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Harold S. Koplewicz, MD, President of the Child Mind Institute
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Unfortunately, Liza's [Long] story [I Am Adam's Mother] is not unusual. Some 15 million young people in the U.S. have a psychiatric or developmental disorder—and less than half will get any attention. There are three main reasons this public health problem exists: shame and stigma keep families from seeking help early on; institutional barriers limit access to mental health care; and there is not enough research focused on developing innovative, evidence-based treatments.

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We often place the blame on parents, teachers, the media, or the children themselves. We speculate freely about things like diet or immunizations being contributing factors. But the bottom line is this: we simply don't treat disorders that occur from the neck up with the same respect, compassion and scientific rigor as disorders that occur in any other part of the body. And we won't be able to change that until we are able to de-stigmatize psychiatric and learning disorders.

http://www.childmind.org/en/press/brainstorm/

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The amateur diagnoses to come out of this are very harmful. To my mind perhaps the worst is the suggestion that the unimaginable nature of this violence -- the fact that children were targeted -- somehow indicates a lack of empathy that can be associated with autism spectrum disorders. This is completely untrue. Individuals on the spectrum are in no way predisposed to this kind of violent behavior. Ample research proves otherwise. And while autistics may be less adept at picking up nonverbal social cues, they are just as capable of experiencing emotional empathy as anyone else. I have known many autistic children who would be crushed knowing that a sibling, a parent, or even a spider was suffering.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/harol...-lanza-aspergers-mental-health_b_2316848.html

Website: http://www.childmind.org/
 
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Aw, hugs to your 11 yr old. Remind him: People can find any reason not to like someone if they try hard enough. Even folks who don't face the challenges that come along with Asperger's have to deal with jerks. hang in there bud.



I think once the facts come out they will show that AL had both Asperger's AND a serious mental health problem.

Either that or he was misdiagnosed with Asperger's and truly suffered from some other problem all along.

I agree with the bold. People can suffer from more than one problem. What's hard to think about is that as far as we know his family, including his father, couldn't even categorically state in which ways the killer was "different". Maybe the dad and brother have told the police something we don't know abut yet, or pointed them toward medical records that would have explained what they themselves didn't really understand.
 
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For those of you who believe violent videos games and movies are the reason for gun violence, how do you explain other countries which have a much lower rate of gun violence, yet watch the same violent movies, play violent video games too?
 
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I wish the familys "affluence" would stop being brought up in these articles. Rich or not, there isn't a lot of help available for the mentally ill, or those trying to care for them.

IMO and all that.......
 
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I hate to say this, but my husband's neighbor from childhood grew to be a very smart man with Aspergers, a scientist, and he preplanned his own suicide to the last detail. Without going into detail he used chemicals ordered from a lab supply company and even left the MSDS's taped to his body so the police and coroner would know how to handle his remains safely. It was scary-level planned. People with aspergers can be incredibly attached to method and planning.

There are entrepreneurs and professionals with Asperger's syndrome. Pretty sure they have to have some ability to plan things.

Not saying that any of them are planning mass murder but I don't like blanket statements that Aspergers are unable to plan things because it is not categorically true about everyone.

My husband is an Aspie. He plans and actualizes plans for a living. He's just rigid about it- he learned the correct formula for execution within his field, and there is no deviating from that plan. He is incredibly reliable and effective and not spontaneous at all. He is also incredibly gifted in math, and enjoys the process of math- again, he likes following a precise formula.

I think there are a lot of reasons for suspecting he may not have had Aspergers- first of all bc RL's comment seemed quite uncertain. I think he was simply trying to verbalized that "something" was up with his brother. IMO we don't even know if he was diagnosed with that by a dr, or if it was RL's suspicion after reading about in a magazine.

Without more info, everything is a guess. But from what we know, especially the progression of symptoms rather than learned management of symptoms, I can't help but suspect that dx is off. But it's jmo.
 
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Charles Manson, The Batman killer (Holmes), <----- maybe those two had a similar look?

It is a look of "mania" to me, jmho.

Reminds me of Dylan Klebold. The long face and something about the eyes.
 
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My take is that the shooter was misdiagnosed as having Aspergers. His actual problem was far more serious.

