

I'm gonna tell ya just what I think

And I'm not gonna blink

And I don't have big name shysters to whom the DA is linked

Yeah, I am my own man

Even though it does give me some friction

If I smell somethin' wrong

I'm gonna come down strong

It's a SuperDave tradition!

I am very proud

of my country's name

but a case like this makes me hang my head

it is just a shame

John Lou Lin and Mikey can have each other

At least Patsy showed some contrition

"Please move on

We are standin' strong"

It's Ramsey family tradition!

I'm gonna tell ya just what I think

And I'm not gonna blink

And I don't have big name shysters to whom the DA is linked

Yeah, I joined the Collective

Even though the implants give me some friction

If I smell somethin' wrong

I'm gonna come down strong

It's a SuperDave tradition!

It was so sloppy all around

Everything so amateurish

But Johnny had all his millions

And Patsy was a good-looking dish

How could you do such a terrible thing

Why put yourselves in the position

If you run out of luck

Use the almighty buck

That's a Ramsey family tradition!

A certain trailer park woman

Set me on the road to assimilation

Now I'm saying my part

I'm singing from the heart

Against the RST abomination

Jammy, if you'd been nicer

I might not have changed my position

You wanted a fight

You got one all right

That's my Irish family tradition!

People ask me, "Why do you post

Why do you make note

When will we get to read

That book that you wrote?"

Stop and think it over

put yourself in my unique position

I gotta be true

Why wouldn't you

It's a family tradition!

I'm gonna tell ya just what I think

And I'm not gonna blink

And I don't have big name shysters to whom the DA is linked

Yeah, I joined the Collective

Even though the implants give me some friction

If I smell somethin' wrong

I'm gonna come down strong

It's a SuperDave tradition!

And:

(to the tune of "The Whiskey Ain't Workin'" by Marty Stuart and Travis Tritt.)

There was a time

I could drink the facts away

And deny all of the reasons

that hounded me all day

When the thought of truth came crashin' through

I'd have one more

But now the Kool-Aid ain't workin' anymore!

Finally:

(Sung to the tune of "White Rabbit" by Jefferson Airplane)

One pill makes you larger and one pill makes you small
And the ones that voynich gives you don't do anything at all
Go ask Tricia when she's ten feet tall
And if you go chasing rabbits
And you know you're going to fall
Tell them a black clad RDI Lord has given you the call
Recall JB when she was so small
When men on the crime board get up and tell you where to go
And you've just read some kind of web links, and your mind is running low
Go ask DeeDee...I think she'll know
When logic and proportion have fallen sloppy dead
And HOTYH is talking backwards
And the RN's "OFF WITH HER HEAD"
Remember what SD said
Feed your head
Feed your head