Coincidences

[MurriFlower]

Cord checked in Ramsey case
Nylon used in strangling bought locally, sources say
By MATT SEBASTIAN, Camera Staff Writer
Monday, March 9, 1998

Investigators are almost certain the nylon cord used to strangle JonBenét Ramsey came from a Boulder surplus store, sources have told the Daily Camera.

Detectives purchased the Boulder Army Store's entire stock of Stansport white nylon utility cord on May 22, and sent the samples to the Colorado Bureau of Investigation for comparison to the rope found around the 6-year-old's neck and right wrist.

Shannon Long, co-owner of the Boulder Army Store, wouldn't talk on Friday about the police visit, although he confirmed detectives purchased the cord.

"Yeah, they came in - and whatever they bought, they bought," Long said.

The surplus store is at 1545 Pearl St., just past the east end of the Downtown Mall.

The 1/4-inch-wide Stansport cord - which comes packaged in lengths of 50 and 100 feet and often is used for camping or outdoor activities - also is available at McGuckin Hardware.

Sources said Boulder investigators only purchased the nylon cord from the Boulder Army Store, not at McGuckin Hardware.

When asked if investigators had bought quantities of Stansport cord, a McGuckin manager said, "We don't have any comment."

Cmdr. Mark Beckner, who is heading the Ramsey investigation team, could not be reached for comment Friday.

JonBenét Ramsey was found beaten and strangled in the basement of her 15th Street home Dec. 26, 1996.

More than a year later, detectives have no suspects, although they have maintained the 6-year-old's parents remain "under an umbrella of suspicion."

Investigators have determined that the stick used to tighten the garrote around JonBenét's neck was a broken paintbrush found in an arts and crafts basket in the Ramseys' basement.

It is unclear if detectives have been able to ascertain whether the Stansport cord - like the paintbrush - was known to have been in the Ramsey home before the murder.

http://web.dailycamera.com/extra/ramsey/1998/03/09-1.html

Ah yes, the Daily Camera. Unnamed sources, unable to ascertain, could not be reached for coment. Any laboratory reports perhaps??

 

[21merc7]

Yes. It is a coincidence. Laces from a sports shoe or sneaker are not that long. It could also be said that the cord looks remarkably like the flat white cord piping on a navy sailor-type top JB is seen wearing in a school photo. I don't know if the photo is around any more, but she is angelic-looking, like a pretty little school kid, not like a pageant princess. Her hair is pulled back with a big navy bow, in the topknot style she was found in, with he back hanging loose instead of being pulled into a second ponytail. It is one of the sweetest photos of her out there. It has been noted that the flat white braid trim on the collar of that top look very similar to the garrote cord. Patsy did have many of JB's clothes custom made. Despite that, I feel the cord is exactly what LE said it was- standard nylon cord available at two locations in Boulder (McGukin's Hardware and the Army-Navy store). This type if cord is pretty common and widely available.
Aside from that, the garrote cord was matched against cord sold at those two locations and found to be the same type of cord. Matched for fiber content and weave.

Is this the school photo? (If not, I am still looking around.)

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_CAoFDpupTaY/SZ-mhRrqOYI/AAAAAAAABj8/F-LUiRFcYxA/s400/jonbenet[sch].jpg

 

[MurriFlower]

Harking back to an earlier coincidence, I was interested to read a recently posted interview, that indicated Private Detective, Pete Peterson was convinced that the McSanta's were involved. He said he had some prior handwriting samples of Bill Mc (printing rather than cursive) that convinced him that he was the author of the RN.

Mrs McSanta was the author of an award winning (but unpublished) play called Hey Rube, based on the murder of Sylvia Likens. A book also based on this murder by Kate Millett called The Basement: Meditations on a Human Sacrifice.

This and a few other coincidences earlier in this thread keep my suspicious of this couple on the backburner.

