It might seem so, but this is every day life. I realize it was horrible then, and possibly bringing it to light may help stop some of it now. This just shines the light on what's been going on in a specific part of an industry, for a very long time. It goes on all over. I would not sleep with someone to land a job though. Period. If I did? I'd never tell it... I can say this with conviction because I nearly survived on a diet of rock soup in the 80s, while looking for work. It's why I got into technology. On the flip, if I asked someone to sleep with me, for them to land a job, then I'd be a pretty miserable human being, deep down inside, whether I realized it or not.
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It might seem so, but this is every day life. I realize it was horrible then, and possibly bringing it to light may help stop some of it now. This just shines the light on what's been going on in a specific part of an industry, for a very long time. It goes on all over. I would not sleep with someone to land a job though. Period. If I did? I'd never tell it... I can say this with conviction because I nearly survived on a diet of rock soup in the 80s, while looking for work. It's why I got into technology. On the flip, if I asked someone to sleep with me, for them to land a job, then I'd be a pretty miserable human being, deep down inside, whether I realized it or not.
If you've ever watched any of his shows his humor, to me, is very off-putting. The one show, I think it was, Louis? I gave it a shot, thought the story line sounded interesting, and could be funny, and toned down since there were kids in it with a parent. 1.5 episodes and I was done.
I didn't realize how much of an, um, phenomena this nonprivate masterbating seems to be until recently in Abby's and Libby's case when DN's history outlined a record of such behavior, and so many members chimed in that this had happened to them. I was really surprised that this had happened to so many people here.
CNN just ran this story:
Why men use masturbation to harass women
www.cnn.com/2017/11/09/health/masturbation-sexual-harassment/index.html
*I am absolutely mortified to say you can add me to the list of people this has happened to/new member of the club.
It feels like rape.
Oh, I've had guys do that. Women do it too just not as bad as the guys. (See trucker in Thelma and Louise, love the vindication scene).
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The Psychology of Exhibitionism: Why Men Force Women to Watch Them Masturbate
by Elizabeth Chuck
Power, control, and a pathological desire to elicit fear all play into why a man might engage in exhibitionism, sex therapists say, in the wake of bombshell revelations against comedian Louis C.K.
Two female comedians told the New York Times this week that Louis C.K. masturbated in front of them in 2002 in a hotel room after inviting them up for a drink. Three other women told the Times about other instances of sexual misconduct by the creator of the FX series "Louie."
On Friday, Louis C.K. confirmed the accounts and said he was "remorseful." ...
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-new...men-force-women-watch-them-masturbate-n819731
A little levity: When DH lived in the dorm freshman/sophomore year (University of Michigan), a guy who lived on his floor last name was Bader. I don't think I have to spell out what they called him (respectful title for a young man)
by Elizabeth Chuck
Power, control, and a pathological desire to elicit fear all play into why a man might engage in exhibitionism, sex therapists say, in the wake of bombshell revelations against comedian Louis C.K.
Two female comedians told the New York Times this week that Louis C.K. masturbated in front of them in 2002 in a hotel room after inviting them up for a drink. Three other women told the Times about other instances of sexual misconduct by the creator of the FX series "Louie."
On Friday, Louis C.K. confirmed the accounts and said he was "remorseful." ...
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-new...men-force-women-watch-them-masturbate-n819731
A little levity: When DH lived in the dorm freshman/sophomore year (University of Michigan), a guy who lived on his floor last name was Bader. I don't think I have to spell out what they called him (respectful title for a young man)
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Women do this too? Never heard of that...
Probably because dudes don't seem to mind.
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I didn't realize how much of an, um, phenomena this nonprivate masterbating seems to be until recently in Abby's and Libby's case when DN's history outlined a record of such behavior, and so many members chimed in that this had happened to them. I was really surprised that this had happened to so many people here.
CNN just ran this story:
Why men use masturbation to harass women
www.cnn.com/2017/11/09/health/masturbation-sexual-harassment/index.html
*I am absolutely mortified to say you can add me to the list of people this has happened to/new member of the club.
It feels like rape.
Wow, whatever happened to morality, in particular that old fashioned virtue known as modesty , then the sense of propriety, and respect for other people. All of these qualities are totally foreign concepts to these creeps.
What a sad state of affairs. These docs can call it what they want, exhibitionism or whatever, but I think it boils down to these abusive people having absolutely no upbringing, none whatsoever.
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Exactly.
People who do this have been around for a long, long, long time. We are just now beginning to de-stigmatize talking about this happening so we are getting to hear about it now. I know it happened in the 50s and 60s as it happened to people I know. Creepy behavior (including exhibitionistic masturbation) were often described as the guys at the theater and the park who might or might not lure someone but they loved having people (getting caught by surprise) notice and watch them.
I am afraid the idea of morality or modesty was not at play for decades, or, even, centuries. I agree that the idea is totally foreign to these creeps.
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I'm kind of torn on the Pee Wee Herman thing. At least he was masturbating in an adult theater. I've never been to an adult theater, never want to go (I've never even seen porn), but I assume that in a theater showing pornography that someone, maybe everyone, is getting off. If you don't want to see sexual acts, maybe don't go see Debbie Does Dallas. Then again, if you really want to masturbate, watch it at home, though I think if I hit a rental shop, I'd spray the DVD cases with Lysol or wear gloves. Probably both.
