Connecticut school district on lockdown after shooting report at a Newtown elemen-#4

[gngr~snap]

The Red Cross is in attendance and is handing out blankets and water and stuffed animals

http://newtown.patch.com/articles/residents-line-up-for-sandy-hook-vigil-in-newtown#photo-12600332

 

[SmoothOperator]

All of this is just horrendous. NL's death also breaks my heart. This woman, it appears, gave up everything for her son. She never remarried. She gave up her career. I don't doubt that it cost her marriage and cost her much, if not all, of her relationship with her older son. (IMO from reading "reports" since it is easy to draw the link if RL hadn't seen his brother in such a lengthy time, he also had not seen his mom since she couldn't leave him alone.) A friend who's blog we linked here before even said that she was willing to pack up and go wherever he went if he got into college so that she could care for him.

All of us parent differently. All of us have different kids. It's easy to armchair quarterback. But, she, as most of us parents do, was likely doing the best she could. Did she make mistakes? Yes. Do we all make mistakes in parenting our children? Yes.

In the end, her dedication to him cost her her life.

May she have peace now. She earned it.

All, of course, IMHO.

I agree with you and just want to say that tho, I have personally put forth several posts that's primary focus was on mom, her being an avid gun collector, and emphatic questioning about what security measures were in place in the home.. and I still believe that to be a very important key issue THAT IMO IS COMPLETELY SEPARATE FROM THE GUN CONTROL ISSUE..

IMO its an issue that's very relevant to this case, but in my bringing forth such discussion my intent is in no way to put this mom in a bad light..that is not at all my personal intent.. so, I just wanted to be clear in why I personally am one who continues to broach this particular subject that involves mom and that my intent is not to imply any negativity per se regarding mom, but rather discussing the safety measures that IMO she very likely did in fact have in place and believed to be sufficient in protecting her son from himself, as well as protecting herself and others from any dangers WRT her gun collection..jmo.

A 'Very Positive Mom'

Former neighbor Ryan Kraft remembered Nancy as a “very positive mom,” who was “focused on getting them [her sons] what they needed and what they wanted.”

Kraft recalled one anecdote from just a day or two after the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001.

“A day or two after [Nancy] went to Home Depot, to Lowes — to all the hardware stores in the area — and spent probably $3,000 on gloves and mittens and coats and drove them down to New York,” he said.

“She was that kind of person: would do something and act immediately if she could help.”

http://newtown.patch.com/articles/p...-of-gunman-27th-victim-in-sandy-hook-shooting

Thanks for posting and highlighting this, Ms Facetious.. It stung my eyes with tears as I read it because IMO this is the proof positive that this mother, who is a victim herself, was a good mother, was very caring, and giving to others as well.. including teaching her sons to give of themselves to others when in times of crisis such as 9/11..or natural disasters as we see so much of these days..

It made me think that had this happened and the shooter have been someone else's son other than Nancy Lanza's and she was alive and well at this moment in time while her community is in such a state of shock, sadness, and despair.. IMO I haven't a doubt that this mother, Nancy Lanza would be one of those who was out there in her broken community, hands on helping and giving of herself in any way that she possibly could for those families with loved ones lost..

The above article IMO brought about the much needed realness of who and what this woman was as a person in this life, not only as just a mother, but as a giving, loving member of her community who, if alive in this situation would be one right there giving of herself and comforting her community in the tragic loss of some of their communities youngest, and most innocent citizens..

AGAIN, Thanks for posting!

I've been following along with everybody else during this unthinkable tragedy. I've wanted to post several times, but just didn't, and still don't have the words.... I've held up pretty well, getting a bit teary eyed but nothing major. This story did it for me. Those poor, poor children!... This little girl is truly amazing!

Yes, nephers ITA and while Ive been unable to contain my ever flowing emotions and river of tears in these last two days I agree that this emerging story of this young, little girl had the rivers flowing once more..

I know that some were perturbed, and even some appalled at this preacher having shared with the public/media this young girls story of survival as was told him by her family IMO..

I personally saw it a bit different in that I did not at all have any feeling of this being shared for the wrong reasons..whether it be for selfish gain..or whether it be told with lack of consideration for the young girl and/or her family.. IMO it was nothing of the sort, but rather quite the opposite in his wanting to share that in spite of the evil that was in that young girls presence...in that young girls very own classroom Friday morning..and despite that evil intention to figuratively and literally snuff out and extinguish all light from each of these young souls in that classroom that morning(in delivering multiple gunshots to each victim numbering from the least being 3 to the most being 11 shots in one of the victims)...