For anyone interested in this rather horrid story, here is a link to details of the Likens murder. http://poeforward.blogspot.com/2010/06/deathday-gertrude-baniszewski-1929-1990.html

 

[DeeDee249]

Harking back to an earlier coincidence, I was interested to read a recently posted interview, that indicated Private Detective, Pete Peterson was convinced that the McSanta's were involved. He said he had some prior handwriting samples of Bill Mc (printing rather than cursive) that convinced him that he was the author of the RN.

Mrs McSanta was the author of an award winning (but unpublished) play called Hey Rube, based on the murder of Sylvia Likens. A book also based on this murder by Kate Millett called The Basement: Meditations on a Human Sacrifice.

This and a few other coincidences earlier in this thread keep my suspicious of this couple on the backburner.

For anyone interested in this rather horrid story, here is a link to details of the Likens murder. http://poeforward.blogspot.com/2010/06/deathday-gertrude-baniszewski-1929-1990.html

I concede the creepiness factor of the McSanta book and family in general. But Santa Bill was cleared- he gave DNA and handwriting samples. He was never mentioned as a possible author, and was ruled out officially, unlike Patsy, who was not able to be ruled out as the author.

 

[MurriFlower]

I concede the creepiness factor of the McSanta book and family in general. But Santa Bill was cleared- he gave DNA and handwriting samples. He was never mentioned as a possible author, and was ruled out officially, unlike Patsy, who was not able to be ruled out as the author.

Actually, I think from memory it was said he was unable to be ruled out as the owner of the DNA. Not sure now if he was still alive when the touch-DNA was discovered?

Apparently he provided the BPD with his 'running writing' sample rather than 'printing'. It was this printing that Peterson had found on a former student's papers that convinced him that Bill was the author.

There are so many coincidences about this family that it's hard to ignore.

 

[Peepers]

I concede the creepiness factor of the McSanta book and family in general. But Santa Bill was cleared- he gave DNA and handwriting samples. He was never mentioned as a possible author, and was ruled out officially, unlike Patsy, who was not able to be ruled out as the author.

Santa Bill was cleared. The Ramseys were cleared. Im not talking about the note. The ramseys have been cleared just as Santa Bill was. So either someone that was "cleared" did it, or a stranger we nothing of yet.

 

[azwriter]

Is this the school photo? (If not, I am still looking around.)

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_CAoFDpupTaY/SZ-mhRrqOYI/AAAAAAAABj8/F-LUiRFcYxA/s400/jonbenet[sch].jpg

It may be a school photo. It appears on the back cover the the parent's book: The Death of Innocence.

 

[Peepers]

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSN0944898220080709

"Ramseys definitely cleared.

 

[DeeDee249]

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSN0944898220080709

"Ramseys definitely cleared.

OLD article. NEW DA. The Rs have been "uncleared". Cleared as far as the male DNA - Yes. Cleared as far as the handwriting- NO. Patsy still remains the only known possible author of all those tested. Cleared as far as the crime- no.

 

[Peepers]

There is male DNA unaccounted for. I think that trumps Patsy not being ruled out as the note writer. (I dont mean that in a snotty way)
Not being ruled out does not mean she definitely wrote it. Maybe if they tested me or you we wouldnt be ruled out either.

 

[DeeDee249]

There is male DNA unaccounted for. I think that trumps Patsy not being ruled out as the note writer. (I dont mean that in a snotty way)
Not being ruled out does not mean she definitely wrote it. Maybe if they tested me or you we wouldnt be ruled out either.

I disagree. Obviously the DNA is not Patsy's, but it still doesn't prove she did not write the note.
The assistant DA Pete Hofstrom made the comment that "just because Patsy wrote the note doesn't prove she killed her kid" (his words). He was right. It doesn't. BUT it DOES prove she knew who did. Why else would she write the note? The same logic applied to the note and the DNA. They are neither mutually inclusive or exclusive as to Patsy's authorship of the RN.

 

[joeskidbeck]

I'm pretty sure I'd be ruled out on the dna. But has anyone ever considered that it's not a coincidence that there are clues pointing to McSanta? Do you not believe it's possible that Patsy read that play? Seems to me like they pointed the note at just about everone they knew. With the exception of the Stines, of course. Now that just might be a huge coincidence.

