Coincidences

Hmm, well I talked about the BPD investigation not the FBI or any of the other people you named. I don't think they would have had jurisdiction unless invited by BPD. If it was dismissed by them as 'copy cat', then that would be an end to it.

I get you. I honestly don't know what the FBI had to say about "Amy's" case. It's possible that they talked to BPD about it, since the timeline fits with when the police and FBI were in communication, but I don't know.

I wonder about this too. You see, I think it might have been the reason that the DA eventually took over the investigation. That is, the BPD weren't actually working with 'the best of the best' but rather trying to keep it 'in house'. They seemed to take only the advice that agreed with their original theory (RDI) and disregard the rest. Now, I know you will argue this, but it's the way I see it.

Hmm. That's an interesting take on it. To me, it's kind of the reverse. Not only did the old DA, Alex Hunter, CRITICIZE the police for listening to the FBI too closely, but the DA who took over the case (ML) made it a point to only talk to people who agreed with her. Reminds me of Paul Simon's "Boxer."

I think it's very telling that the family of "Amy" felt that they needed to engage a PI to investigate, because the BPD weren't interested in doing so.
I'd love to hear his side of the story.

Maybe. I can't help but wonder if maybe it was something that went too far.

I used that interview to demonstrate the lack of interest he (and by association the whole department) had in investigating leads that weren't RDI. An association between suspects should have got more attention IMO.

Agreed, IF there was any association between the two. That's my point.
 
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Agreed, IF there was any association between the two. That's my point.

Well, this is a coincidences thread, and the coincidence was the association between McSanta and Wolf.

"Q (BY MR. WOOD) Were you aware of any relationship between Bill McReynolds and Chris Wolf?
A Now that you bring it up, yes.
Q Am I correct that in fact the Boulder Police Department was aware that Bill McReynolds had served as an academic advisor at the University of Colorado to Chris Wolf?
A What I can tell you is that sounds familiar. "


I don't think you can deny that there was an association between the two.

Are you also aware of Wolf's part-time work/hobby?
 
Well, this is a coincidences thread, and the coincidence was the association between McSanta and Wolf.

"Q (BY MR. WOOD) Were you aware of any relationship between Bill McReynolds and Chris Wolf?
A Now that you bring it up, yes.
Q Am I correct that in fact the Boulder Police Department was aware that Bill McReynolds had served as an academic advisor at the University of Colorado to Chris Wolf?
A What I can tell you is that sounds familiar. "


I don't think you can deny that there was an association between the two.

I don't believe I did deny it.

Are you also aware of Wolf's part-time work/hobby?

Yeah, a journalist. Hmm...
 
"In the Bedroom of JonBenet, I stood looking at the formal portrait in the ornate gold frame above her dresser, gripped by a haunting feeling that she wanted me to look harder. Later, strips of black duct tape similar to what had been taped over her mouth were discovered on the back of that picture."
ST Page 73

Originally we hoped to prove the black duct tape was from the same pieces found on the back of several portraits in the house.By determining the manufacturer, we might be able to find where it was sold and then track it back to the Ramsey house. We already thought that Patsy might have purchased a roll of such tape from McGuckin’s.
The FBI lab said that both tape samples, from the mouth and the pictures, were a low grade and of low quality, possibly the Shufford Mills model PC-600, but they wouldn’t call it a match
By September 1997 Detective Gosage and I visited the Shufford Mills factory in Hickory, North Carolina and learned that the duct tape was made in small quanties. In fact it only comprised 0.4 percent of the company’s product. We determined that it was sold at McGuckin’s
Shufford Mills gave us various tapes for testing, the dates when changes were made in yarn and scrim counts, recipies for various adhesives, and the various production periods, all of which we sent back to the FBI. In November 1997 the lab said the pieces of tape came from different production runs and had different yarn counts. Same brand, same type, different production run
ST pages 281-282

A detective also found the Boulder portrait framer, who confirmed that the duct tape on the picture was his and that he bought his tape at McGuckin’s.
ST Page 282

"Detective Byfield, for example, had found duct tape that looked similar to the tape found in the wine cellar on the back of two paintings in the home, one of which was hung in JonBenet’s bedroom. The police would later learn that the tape had been placed on the frames by Better Light Photography Studio in 1993 and didn’t match the tape Ramsey said he had ripped off JonBenet’s mouth."
PMPT Page 106

TT: Who was the family photographer?Did the family photograph do JonBenet and Burke?
PR: We went for a while to a fellow named Willis. I can’t remember his last name, but he as at Better in Light Photography. And he’d usually take a Christmas picture. And then I started going to Moto Photo there in, down in Deckens (inaudible).
PR interview 1997

On Dec 2 and Dec 9 of 1996, PR purchased an item from McGuckin’s Hardware which cost $1.99.
TheShufford Mills model PC-600, black duct tape sold for $1.99.

“I retrieved one sample package, a fifty-foot length of white Stansport 32-strand, 3/16-inch woven cord that I had bought. Van Tassell pulled the cord out, frayed an end, held it against the end of the neck ligature, and said, "Look." The soft white braid and inner weave appeared identical. "I think this is the same cord," he said.”
ST Page 261

On Dec. 2, 1996, PR purchased an item from McGuckin’s Hardware which cost $2.29.
The Stansport 32-strand, 3/16-inch woven cord sold for $2.29.
 