Yet despite such measures of true overkill taken in this person wanting to kill EVERYTHING GOOD AND RIGHT AND WHOSE LIGHT SHONE BRIGHT FROM THEIR SOULS ..despite his wanting to make extra damn sure that all of that which is good that was in his presence, his wanting it gone..snuffed out..dead..

Yet here is this beautiful little girl who it seems as tho, a combination of chance(f ya wanna call it that but IMO much different is that she was spared for a reason...a reason that may not be clear today, tomorrow, or next year).. a reason that she or others may not know or understand for many years to come...but IMO there is a reason that her little life was spared..which is just incredible especially when one looks at the evil determination and overkill of this individual...IMO it makes her survival all the more amazing..and IMO in this time of such despair, a story being shared of something so amazing as what this little girls story is..

Well...IMO only.. there was no negative intent or even the slightest lack of consideration on the part of this preacher..just the opposite, if not even in fact possibly encouraged by her family for the preacher to publicly share their daughters amazing survival ...whereas they as parents for whatever reason were unable to publicly tell their daughters amazing story of survival, but yet thought it may possibly be something of a tiny uplifting nature amidst all the pain and tragedy of the community at this present time...

But all of that of course is nothing but jmo and my own personal take on this preacher sharing this story publicly..nothing more, nothing less.

 

[sweetcaro]

I cannot stop feeling so helpless over this, teary, angry. I am in Australia and feel this raft of emotions. It must be terrible for you all over there.

 

[LaneGirl]

My gf tried to take her son into ER a dozen times or more when her son was suicidal. Every single time they would get there the doctor would say- are you going to kill yourself or are you contemplating suicide? He would say "no" and that was the end of it.
Often nothing can be done until it is too late or they have done something illegal. I can only speak for CA- but it is very difficult to get someone committed involuntarily. If they are not doing anything actively that is a danger to others- then the thought police cannot do anything at all.
Involuntary commitment is a slippery slope.
As you say, the men you worked with were already incarcerated- presumably because they did something wrong. Prior to that- unless they actively seek it out or agree to be hospitalized it is nearly impossible to get done on a hunch or a fear- even if founded. The resources are there but the MI have to get onboard and the catch22 is that they are MI and don't always get it.

I truly don't know what the answer is because I would not want someone to be able to commit me on the word of another person only. KWIM?

As a mother I would like to think that no mother would ever try to commit their child without reason. Having said that I'm sure their are parents out there that would, but I would think professionals would be able to "test" these children and find out if they are in fact troubled. I hope that professionals wouldn't be able to be tripped up by "troubled" ones. But I also look for good in all so maybe I am wrong?

 

[writerranger]

IMO; stockpiling weapons because of 12/21/2012 does make you "off". You're planning on fighting off....Who? What? It's ridiculous.

Nobody said anything about the 12/21/12 silliness. Doomsday preppers are preparing for a financial collapse.

 

[gngr~snap]

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/storie...ME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2012-12-16-18-57-57


ATF: Gunman, mother visited shooting range

Authorities say Lanza shot his mother in the head four times, then drove to an elementary school with enough ammunition to kill every student.

Looks like this MIGHT be credible.... if truly from ATF

 

[24k]

I don't know of anywhere that allowed the institutionalizing of anyone indefinitely. The fact is that there are little to NO mental health resources now in most communities.

Abuses are certainly horrible and there have been abuses found in VA hospitals but nobody is thinking of solving the abuse problem by closing them all down.

I think the protection of innocents trumps the rights of mentally-ill people who need protection from themselves.

JMO

I don't. If we can't house people in a humane manner, we shouldn't be housing them at all. Having a mental illness doesn't make them animals who don't deserve basic decency. Hell, I wouldn't be okay with animals being housed in abusive situations.

Most mentally ill people aren't dangerous. People with schizophrenia, which is considered by many to be one of the worst mental illnesses, are more likely to be the <i>victims</i> of violent crimes than the perpetrators. So no, it's not okay to house mentally ill people in unsafe environments simply because they "might" be a danger.

 

[pamelahl1]

http://www.ksdk.com/video/default.aspx?bctid=2036397606001
~Witness talks about seeing man in woods



http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/video?id=8920485
~Interview with student, dad in Newtown


~ both video reports from mainstream news about the "man in handcuffs"

 

[shygrl]

As for the link about Doomsday Prepping not being MSM....how about NBC network affiliate WHDH? The video is at the link I provided.....The following is the transcript - the video with her sister from WHDH is online - again, at this link: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2012/12/wow_waiting_for_the_apocalypse.php



WHDH 7 in New Hampshire, the local NBC affiliate, interviewed Lanza’s former sister-in-law, Marsha …

“Last time we visited with her in person we talked about prepping and you know, are you ready for what can happen down the line when the economy collapses,” said the gunman’s aunt, Marsha Lanza.

