Connecticut school district on lockdown after shooting report at a Newtown elemen #8

[Ricki]

Have you seen the house PL and his wife live in?
I saw one pic. It looked like a very modest home.
No way to know for sure if it really was his.
Media got mom's house wrong so....

Stamford is a very expensive place to live. The commute to New York is very close so many people who work in New York live there. Modest homes in Stamford are very expensive.

 

[Noniegrace]

Have you seen the house PL and his wife live in?
I saw one pic. It looked like a very modest home.
No way to know for sure if it really was his.
Media got mom's house wrong so....

I'm pretty sure it was her house before they got married.

 

[sorrell skye]

Article with interviews of AL's former classmates and friends/neighbors of NL.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/15/n...-is-now-identified-as-a-mass-killer.html?_r=0

 

[Alicia_marie]

Just a thought here, but the LE has made it clear that they want this investigation to go properly. My guess is, anyone who has information would have been told by LE NOT to say anything, and I don't know what laws are like in the US, but is it possible that anyone who does have credible information could be charged with interfering with an investigation if they were to release facts? And if that is the case, it would explain the lack of information and would render any information out there as unreliable. I think that a lot of the "facts" regarding the case at this point will be revealed to be misinformation when the real facts are disclosed after the investigation is complete and results are revealed to the public. As much as we all would like answers about what led to this tragedy, basing any conclusions off of any information we can glean at this point would probably be just assumptions and probably really won't help us in understanding anything at all. Just my opinion, but I think all real facts are being held under the LE's thumbs and will remain that way. The LE have stated that they are treating this investigation as if it were to go to trial so they can get as many answers as possible, and that to me should be interpreted as any and all facts will remain undisclosed at this point.

 

[gngr~snap]

Stamford is a very expensive place to live. The commute to New York is very close so many people who work in New York live there. Modest homes in Stamford are very expensive.

If it's the house I see in the media photos, it appears
to be about 1/3 the size of the Newtown house.
I really meant size wise... not the price of it :innocent:

 

[Abby Normal Again]

AL went to school, took college classes, learned to drive. That's high functioning.

I agree. If the whole idea that he only moved from his salon chair when told by Nancy was true, it's either that the contact stressed him and he was distracted with stress OR the stylist didn't speak directly. Some people who are "black and white thinkers" or who aren't as good at tuning into language don't take subtle queues as well. "That outta do it" does not mean "you are done and can get up now" to some people, regardless of diagnosis. They prefer more specific language.

Those such people can usually figure it out in a minute, as they observe the stylist being done or walking away- but NL may have been quick to intervene. I was like that when my child with a language impairment was little. I had to be told to back off and give child more time to interpret things independently. Note: I'm not saying this coward was language impaired, just saying some parents (with good intentions) are "too on top of things."

IMO if he was able to get good grades in school, he was able to follow directions from people other than NL. I think the barber account may have been isolated to that environment, or exaggerated.

 

[Noniegrace]

IMO if he was able to get good grades in school, he was able to follow directions from people other than NL. I think the barber account may have been isolated to that environment, or exaggerated.

My guess is he was bent at mom for making him go and this was his version of acting out. Didn't an interview say he would go almost catatonic at school and mom would have to come deal with it? I think this case is ALLLLLL about the dynamic between NL AND AL.

 

[gngr~snap]

I'm pretty sure it was her house before they got married.

This was her house before she got married in New Hampshire.
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/12/21/article-2251122-169D33C0000005DC-509_634x428.jpg

 

[time]

We don't know when Adam got his drivers license, correct?

Did he take the college courses when he was 17?

 

[Wise Old Owl]

My guess is he was bent at mom for making him go and this was his version of acting out. Didn't an interview say he would go almost catatonic at school and mom would have to come deal with it? I think this case is ALLLLLL about the dynamic between NL AND AL.

ITA - so where does the school connection come in?

JMHO it might have been Mrs. Sherlach (psychologist); it might have been when his "problems" started to surface; it might have been as simple as one of his teachers over the years said one, very specific mean comment about his "conditions". I've noticed that the ESE teacher and aide were both killed and several of the children were special needs students. Could it be that the ESE classroom was his target? Maybe the 3 classrooms he went in were the same classrooms he had his "past experiences" IDK.

I really want to know the connection to the school. In all these school shootings there is one and its one that administrators and teachers could be alerted to and special training seminars would help immensely in stopping any more of these.



JMHO



eta: I'm in no way blaming ANYONE at the school. No way - not at all. Just that AL had been a student there and probably had "concerns" then. Maybe they did try to intervene and mom pulled out. Nothing much you can do then. Its just the school connection that bothers me the most.




JMHO

 

[Kimster]

:waiting:

We don't sleuth family members - of anyone!

 

[flipflop]

We don't know when Adam got his drivers license, correct?

Did he take the college courses when he was 17?

college at 16

driving at 18

 

[gngr~snap]

My guess is he was bent at mom for making him go and this was his version of acting out. Didn't an interview say he would go almost catatonic at school and mom would have to come deal with it? I think this case is ALLLLLL about the dynamic between NL AND AL.

It is possible!


He even gave a windows presentation and never talked.
He didn't want to be around people.
Who goes to high school "with" their child?
(even special needs children attend with out mom)

I believe the barber.