 

[DeeDee249]

I'm pretty sure I'd be ruled out on the dna. But has anyone ever considered that it's not a coincidence that there are clues pointing to McSanta? Do you not believe it's possible that Patsy read that play? Seems to me like they pointed the note at just about everone they knew. With the exception of the Stines, of course. Now that just might be a huge coincidence.

I think I read that Patsy knew about the play that Mrs. Santa wrote, but I don't know if she ever read it.

 

[Peepers]

I meant ruled out as the note writer. Not being ruled out is not the same as she definitely wrote it. We do not KNOW that she wrote it. As far as I know, none of us were there. We dont KNOW what happened.

 

[MurriFlower]

I disagree. Obviously the DNA is not Patsy's, but it still doesn't prove she did not write the note.
The assistant DA Pete Hofstrom made the comment that "just because Patsy wrote the note doesn't prove she killed her kid" (his words). He was right. It doesn't. BUT it DOES prove she knew who did. Why else would she write the note? The same logic applied to the note and the DNA. They are neither mutually inclusive or exclusive as to Patsy's authorship of the RN.

I think McSanta died in 2002 and the touch-DNA wasn't found till 2008?? Is this correct?

Apparently he provided hair and handwriting, eventhough ACR says both he and she provided DNA, I can't confirm it. I do recall reading he couldn't be ruled out on DNA.

 

[DeeDee249]

I think McSanta died in 2002 and the touch-DNA wasn't found till 2008?? Is this correct?

Apparently he provided hair and handwriting, eventhough ACR says both he and she provided DNA, I can't confirm it. I do recall reading he couldn't be ruled out on DNA.

I have never read that Santa couldn't be ruled out on the DNA. He was male, that's about it. If you remember where you read it, let me know.

 

[joeskidbeck]

Well, if any of us know what happened that night, I wish they would tell and give the proper evidence to back it up, cause we are all wasting our time if the answer was here all along and we didn't know it.
I am aware that she was not ruled out and what that means. I have also looked at the note and her exemplars and am pretty satisfied (speaking for myself only) that she did write that note.
I think if Peterson really had the evidence needed to convince the BPD and the DA's office that Bill McReynolds killed JonBenet, we would have heard by now. Since he only wanted to talk to reporters and not LE/DA, I'm pretty sure he was hired just to throw suspicion away from the Ramseys. If anybody can provide a link where he went any further with all his "evidence", I would really love to read it. Thanks!

 

[claudicici]

...and if I were the R's and I was innocent and I had the suspicion that Santa did it ,how could I ever let that go? How could I let the man move across the globe and die in peace? There's no way.Oh wait ,I seem to forget how much sympathy the R's have for whoever killed their child.They wouldn't want the press to bother him and join hands during a church service with him.And remember there are two people that know what happened that night.The one who did it and the one he may have confided in.

 

[Tadpole12]

I think I read that Patsy knew about the play that Mrs. Santa wrote, but I don't know if she ever read it.

Has anyone here at WS read the play?

 

[Tadpole12]

JonBenet: five years, no answers:
Dec 26, 2001

http://news.google.com/newspapers?i...q=jonbenet+ramsey+five+year+anniversary&hl=en


By the fifth anniversary of JBR's death, JR consisdered the perp could be deceased.

"Our strength comes from our innocence." John Ramsey said. "We cannot sit idly by for JonBenet's sake, for the sake of the next child this person will attack, if he's still alive. This is not right. Our government has failed, and our intention is to hold them accountable."





BMcR died in 2002.


http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-91324671.html


ROCKY MOUNTAIN NEWS
''Santa Claus'' is dead.
William ``Bill'' McReynolds, a retired University of Colorado journalism professor who gained unwanted notoriety as the man who played St. Nick for the family of JonBenet Ramsey, died early this week at his home in Mashpee, Mass.
McReynolds was discovered Monday by his wife, Janet. She said a medical examiner determined that a heart attack caused his death. He was 72.