The reporter asked, “Survivalist kind of thing?”

“Yea,” said Marsha Lanza.

Nancy’s guns were supposed to be for self defense. Marsha Lanza called her nephew a special needs child. So far, no motive has been released.

“Just pray for peace,” said Marsha Lanza. “Do I think gun laws need to be changed? No. It’s the person that does the killing, not the gun.”

I am confused I posted the link to article a couple pages back where she said she hadn't seen Adam sense he was 3. If NL had to keep an eye on him how would this woman have visited her without seeing Adam? So when did this prepping talk happen?

 

[MyBelle]

My gf tried to take her son into ER a dozen times or more when her son was suicidal. Every single time they would get there the doctor would say- are you going to kill yourself or are you contemplating suicide? He would say "no" and that was the end of it.
Often nothing can be done until it is too late or they have done something illegal. I can only speak for CA- but it is very difficult to get someone committed involuntarily. If they are not doing anything actively that is a danger to others- then the thought police cannot do anything at all.
Involuntary commitment is a slippery slope.
As you say, the men you worked with were already incarcerated- presumably because they did something wrong. Prior to that- unless they actively seek it out or agree to be hospitalized it is nearly impossible to get done on a hunch or a fear- even if founded. The resources are there but the MI have to get onboard and the catch22 is that they are MI and don't always get it.

I truly don't know what the answer is because I would not want someone to be able to commit me on the word of another person only. KWIM?

Your gf's son is exactly why these services and resources are essential to every community. My state is different and a suicidal person can be confined for three days for evaluation. But there still are not solutions in terms of resources for parents and these troubled children over a long-period of time.

Evidently when Adam was a student, there were those aware that he could not feel pain emotionally or physically. One teacher mentioned he worried about him hurting himself in shop class. Sometimes Adam would simply walk off from school. I think he was clearly kid who needed additional, intensive care and the burden should not be on the school to protect him from himself or the other students.

JMO

 

[fred&edna]

I assume these are the first responders we are seeing at the vigil?

Sorry, kinda' lost here!

 

[gngr~snap]

CNN first responders come in and embrace each other.
This is the first time many of them have been reunited since
being on the scene.
Pres. Obama to arrive momentarily...

 

[MyBelle]

I don't. If we can't house people in a humane manner, we shouldn't be housing them at all. Having a mental illness doesn't make them animals who don't deserve basic decency. Hell, I wouldn't be okay with animals being housed in abusive situations.

Most mentally ill people aren't dangerous. People with schizophrenia, which is considered by many to be one of the worst mental illnesses, are more likely to be the <i>victims</i> of violent crimes than the perpetrators. So no, it's not okay to house mentally ill people in unsafe environments simply because they "might" be a danger.

Nowhere did I suggest we should house someone in an inhumane manner. GMAB.

 

[writerranger]

I am confused I posted the link to article a couple pages back where she said she hadn't seen Adam sense he was 3. If NL had to keep an eye on him how would this woman have visited her without seeing Adam? So when did this prepping talk happen?

Fair question. Again, it's all pieces of a puzzle and very often there is conflicting information.

 

[CarmelEyesD]

Applause for first responders...God Bless them..

 

[gxm]

I am confused I posted the link to article a couple pages back where she said she hadn't seen Adam sense he was 3. If NL had to keep an eye on him how would this woman have visited her without seeing Adam? So when did this prepping talk happen?

It sounds like they talked over the internet (via FB) and maybe over the phone. But even if they did visit each other, I'm guessing AL was the type of person who hid out in his room and refused to make appearances for guests. JMO and all that.

 

[fred&edna]

Applause for first responders...God Bless them..

Poor words I'm using here... sorry. To enter a school full of innocent children and adults while still on "alert" to be fired upon by an assailant... must be more than harrowing.

 

[Nana46]

Don't know if this has been posted or how accurate it is:

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/atf-gunman-mother-visited-shooting-range

Have not been here all day so if this is not allowed I understand and am sorry.

 

[Blue_Dolphin308]

This state cop will change his tune when the families demand answers.

I don't understand your comment. This is still being investigated,and he is being very careful. I applaud what they are doing, I also applaud their silence right now. They want a clear picture to be painted, that is free from misinformation. In my opinion they are probably making sure all their i's are dotted and t's crossed.

And who knows, the families may be getting more information behind the scenes. Especially since they have a state trooper per family. We don't know what the families are being told.

 

[gitana1]

I can't get the lump out of my throat or the tears from my eyes this weekend. It's such a sad Christmas. It will never be the same for so many.