compare the parent's statements to media here

[redheadedgal]

I actually have a friend whose husband can't sleep w/o a fan. When they came to visit us, they bought a fan to put in the room they were staying in. A ceiling fan wasn't loud enough, he needed one that he could point straight on him. No matter the temperature he always has it on when he sleeps.

thanks golem... but, two thoughts:

he's not listening for a baby is he?

would a budget conscious person allow this?

 

[4Jacy]

1) i would imagine that an alcohol or drug induced sleep/stupor would definitely impair a mommy's hearing even if she heard her baby usually...

2) JI said DB sleeps with the fan on high... just read some comments on RR fb page... considering it was not hot out that night (50s), would she really have the fan on, on high? or was this said merely as another reason she didn't hear "the intruder"? of course, it's possible it was used as white noise... but you'd think JI would have a problem with this too... he turns out all the lights to save money so why allow a fan to run all night when it was not required for comfort reasons (heat)? plus, if you were as drunk as she says she was, would you really bother to turn on the fan on a not so hot night? i think i'd just flop into bed...

Some people, like me, are just weird. I sleep with an overhead fan on all winter and summer. I turn down the heat to 55 in winter, and the a/c as cold as I can get it in summer. But still my fan is always on. Crazy, right? :seeya:

 

[hambirg]

Some people, like me, are just weird. I sleep with an overhead fan on all winter and summer. I turn down the heat to 55 in winter, and the a/c as cold as I can get it in summer. But still my fan is always on. Crazy, right? :seeya:

My SIL always sleeps with a fan running. She even brings one on vacations for the hotel room. I know some people are just like that, maybe DB is one of them. However, she did have a baby monitor. I don't think she heard BL cry. . .because there was no stranger that snuck into her room in the middle of the night and removed her clothes. If DB was drunk, she may not of heard somebody moving around in the house. But if BL had cried, I'm not buying that she wouldn't have heard her.

 

[Donjeta]

And the master bedroom is even further away, stands to reason if the boys' room was too far away to hear it, the one in the parents' room wouldn't hear it either.

Deb says she had the baby monitor on. Anybody in the same room with her could have heard something from the baby monitor.

 

[askfornina]

[ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=7676819&postcount=7"]Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - JI and DB Statements[/ame]

[ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=7676821&postcount=8"]Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - JI and DB Statements[/ame]


Those two posts contain links and transcripts of all DB/JI interviews and statements in chronological order to the best of my ability. Definitely worth reading through. Let me know if you notice anything missing.

 

[vlpate]

Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - JI and DB Statements

Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - JI and DB Statements


Those two posts contain links and transcripts of all DB/JI interviews and statements in chronological order to the best of my ability. Definitely worth reading through. Let me know if you notice anything missing.

Thank you so much!

 

[vlpate]

My SIL always sleeps with a fan running. She even brings one on vacations for the hotel room. I know some people are just like that, maybe DB is one of them. However, she did have a baby monitor. I don't think she heard BL cry. . .because there was no stranger that snuck into her room in the middle of the night and removed her clothes. If DB was drunk, she may not of heard somebody moving around in the house. But if BL had cried, I'm not buying that she wouldn't have heard her.

Imagine, a 10 month old that NO ONE heard crying all night. The baby at 12:15 wasn't crying and was still a happy little camper, being carried around the neighborhood, half dressed, and probably hungry at 4:00 a.m.

Why did DB put her to bed at 6:40? She was fussing. Fussy is mom-speak for cranky and whiny. Yet, not a peep after 6:40.

 

[Donjeta]

The hatchet wielding Juggalos are so good with kids.

 

[cityslick]

Imagine, a 10 month old that NO ONE heard crying all night. The baby at 12:15 wasn't crying and was still a happy little camper, being carried around the neighborhood, half dressed, and probably hungry at 4:00 a.m.

Why did DB put her to bed at 6:40? She was fussing. Fussy is mom-speak for cranky and whiny. Yet, not a peep after 6:40.

I don't how long it's been since you have kids but it's not out of the realm of possibility. My daughter was put down earlier some nights around that age, especially if she didn't nap/hardly napped during the day. She then slept for 12 hours. And it wasn't because she was sick or anything, just fussy due to no nap.

 

[hambirg]

I don't how long it's been since you have kids but it's not out of the realm of possibility. My daughter was put down earlier some nights around that age, especially if she didn't nap/hardly napped during the day. She then slept for 12 hours. And it wasn't because she was sick or anything, just fussy due to no nap.

But didn't they tell us that Lisa was waking up from a nap at 4:30pm? I'll have to go back and look, but there was something about Lisa being in her crib at that time.

 

[cityslick]

But didn't they tell us that Lisa was waking up from a nap at 4:30pm? I'll have to go back and look, but there was something about Lisa being in her crib at that time.

I don't know if BL's movements/activities has ever been verified one way or the other (hence the theories if she was even alive/accounted for prior to 6:40pm).

My point was simply that it's not unheard of to put a child of BL's age down at that time, for whatever the reason. I can only compare it to my own situation at I know it was a fact for my kid to sleep 12 hours at a time (we routinely woke up at 6am due to work).