Thanks again, Cynic. I wonder how many portraits or framings Better Light had done for the Ramseys and if all the tape put on the back of them was accounted for. This is either one huge coincidence or the tape used on JonBenet could have come from the home after all.
 
Thanks again, Cynic. I wonder how many portraits or framings Better Light had done for the Ramseys and if all the tape put on the back of them was accounted for. This is either one huge coincidence or the tape used on JonBenet could have come from the home after all.

"The black duct tape used on JonBenet's mouth has also not been
sourced to defendants. (SMF 170; PSMF 170.) Both ends of the duct tape
found on her were torn, indicating that it came from a roll of tape
that had been used before. (SMF 171; PSMF 171.) No similar duct tape
was found in the house, nor is there evidence that defendants ever
used or owned such duct tape. (SMF 172; PSMF 172.)"

and

By Jeff Smith, Rocky Mountain News
April 24, 2006

"Things came to a head locally when Rapp and others at his company impersonated John Ramsey, the father of murdered 6-year-old beauty queen JonBenet, to find out information about his finances, airline tickets and such.

Rapp's attempt to impersonate Ramsey to find out what he had bought at a Boulder hardware store set off a chain reaction that led to police casing the store and tracking down Rapp. They got a search warrant and raided Rapp's offices.

Some say Rapp distracted Boulder prosecutors from the JonBenet case because they spent so much time trying to track down how information was leaking. But Rapp said he had no regrets about his work, which found its way into supermarket weeklies. "
 
"The black duct tape used on JonBenet's mouth has also not been
sourced to defendants. (SMF 170; PSMF 170.) Both ends of the duct tape
found on her were torn, indicating that it came from a roll of tape
that had been used before. (SMF 171; PSMF 171.) No similar duct tape
was found in the house, nor is there evidence that defendants ever
used or owned such duct tape. (SMF 172; PSMF 172.)"

and

By Jeff Smith, Rocky Mountain News
April 24, 2006

"Things came to a head locally when Rapp and others at his company impersonated John Ramsey, the father of murdered 6-year-old beauty queen JonBenet, to find out information about his finances, airline tickets and such.

Rapp's attempt to impersonate Ramsey to find out what he had bought at a Boulder hardware store set off a chain reaction that led to police casing the store and tracking down Rapp. They got a search warrant and raided Rapp's offices.

Some say Rapp distracted Boulder prosecutors from the JonBenet case because they spent so much time trying to track down how information was leaking. But Rapp said he had no regrets about his work, which found its way into supermarket weeklies. "

Thanks, Murriflower. I am not familiar with this Mr. Rapp. Could you provide a link to his information?
TIA
Becky
 

Thanks, Cynic. Actually, I had never read this information about Rapp. I won't be calling him Mister again though, as I feel he is a morally reprehensible jerk. Can't say what I really think about him.

"Things came to a head locally when Rapp and others at his company impersonated John Ramsey, the father of murdered 6-year-old beauty queen JonBenet, to find out information about his finances, airline tickets and such.


Curious, though, Murriflower, do you feel that Rapp was working for someone other than tabloids when he obtained information about the Ramseys?
 
This is a coincidence.

Follwoing on from the Theories thread where we were talking about computer/arcade games.

Blizzard Entertainment from the Wiki

"Computer games

* Warcraft: Orcs & Humans (1994) - real-time strategy game
* Warcraft II: Tides of Darkness (1995)
o Warcraft II: Beyond the Dark Portal (1996) - expansion pack to Tides of Darkness"


And from Blizzard's website

Warcraft I

"Credits:

Programming
Bob Fitch, Jesse McReynolds, Michael Morhaime, Patrick Wyatt
"


Hmmmmmmm
 
This is a coincidence.

Follwoing on from the Theories thread where we were talking about computer/arcade games.

Blizzard Entertainment from the Wiki

"Computer games

* Warcraft: Orcs & Humans (1994) - real-time strategy game
* Warcraft II: Tides of Darkness (1995)
o Warcraft II: Beyond the Dark Portal (1996) - expansion pack to Tides of Darkness"


And from Blizzard's website

Warcraft I

"Credits:

Programming
Bob Fitch, Jesse McReynolds, Michael Morhaime, Patrick Wyatt
"


Hmmmmmmm

Google Warcraft with any of these below;

Fat Cats, Stray-Dog, Storm Bolt, Thunder Clap, Summon Beast, Tauren Chieftain, Victory, factions, garrots. Druids, celts.

Double Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm
 
Well, this is a coincidences thread, and the coincidence was the association between McSanta and Wolf.

"Q (BY MR. WOOD) Were you aware of any relationship between Bill McReynolds and Chris Wolf?
A Now that you bring it up, yes.
Q Am I correct that in fact the Boulder Police Department was aware that Bill McReynolds had served as an academic advisor at the University of Colorado to Chris Wolf?
A What I can tell you is that sounds familiar. "


I don't think you can deny that there was an association between the two.

Are you also aware of Wolf's part-time work/hobby?

...another coincidence,Chris Wolf tried to date Susannah Chase who was killed Christmas a year after JB was murdered...
 
maybe....here's a statistic of the word "garotte" being discussed online for the past 3 months
http://boardreader.com/tp/Garrotte.html

looks like it's only being discussed on either Warcraft or JB Forums...

Warcraft could be the connection between a diverse group, with a common interest in a game that can be played on line.

I wonder if there's a sub-culture that acts out some of the computer scenarios?
 

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