Coronavirus COVID-19 *Global Health Emergency* #15

[whitelilac]

Cuomo - "We prioritize the categories to be tested to fit with our capacity"

This is a fear

I think most people aren’t aware of the risk of systemic healthcare failure due to #COVID19 because they simply haven’t run the numbers yet. Let’s talk math. 1/n
Liz Specht on Twitter

 

[jjenny]

IDK hard to get your mind around
Is it because it's endemic now, occuring at a predictable rate,
that symptoms are addressed without the need for testing.

Influenza is endemic, they still test for it. And unless you are planning to stick the same swab into many people, how does it increase the risk of transmission?

 

[otto]

From the World Health Organization

COVID-19 Strategic Preparedness and Response Plan—Draft as of 12 February 2020
Operational Planning Guidelines to Support Country Preparedness and Response

Pillar 2: Risk communication and community engagement

It is critical to communicate to the public what is known about COVID-19, what is unknown, what
is being done, and actions to be taken on a regular basis. Preparedness and response activities should
be conducted in a participatory, community-based way that are informed and continually optimized according to community feedback to detect and respond to concerns, rumours and misinformation. Changes in preparedness and response interventions should be announced and explained ahead of time, and be developed based on community perspectives. Responsive, empathic, transparent and consistent messaging in local languages through trusted channels of communication, using community-based networks and key influencers and building capacity of local entities, is essential to establish authority and trust.

Much more worthwhile guidance at the link.
https://www.who.int/docs/default-so...19-sprp-unct-guidelines.pdf?sfvrsn=81ff43d8_4

While the U.S. government has held press conferences almost daily about COVID-19 (for which I am grateful), I’m not sure the message is being conveyed in the ideal way WHO lays out here, especially in regard to the bolded areas. Concerns, rumors and misinformation are not addressed. Messaging is not transparent and consistent through trusted channels. I don’t think most people watch the pressers, so how else is information conveyed? It’s not consistent or trusted. How can that be improved? If I weren’t here on this thread I would be lost!

It's a good question - how can consistent messaging be conveyed across the country to ensure that everyone understands the situation and acts accordingly? A national health service needs to quickly develop educational information that is easy for everyone to understand, and it needs to be broadcast for free on every local media in the country. Anything less, and the message will continue to be confusing.

 

[Chelly]

g'night all. Tomorrow will be another day.

 

[jjenny]

g'night all. Tomorrow will be another day.

Not for everyone, I am afraid.

 

[otto]

China should have banned so-called "wet markets" and trade of wild life a long time ago, so lets not praise them too much. They created the perfect conditions for these viruses to spread since they jump from one animal into another and then into people.

The Spanish Flu started in the states. Every country can screw up. Furthermore, the origin of the virus is currently unknown. There's speculation that it originated at a wet market because the virus is similar to one in bats and snakes, but there's no known direct connection between bats or snakes and people.

 

[Tadpole12]

Permanent lung damage has been documented in people who have recovered from the virus. Re-infection has also been documented. If someone with damaged lungs is re-infected, I'm assuming that likelihood or mortality is increased.

The first wave is people over 60, perhaps the second wave will be people age 30-60 with compromised lungs.

Definitely.

People can get the coronavirus more than once, experts warn — recovering does not necessarily make you immune

Weeks ago, googled mono and I was surprised by the length of the contagious period, 18 months.
Some studies have reported that you may still be contagious for up to 18 months.
That is not the case with SARS-CoV-2, but I just found the fact very interesting

How Long Is Mono Contagious? Transmission and Prevention

 

[Ray_of_hope]

Quoting OddSocks again from the last thread



Good question. I think the answer is that 'anti-bacterial' should really be 'anti-microbial', but that doesn't have such a good ring to it, so they called them 'anti-bacterial' instead.

It's not like anti-biotics that only work on bacterial infections, the anti-bacterial hand gels and soaps are really anti-microbial, so they can work on both bacteria and viruses.

"However, studies have shown that antibacterial products don't kill viruses, which cause some of the most common illnesses, such as colds and the flu."

" But while antibacterial products may seem like a stronger cleaning option, they are no more effective in cleaning your hands than regular soap and water--and they do not kill viruses like H1N1 (swine) flu."