There's a big difference between what Paul Reubens did and what the current list of creeps and predators have done. MOO.
There's a big difference between what Paul Reubens did and what the current list of creeps and predators have done. MOO.
Exactly. I don't hold that over Paul Reubens' at all. Those theaters are/were there for the folks who enjoy that type of movie and, sometimes, I guess, the excitement just got to be too much. (Heck, I think there's been a lot of baby's conceived, in the back seats of cars, at the Drive-Ins, 50 sum years ago, while watching Beach Party. When the car is a rockin' don't come a knockin'.)
On the subject of porn, and the "don't watch if you don't like it", I've seen porn, and I found it both hysterical, and sad. I call some of the stuff on t.v. today, soft-core porn. There's some scenes in shows like Son's of Anarchy that were pretty porn-y but not hard core, and actually had a story. I digress, we have a drive-in left, that is within driving distance to us. I love to go to the drive-in. Went not long ago. The others around here have faded away. When I was a child though, there was one, on the main drag, into our nearest major city. Then came the time that drive-ins started going out of fashion, and some dude bought the one, on that highway. He decided to show porn on it. Porn. Debbie Does the United States, porn. On the side of the highway. There was a tree-line, but, it was gigantic porn, you couldn't miss it. I wasn't very old and we'd be driving back from the city, after dark, and here we'd go, the whole family, past the drive-in, with gigantic porn being played. I wasn't sure what I was really seeing, at that age, but I knew that I wasn't really supposed to be seeing that, and those, etc... I remember the car would always fall into this uncomfortable silence as we drove by. Then everyone would start talking again after the porn part of the ride was over. Childhood memories... :laughing:
Porn is simply another part of this whole thing of people as objects. Maybe someday we will start looking at people as human beings instead of receptacles for our own pleasure and to the he** with them having any feelings or humanity
I agree. I also think it is important to note that while the acts perpetrated by Louis C. K. and others appear related to sex, they are not. They are "power over" situations that utilize masturbation or assault as a way to exert dominance or power over the victim/survivor. Although they may ejaculate, the excitement is sparked by the exertion of their power. By doing actions that undermine or disregard someone's ability to consent is taking control. I think it is important to note that when we let the conversation rest in the area of sexual display, it becomes normalized within the bounds of sexuality. It is important to remember that this is not just being a receptacle but rather an unwilling receptacle that is dehumanized by the power assertion that comes in the form of sex as a weapon.
I agree, that all of this, Wanna see my d***? is, even if he truly didn't realize it as power, it was power. I've had a hard time explaining to my parents, that rape is not about sex. They don't understand b/c there's got to be willing participants out there that they feel that these people could have connected with, (or, for Pete's sake, pay a prostitute if you're that hard up! Not that they approve of prostitution at all, but they see it as better than raping someone.) and some are married, so why on earth are they raping people? In other countries, and in prisons, men will rape other men, who are not homosexual, as a form of power. Yet I see on WS every day that folks hope that people "will be taken care of" in prison. My kid is incarcerated right now and I worry every single day that someone will hurt him. Two wrongs don't make a right. I try to explain, it's power. It has very little, if anything, to do with actual sex.
Porn started almost the day after the first camera was made available to folks. Porn flicks started very shortly after the first video capability was made available. Before that there was burlesque. When allowed to do as they please, on private property, folks will shuck off their clothes quite freely, in front of others. Males and females. Sex and the human body, is always going to be something that fascinates people. Look at the paintings, and art, and statutes, from early centuries. My parents feel that they are inappropriate. I feel they are art. The human body is beautiful but that doesn't give anyone a license for going around pawing and mauling on others like a dog in heat.
I am not in the least bit surprised with all the Hollywood/entertainment industry perversion we are hearing about. I am only surprised that people are coming forward and it is being made public.
They all make me sick. I can't even watch a movie without thinking that the actors were all subjected to forced sexual acts, forced others to perform sex acts for them and that all the children were being raped.
No wonder so many child actors are drug addicts or killed themselves. They were being raped and everyone knew and no one cared.
They all make me sick. I can't even watch a movie without thinking that the actors were all subjected to forced sexual acts, forced others to perform sex acts for them and that all the children were being raped.
No wonder so many child actors are drug addicts or killed themselves. They were being raped and everyone knew and no one cared.
This issue is not only in the entertainment industry. There are business people, politicians, medical professionals, journalists, etc. who have been named as assaulters, abusers, and all.
I am surprised that people are speaking up and out. I am also surprised by the level of support in the general community. I think that this has gone across ages, genders, religions, and politics means that we might be able to shift how power and ethics are joined in the future.
Children have been raped and abused for eons --- in real life and the movies. It is time all of this comes out of the shadows.
It's so shocking because we've seen these actors right in our living room and watched these kids grow up and burn out but some have really good careers later on. I don't think that everyone in Hollywood raped or abused someone, however, it's gone on in the industry for awhile. Remember back in the day of hearing about the "casting couch"? Remember hearing about a certain person at work who got a promotion without any credentials or appropriate skills/education? It's gone on as long as humans have inhabited the earth. Hopefully this well put a stop to some of it, but the most vulnerable of the population, worldwide? I doubt that it will help.
No, I missed it. What was on?
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