I have wondered if Mom found that "Asperger's" was more acceptable in describing what his problem was.

http://www.foxnews.com/health/2012/...gers-from-psychiatric-manual-in-wake-newtown/

Concerns over removal of Asperger’s from psychiatric manual in wake of Newtown massacre



“It’s important to note – even if he did have Asperger’s, which has not yet been confirmed – this condition would not cause him to commit a horrible act of violence alone,”

“Children with Asperger’s may not feel connected to others, and may be more vulnerable to other psychiatric disorders. It is also possible that Asperger’s (if he had it) was a misdiagnosis, and he had something else.”
 
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Dysphoric Mania - Challenging to diagnose
I have been looking back at notes, on James Holmes (Aurora, Colorado). As I compare the observations made by family and friends of James, to those about AL (reliability is +/-), there are interesting common threads, that weave through the lives of these two individuals. The one aspect of AL's behavior, that did not seem apparent in James' high school years (until perhaps later at the University) was that state of intense anxiety and fear.

THe article below, is one of many, that reminds us how challenging is the process, of diagnosing a patient. And the accurate diagnosis relies so heavily on carefully observing the patient's behavior, as it trends in one direction or another, over time. You get the sense, that a family would require a live-in mental health professional, to gather the behavioral data - if you wanna get it right. Yea, in how many families is that going to happen. Seems very challenging.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/28/dysphoric-mania-james-holmes-mixed-mania-bipolar-disorder_n_1836744.html
 
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As for why Nancy and Adam have not been claimed yet, could be for many reason's. In all due respect, Adam would be his father's responsibity and Nancy would be her parents/brother's responsibility. Maybe they are trying to decide whether to two should be buried side-by-side? Maybe they shouldn't? Maybe Adam will be donated to science? Nancy wouldn't. Maybe Adam will be cremated? Nancy buried? I'm sure there are a lot of pro's and con's about having them together. He is her killer, but she was still his mother and she loved him very much. They most likely want the media/public to never know if and where they are laid to rest because people will be so cruel as to damage, deface, etc... their resting places.

I'll give them time to make these decisions. These families have been ripped to shreds too.
 
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I wish the familys "affluence" would stop being brought up in these articles. Rich or not, there isn't a lot of help available for the mentally ill, or those trying to care for them.

IMO and all that.......

I disagree. Affluent families do have resources such as health insurance and can reach out to obtain help from private psychiatrists. But the key is that there must be a proactive reaching out. If the news articles are accurate, the mother wasn't reaching out to anyone at all and asking for their advice.

JMO
 
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Reminds me of Dylan Klebold. The long face and something about the eyes.

James Holmes and Jarid Loughner came to my mind the first I saw his picture.
 
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Kashmir Hill, Forbes Staff

12/17/2012 @ 1:29PM |268 views

Blaming The Wrong Lanza: How Media Got It Wrong In Newtown

... I waited three days to write this post, though I saw all of this happening in real time ...

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Read more: http://www.forbes.com/sites/kashmir...rong-lanza-how-media-got-it-wrong-in-newtown/

We have to balance the need for accuracy with the need to provide timely information. And we have to own up to our mistakes. The &#8220;delete&#8221; button isn&#8217;t sufficient &#8212; it doesn't make the news disappear from the Internet and it doesn't undo the reputational damage wrought by misinformation.

Thank you for the linked article.
 
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President Obama with the family of victim Emilie Parker.
 
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Nancy Lanza, Adam Lanza mother: Sandy Hook school shooting suspect's mom had 'heart of gold'

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Nancy Lanza moved to the Sandy Hook neighborhood in 1998, raising two sons -- Ryan and Adam -- with husband, Peter, until the couple separated a few years ago. / Photographer: Courtesy Phil Simpson

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Read more: http://www.wptv.com/dpp/news/nation...chool-shooting-suspects-mom-had-heart-of-gold
 
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The Salon piece referred to by Kashmir Hill in the Forbes article linked above (#332):

I was Facebook friends with Ryan Lanza (by Matt Bors)
And that gave me a front row seat as everyone rushed to ugly judgment about him -- and me
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Social media purports to connect us but it often does the exact opposite. The barrier, the anonymity, the lack of accountability; all encourage the worst in people.
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I just can't understand why the mom would have all this firepower around knowing she had such a disturbed son! He must have known how to access the weapons without her because he shot her in her bed with her weapons so it does not seem as if he forced her to unsecure them in order to continue his rampage. I don't want to attack her because she was ultimately victimized but I can't help but think it was a terrible idea to have all those weapons in reach of a kid who could not feel pain or connect with others well enough to understand their capacity for pain and suffering.
 
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