Coronavirus COVID-19 - Global Health Emergency #5

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  • #781
Holidaymakers devastated as their luxury cruise from Singapore to Sydney is CANCELLED at the last minute over coronavirus fears

The P&O Indonesian Explorer cruise was due to depart Singapore on February 28 and arrive in Sydney 14 days later.

But the tourists were on Thursday advised their trip had been scrapped due to travel restrictions imposed by coronavirus.

Australian holidaymakers devastated as their luxury cruise is CANCELLED over coronavirus fears | Daily Mail Online

I think I would be relieved it had been cancelled if it was me.
 
  • #782
I watched Contagion last weekend. Other than the millions that die in 30 days, you can see similar things playing out from that storyline. Epidemics are more similar than we realize.

I have started re-reading from the beginning (thread 1) and it is so aggravating to see every last mistake that was made in China being repeated in the UK, Japan, the US...
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  • #783
Maybe it is just me, but in all the photos of the rescued people on the planes, they are masked ect. but wearing what looks like their usual clothing such as outdoor jackets, hats and footwear.
Would it not be more sanitary if everyone on those planes wore some kind of white (to see dirt) protective clothing and head coverings? imo, speculation.

Can clothes and towels spread germs?
''Germs on clothes and towels can come from our own body. We all have bacteria on the surface of our skin, in our noses and in our gut. These are often harmless, but some can cause infection, particularly in people with skin problems or wounds.''
''However, you can also pick up germs on your outer clothes, for example if you nurse someone with an illness or clean up vomit. Germs can also get onto outer clothing if you handle contaminated food or brush against a soiled object.

Most germs can survive on fabrics for some time. Read more about how long bacteria and viruses live outside the body.''


The Economic Times
 
  • #784
Why did our government not listen to the CDC??

The CDC is the expert, not government officials. CDC recommendations should have been followed.
I’m not sure what to think about this one.... the whole situation was pretty much a lose/lose catch 22 kind of situation. The CDC & the government probably both screwed up by loading passengers on those buses before the final results came back.
My initial response is that the CDC’s recommendations should have been followed, but I’m not really sure how that would have played out.
The passengers had already been commingled on the buses and it was obvious that the tests are less than reliable. I guess I would reserve judgement unless I knew what Japan’s take on the situation was. Were they willing to take the 14 to local hospitals? Or did they consider all the passengers as the US’s problem as soon as they were loaded on the bus??
Personally, I think the sooner the WHO declares this a pandemic the better. Things need to be coordinated at the global level - not at the level of individual governments.
 
  • #785
The delay of the European plane, in light now of the information about virus being aerosolized by stool in toilets that everyone uses and can aerosolize to infect? hmmmmm....

I thought for some reason that people on the plane from the ship would have been told they couldn't use the toilets.

But seeing the results of the US evacuation from the ship, maybe the UK are having second thoughts. The people have to get off the ship and go 'somewhere' for another 14 days quarantine though?
 
  • #786
Maybe it is just me, but in all the photos of the rescued people on the planes, they are masked ect. but wearing what looks like their usual clothing such as outdoor jackets, hats and footwear.
Would it not be more sanitary if everyone on those planes wore some kind of white (to see dirt) protective clothing and head coverings? imo, speculation.

Can clothes and towels spread germs?
''Germs on clothes and towels can come from our own body. We all have bacteria on the surface of our skin, in our noses and in our gut. These are often harmless, but some can cause infection, particularly in people with skin problems or wounds.''
''However, you can also pick up germs on your outer clothes, for example if you nurse someone with an illness or clean up vomit. Germs can also get onto outer clothing if you handle contaminated food or brush against a soiled object.

Most germs can survive on fabrics for some time. Read more about how long bacteria and viruses live outside the body.''


The Economic Times
A Nurse's Guide To Isolation Precuations

Airborne Isolation Precautions
airborne infections include spores or desiccated nuclei of pathogens, such as spore of Aspergillus and tuberculosis.
Airborne isolation precautions are used to prevent transmission of droplet-borne pathogens of less than 5 µm and those that may be disseminated within a facility over distances more than 10 feet. In addition, droplet-borne or contact-based infections that desiccate, or dry out, on a surface can be aerosolized in an environment, increasing transmissibility.

Airborne pathogens also have an increased infective rate. In other words, transmissibility increases as these infectious agents spread throughout a facility to those that have not been in the same room as an infected patient or hand indirect or direct contact with such patient. Therefore, special care must be taken to prevent their transmission, including these steps.

1. The Patient Should Be in a Negative-Pressure Room
A negative-pressure room maintains a lower pressure via the ventilation system that prevents airborne pathogens form exiting the room through an opened door. This is comparable to the effect of a mild vacuum or feeling air rush into an enclosed when opening the doors.

2. Wear an Appropriate Respirator
Due to the decreased size of the infectious agents in airborne illnesses, such as spores or dried, aerosolized nuclei, a higher-level respirator is needed to prevent their inhalation. The respirator should have an NIOSH rating of N95 or higher, and the respirator should be applied prior to entering the patient room. Otherwise known as a “duck-billed” mask, the respirator should adhere to the face without obstruction. Therefore, caregivers wearing heavy makeup or those with excess facial hair may be susceptible to infection via airborne pathogens.