 

[hambirg]

I don't know if BL's movements/activities has ever been verified one way or the other (hence the theories if she was even alive/accounted for prior to 6:40pm).

My point was simply that it's not unheard of to put a child of BL's age down at that time, for whatever the reason. I can only compare it to my own situation at I know it was a fact for my kid to sleep 12 hours at a time (we routinely woke up at 6am due to work).

I can agree with that. My kids gave up naps pretty early and would sleep through the night. But the part that bothers me is that we don't know if BL ate. I think she would have woke up and at least wanted a bottle at some point if she didn't eat dinner. The other part that I don't believe is even if she was sleeping all that time, that DB wouldn't have checked on her. If my baby had been sick, I would have at least peaked in on them. . .probably checked to see if they were running a fever etc.

I struggle with that part though. Did DB never really check on Lisa because she was getting her drunk on, or did she check on her? She would probably be motivated to lie about either of those situations, kwim?

 

[vlpate]

But didn't they tell us that Lisa was waking up from a nap at 4:30pm? I'll have to go back and look, but there was something about Lisa being in her crib at that time.

Yes, this was part of the time line provided by BS -- Samantha B. saw Lisa IN HER CRIB at 4:30.

Seems that's where she spent most of her time that day, IF you believe the timeline provided by BS.

 

[cityslick]

I can agree with that. My kids gave up naps pretty early and would sleep through the night. But the part that bothers me is that we don't know if BL ate. I think she would have woke up and at least wanted a bottle at some point if she didn't eat dinner. The other part that I don't believe is even if she was sleeping all that time, that DB wouldn't have checked on her. If my baby had been sick, I would have at least peaked in on them. . .probably checked to see if they were running a fever etc.

I struggle with that part though. Did DB never really check on Lisa because she was getting her drunk on, or did she check on her? She would probably be motivated to lie about either of those situations, kwim?

Taking it from an innocent point of view, she may have assumed that she checked on her at 10:30pm if it was her routine to do so before she went to bed (it was ours when our daughter was little). The sickness to me is irrelevant, unless it was something serious. That's what baby monitors are for if it's a cold. Now, I know it's said that no one can confirm there was a baby monitor out there, but we are relying on the words of SB for that info, someone who hasn't talked at all about details about that night.

I think saying initially that she last saw her at 10:30pm was a CYA moment whether she's guilty or innocent. If she's innocent, she may have thought that she should tell them 10:30pm, whether she truly remembered doing that or not so that it doesn't look like neglect (perhaps why she always thought she was going to be arrested).

I struggle with believing how any human being, much less DB can sit on her fanny for 4 plus hours in relatively one spot, while drinking and not going inside once to either check on the kids or even go to the bathroom.

 

[cityslick]

Yes, this was part of the time line provided by BS -- Samantha B. saw Lisa IN HER CRIB at 4:30.

Seems that's where she spent most of her time that day, IF you believe the timeline provided by BS.

But since it came from him I would say it's not very credible. Therefore there is no way to know if BL was in or out of the crib, ate dinner, etc.

 

[vlpate]

I don't how long it's been since you have kids but it's not out of the realm of possibility. My daughter was put down earlier some nights around that age, especially if she didn't nap/hardly napped during the day. She then slept for 12 hours. And it wasn't because she was sick or anything, just fussy due to no nap.

My comment had nothing to do with BL sleeping through the night - obviously she wasn't asleep in MT's eyewitness version, right?

I don't believe for a moment that ANY 10 month old baby with a cold and an ear infection would sleep soundly, or remain content, thorough being kidnapped, jostled around, and cold for 5-8 hours. It doesn't matter how long it's been since I've had kids, they haven't evolved into deaf mutes over the past 20 years. The way babies communicate is crying - when they are hungry, cold, thirsty, wet, poopy, want down, etc. They don't have the ability to politely and quietly ask for any of those things - they cry. IMO

 

[norest4thewicked]

Reading through this last page of comments...this is why I think that Lisa was gone already...probably Sunday late at night after dark or very early in the morning before light.

 

[hambirg]

Taking it from an innocent point of view, she may have assumed that she checked on her at 10:30pm if it was her routine to do so before she went to bed (it was ours when our daughter was little). The sickness to me is irrelevant, unless it was something serious. That's what baby monitors are for if it's a cold. Now, I know it's said that no one can confirm there was a baby monitor out there, but we are relying on the words of SB for that info, someone who hasn't talked at all about details about that night.

I think saying initially that she last saw her at 10:30pm was a CYA moment whether she's guilty or innocent. If she's innocent, she may have thought that she should tell them 10:30pm, whether she truly remembered doing that or not so that it doesn't look like neglect (perhaps why she always thought she was going to be arrested).

I struggle with believing how any human being, much less DB can sit on her fanny for 4 plus hours in relatively one spot, while drinking and not going inside once to either check on the kids or even go to the bathroom.