Kaiser Permanente

Antibacterial soaps don't kill viruses

 

[Lilibet]

It's a good question - how can consistent messaging be conveyed across the country to ensure that everyone understands the situation and acts accordingly? A national health service needs to quickly develop educational information that is easy for everyone to understand, and it needs to be broadcast for free on every local media in the country. Anything less, and the message will continue to be confusing.

You’re absolutely right, Otto. Unfortunately, if the easy to understand educational information hasn’t been developed and broadcast by now, I don’t think it will be. Or it will be too little, too late. It’s really hard to wrap my mind around what seems to be deliberate obfuscation on the part of the government.

 

[jjenny]

The Spanish Flu started in the states. Every country can screw up. Furthermore, the origin of the virus is currently unknown. There's speculation that it originated at a wet market because the virus is similar to one in bats and snakes, but there's no known direct connection between bats or snakes and people.

Even the virus spread aside, seeing videos of the conditions of these poor animals seems enough to ban these practices for good. And you know the saying-fool me once, shame on me, fool me twice-shame on you? SARS also started in China because of these wet markets allow these viruses to jump from one specie to another.

 

[whitelilac]

The next product that may be in high demand......oat milk

As coronavirus infections spread, demand for oat milk is outpacing hand sanitizer

 

[Chelly]

China should have banned so-called "wet markets" and trade of wild life a long time ago, so lets not praise them too much. They created the perfect conditions for these viruses to spread since they jump from one animal into another and then into people.

Influenza is endemic, they still test for it. And unless you are planning to stick the same swab into many people, how does it increase the risk of transmission?

@jjenny We are not praising China. And I believe you are being unfair. I respectfully disagree with your comments.

 

[Chelly]

Ok, for the second time. Nite all

 

[Chelly]

Not for everyone, I am afraid.

Yes, that will always be the case.

 

[Lilibet]

Even the virus spread aside, seeing videos of the conditions of these poor animals seems enough to ban these practices for good. And you know the saying-fool me once, shame on me, fool me twice-shame on you? SARS also started in China because of these wet markets allow these viruses to jump from one specie to another.

I understand your point, but if this virus had developed in this country in chickens or cattle, the same could be said about the conditions of these poor animals. The Chinese would probably be appalled. I guess I should be vegan after writing that, but I’ve tried and can’t handle it. In any case, there’s plenty of animal abuse to go around in every country.

 

[Sundog]

Two of my sisters in law are born, raised and educated in China. They don't eat bat soup. They're regular people. We had a big family dinner last week at a Chinese buffet and they were cracking jokes throughout the night about the strange remarks that people make about China and the virus.

There was so much criticism of China's politics and efforts to hide the epidemic, but we seem to be seeing that politics and economics interfere with epidemic management in all countries.

Sorry, Otto. Somehow this post was attributed to me, I am new at posting on Websleuths, and did something wrong here with this post. I tried to delete it, but that didn't work.

 

[ilovewings]

China should have banned so-called "wet markets" and trade of wild life a long time ago, so lets not praise them too much. They created the perfect conditions for these viruses to spread since they jump from one animal into another and then into people.

and therein lies my problem with China

 

[Lilibet]

The next product that may be in high demand......oat milk

As coronavirus infections spread, demand for oat milk is outpacing hand sanitizer

We stocked up on the boxed almond milk we use in our breakfast shakes.

 

[Sundog]

Two of my sisters in law are born, raised and educated in China. They don't eat bat soup. They're regular people. We had a big family dinner last week at a Chinese buffet and they were cracking jokes throughout the night about the strange remarks that people make about China and the virus.

There was so much criticism of China's politics and efforts to hide the epidemic, but we seem to be seeing that politics and economics interfere with epidemic management in all countries.

I agree! I have been going to Beijing every year for the last 20 years and we don't stay in tourist areas but in neighborhoods with the locals, and our friends and colleagues would be shocked to learn that someone in the city was eating cats and dogs! Or bat soup!

 

[Ray_of_hope]

We stocked up on the boxed almond milk we use in our breakfast shakes.

I'll stick to almond milk also. Oat milk has too many calories.