“He didn’t want to be around people,” Jennifer explains. “Our goal was to get him back in the building.”
"Adam’s mother Nancy would drop him off, then sit in the next room while Jennifer worked with him."
"He had a great ‘Latin mind.’ The language is very structured, and that fit well with him. He always knew the answers — but he wouldn’t say anything."

http://06880danwoog.com/2012/12/21/jennifer-huettner-and-the-adam-lanza-she-knew/


"Back in high school, Frost recalled, Lanza once made a class presentation about how to change the folders in Microsoft Windows different colors. He did it without saying a word, just demonstrating the steps on a screen."

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york...puter-minutes-article-1.1225845#ixzz2FnqAilCo

 

[iSleuth]

We don't know when Adam got his drivers license, correct?

Did he take the college courses when he was 17?

Hi Time! HS students in CT can take courses in the local colleges for credit for free. They do not have to do lengthy applications or anything. They are not matriculated students sometimes the credits transfer to colleges often they do not.
IMHO The fact that he participated in a few computer courses @ West Conn -3 years really is not a testament to any of his abilities or disabilities.

Things can change a lot in those years and many psych and learning issues such as BI Polar -actually get much more intense over age 18.

 

[jjenny]

We don't know when Adam got his drivers license, correct?

Did he take the college courses when he was 17?

He was 18 when he got the license.

 

[Donjeta]

I agree. If the whole idea that he only moved from his salon chair when told by Nancy was true, it's either that the contact stressed him and he was distracted with stress OR the stylist didn't speak directly. Some people who are "black and white thinkers" or who aren't as good at tuning into language don't take subtle queues as well. "That outta do it" does not mean "you are done and can get up now" to some people, regardless of diagnosis. They prefer more specific language.

Those such people can usually figure it out in a minute, as they observe the stylist being done or walking away- but NL may have been quick to intervene. I was like that when my child with a language impairment was little. I had to be told to back off and give child more time to interpret things independently. Note: I'm not saying this coward was language impaired, just saying some parents (with good intentions) are "too on top of things."

IMO if he was able to get good grades in school, he was able to follow directions from people other than NL. I think the barber account may have been isolated to that environment, or exaggerated.

This account from Mr. Novia sounds like the teachers had trouble getting things through to him as well sometimes, or, as the article phrases it, "often".

At Newtown High School, Adam Lanza was often having crises that only his mother could defuse.
"He would have an episode, and she'd have to return or come to the high school and deal with it," said Richard Novia, the school district's head of security until 2008, who got to know the family because both of Lanza's sons joined the school technology club he chartered.

Novia said Adam Lanza would sometimes withdraw completely "from whatever he was supposed to be doing."

He "could take flight, which I think was the big issue, and it wasn't a rebellious or defiant thing," Novia said. "It was withdrawal."

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2012/12/17/connecticut-newtown-gunman-lanza-divorce.html

 

[HastingsChi]

With much discussion here and in the media about the shooter having Asperger Disorder which is an autism spectrum disorder (ASD), I wanted to share this most interesting discussion


Speculating about [Name Redacted by Me]'s Mind

Once [Name Redacted by Me] had been correctly identified as the shooter, speculation quickly turned to why he killed so many. Much of the media raced, as it often does, to explain the tragedy by speculating on [Name Redacted by Me]’s psychological state. Particularly bandied about was whether [Name Redacted by Me] had been diagnosed with either a personality disorder or Asperger’s Syndrome. Bob talks with the Columbia Journalism Review's Curtis Brainard about the perils of this sort of coverage.

Listen to the segment here

 

[Noniegrace]

ITA - so where does the school connection come in?

That is the bazillion dollar question. The fact that the school bus was in front of their house, presumably with at least one of the victims on it, within an hour of the shooting bothers me. Did he hear the school bus when he was killing NL? It would have come by every day, did he have bad experiences on the bus as a kid? It could just be a coincidence.

They seem really isolated. Like one of them went down the rabbit hole and the other went with them, I'm just not sure how they got there.

 

[HastingsChi]

A most interesting discussion utilizing examples from Columbine and Sandy Hook regarding the dangers of false media reports when covering school shootings:


How Myths Form After a School Shooting

The press has misreported a lot about the Newtown shooting, and if history is any guide, much of that misreporting will inform our memory of the event. In his book Columbine, Dave Cullen revisited that soul shattering school shooting 13 years ago. He tells Bob that our story of that event is largely frozen in early misreporting.

Listen to the segment here

 

[time]

college at 16

driving at 18

Thank you!

Everyone keeps questioning some aspects because they say Adam was 'high functioning", e.g., citing the DL and college as two reasons. I guess there is the computer reassembling - not sure when that was or what exactly it would have entailed. It is very possible something with him went downhill over the past 3 years and he was not that high functioning anymore, especially considering what else we think we know:

@ possibly ramped up involvement in online gaming (more realistic and gruesome), I think he started out with a different game than Call of Duty

@ no one seems to have much contact in that time and it's said that Adam cut off communication with Dad and Brother

@ Mom buys a whole arsenal of guns including assault weapons

@ no one seems to visit/gain entry to the home except repairmen

@ Nancy start traveling a lot (?) and quits seeing others as much

@ Adam quits his regular hair stylist and no others have come forward


Other Q's:

When did Adam's brother leave home?
When was Adam's last involvement with the school technology club?