BBM That would be an incredibly stupid thing to do if you are innocent of any wrongdoing in the case of your missing child. Surely anybody would realize how important a timeline is in a crime like this. Imagine somebody saw a woman walking in the neighborhood with a baby they thought looked like BL at 8:00pm? But then they hear on the news or see on a flier that BL was last seen at 10:30pm. The witness then thinks that they didn't see BL or that they saw her before something happened. . .out with her mom, grandma, babysitter, etc. It's why I don't believe that DB told LE that she "maybe" saw her at 10:30pm. LE would know that the timeline is critical. They would want to be sure from DB that that was the last time she saw BL. .. no "maybe" stuff.

I also don't think that anybody that is completely innocent in the case of their missing child would be deceptive about something so benign as they were drinking out on the stoop that night. That's not even a crime. Why try to be deceptive about that if it really is unrelated to your missing child? People have admitted to much worse things when they were innocent regarding a bigger crime. I remember a local case where a Craigslist escort went to a man's house and he held her against her will, raped her repeatedly and held her in some kind of torture chamber in his basement. When she escaped she didn't hide from LE the fact that she was prostituting and went to his house intentionally. That was looked at as a minor detail in a much more serious crime where LE had bigger fish to fry.

MOO

 

[cityslick]

BBM That would be an incredibly stupid thing to do if you are innocent of any wrongdoing in the case of your missing child. Surely anybody would realize how important a timeline is in a crime like this. Imagine somebody saw a woman walking in the neighborhood with a baby they thought looked like BL at 8:00pm? But then they hear on the news or see on a flier that BL was last seen at 10:30pm. The witness then thinks that they didn't see BL or that they saw her before something happened. . .out with her mom, grandma, babysitter, etc. It's why I don't believe that DB told LE that she "maybe" saw her at 10:30pm. LE would know that the timeline is critical. They would want to be sure from DB that that was the last time she saw BL. .. no "maybe" stuff.

I also don't think that anybody that is completely innocent in the case of their missing child would be deceptive about something so benign as they were drinking out on the stoop that night. That's not even a crime. Why try to be deceptive about that if it really is unrelated to your missing child? People have admitted to much worse things when they were innocent regarding a bigger crime. I remember a local case where a Craigslist escort went to a man's house and he held her against her will, raped her repeatedly and held her in some kind of torture chamber in his basement. When she escaped she didn't hide from LE the fact that she was prostituting and went to his house intentionally. That was looked at as a minor detail in a much more serious crime where LE had bigger fish to fry.

MOO

DB has done a number of incredibly stupid things in this case regardless of guilt so I don't think initially telling LE about 10:30 in order to not look like worst mother in the world is a stretch. Hasn't it been mentioned that she follows cases such as these? Perhaps the first thought in her head is 'they are all going to point the finger at me, I can't make it look like I didn't give a damn because I was drinking at night'. The drinking makes her look bad if she's innocent. The staying outside all night with kids in the house makes her look bad if she's innocent. On top of that, she doesn't strike me as the most mature person in the world who knows what the right decision is to make, especially in a crisis situation such as this.

 

[hambirg]

DB has done a number of incredibly stupid things in this case regardless of guilt so I don't think initially telling LE about 10:30 in order to not look like worst mother in the world is a stretch. Hasn't it been mentioned that she follows cases such as these? Perhaps the first thought in her head is 'they are all going to point the finger at me, I can't make it look like I didn't give a damn because I was drinking at night'. The drinking makes her look bad if she's innocent. The staying outside all night with kids in the house makes her look bad if she's innocent. On top of that, she doesn't strike me as the most mature person in the world who knows what the right decision is to make, especially in a crisis situation such as this.

Her behavior is only incredibly stupid and illogical if you assume she is innocent. If you look at her behavior based on the premise that she is guilty. . .then it becomes logical.

Premise. . .DB is innocent:

Telling LE last saw BL at 10:30pm.--could totally hamper the investigation if she is not sure. . .might make it harder for LE to find her missing child. . .illogical

Omitting that she was drinking that night--the same. . hampers investigation and makes it harder for LE to uncover the truth and find her missing baby. . .illogical

Changes the timeline to 6:40pm after the dog hit--timing is random and makes DB look that much less credible. . .makes LE that much more suspicious of DB. . .hampers investigation and makes if harder for LE to uncover the truth and bring BL home. . .illogical.

Premise DB is guilty:

Telling LE she last saw BL at 10:30pm--makes it sound like a normal night. Gives the defense that something happened to BL while DB was sleeping. . .logical

Omitting she was drinking that night--same. Makes it sound like it was a normal night. Gives the defense that all was well until after DB went to sleep. . .logical

Changes timeline to 6:40pm after dog hit--timing is not random. It is based on knowing that she knows the dog hit is valid and will likely be backed up by other forensic evidence. Knows that nobody will believe that a SODDI broke into the house, stole the phones, undressed BL, killed her and laid her on the floor where DB and boy(s) were sleeping in the bedroom after 10:30pm. Soooo. . .must make it somehow still plausible that a SODDI could have done this. . .changes timeline. . .logical.

MOO

ETA_she has a team of defense lawyers that I doubt very much would allow her to continue to do incredibly stupid things. I don't believe if she was innocent that her first thought would be to lie about the things that she did. I would hope her first thought would be to help LE find her baby.