3. Dispose of PPE in the Adjunct Room, Not Another Patient’s Room
Most negative-pressure rooms have an adjunct room for donning PPE prior to entry. This room is part of the specialized ventilation system, and all PPE used in a negative-pressure room should be left on until the caregiver is within this room, having closed the patient’s primary room door. Handwashing should be completed within this room, and the specialized air ventilation system will draw airborne pathogens, explains the CDC, into the patient’s room and through external air filters.


—- so yep, ideally, they should have had protective gowns that would have been discarded safely after they cleared the petri dish
 
  • #787
I have started re-reading from the beginning (thread 1) and it is so aggravating to see every last mistake that was made in China being repeated in the UK, Japan, the US...
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Its amazing how people want to escape being called a fear monger by the people who want to escape preparation.....
 
  • #788
Seriously, it doesn't even sound like those who tested positive were behind a plastic sheet, let alone in isolation box. The guy who tested positive says he was sitting next to his wife, when he developed fever while on the plane, and then was put in isolation area. Who knows how many people were infected while on the flight?
That was very badly executed.

It sounds like at least three different stories all mixed together to me.

Surely he would have gone into that box if he'd tested positive before the flight?

I thought it was only people who'd tested negative before the flight who were allowed to stay in the general seating area, and then they were moved from there if they showed symptoms that might be Covid-19 during the flight?

Maybe that caused problems with which ones should go in the box and which ones should go behind the plastic sheet? Maybe they weren't allowed to open the box after it was closed for the first time?

I just feel the different people's stories don't entirely meld properly and I don't know why not.
 
  • #789
Regarding our government ignoring the advice of the CDC, probably happened due to the egos of government officials.
 
  • #790
“Officials in Wuhan have been disinfecting the city’s drainage pipes amid concerns that the virus could spread through the sewer system.”

[...]

“Wuhan has dumped nearly 2,000 tons of disinfectant in the city’s drainage networks in a bid to prevent the coronavirus from spreading through the sewer system, which has been a growing concern with troubling historical precedent.

Since Jan. 29, Wuhan – the epicenter of the coronavirus outbreak – has mobilized over 6,500 people to pour 1,936 tons of disinfectant down the drains, targeting pipelines, septic tanks and sewage wells in hospitals, centralized quarantine facilities and other “high risk” areas, the city’s water authority said on Thursday.

The move came after research showed the virus can survive in human feces and that the pathogen could be transmitted along the fecal-oral route, despite repeated assurances from the government in the early days that it is only transmitted through direct contact with virus-laden droplets from an infected person.

Wow, I'm no expert but a recent Home Reno show I watched said this is exactly the wrong thing to do. This kills all the bacteria that would allow the waste to decompose, resulting in the need to pump the whole system. IMO that will possibly be worse.
 
  • #791
I’m not sure what to think about this one.... the whole situation was pretty much a lose/lose catch 22 kind of situation. The CDC & the government probably both screwed up by loading passengers on those buses before the final results came back.
My initial response is that the CDC’s recommendations should have been followed, but I’m not really sure how that would have played out.
The passengers had already been commingled on the buses and it was obvious that the tests are less than reliable. I guess I would reserve judgement unless I knew what Japan’s take on the situation was. Were they willing to take the 14 to local hospitals? Or did they consider all the passengers as the US’s problem as soon as they were loaded on the bus??
Personally, I think the sooner the WHO declares this a pandemic the better. Things need to be coordinated at the global level - not at the level of individual governments.

Keep in mind, the WHO has been saying at almost every presser that they do not coordinate, they only advise. It's up to each government to make decisions, and scary but true, when gets to the US, the states have the most control outside of national law.

My guess is you are right. The US had possession and it was a WTF moment as to how to get back into Japan control if it was even possible. It is what it is. But there may be a bright side in that the US gets first hand info and can control. The bad part is there is documentation of viral shedding after folks have recovered. I was reading last night google scholar new papers, but don't have time to share/comment as I need to ready for transcription of WHO presser.
 
  • #792
Its amazing how people want to escape being called a fear monger by the people who want to escape preparation.....
Right?

We wear seatbelts. Have smoke detectors. Home protection devices. Regular practice for Tornado alerts. drills for mass shootings etc we have to have car insurance, health insurance, and home owners insurance...

It would make sense that we could exercise caution (personal insurance) for a virus outbreak in the same manner. Without being labeled “fear monger.”

Moo of course- and going to take a breather. :oops:
 
  • #793
They are all going to be full, I am afraid.
ITA! And when those isolation units are all at max capacity, that’s when we’ll see the outbreak go into overdrive. Rather than trying to contain this thing by creating isolation wings within existing hospitals, I think entire facilities should be converted to isolation treatment centers. The outcome at China’s hospitals has already proven that a large portion of people were infected AT THE HOSPITAL!
I’m just afraid that isolation wings in hospitals could equate to a repeat of the cruise ship.
 
  • #794
Thank you for taking the time to find the source document. Was indeed misleading that plastic area is a specialized containment area. Shame shame shame on them.

I still think it's all mixed up, and that the 14 who they discovered had tested positive went into that unit, but when the guy in the general seating area got the fever, instead of putting him in that unit with the others, they put him behind the plastic sheet. Why they would do that I don't know, maybe it was because they didn't want to put him in with those who'd tested positive, maybe the containment box wasn't supposed to be opened while they were in flight as it had its own air supply turned on when the door was closed the first time and it would defeat the purpose if they opened the door to let the fever guy into it? And then instead of an official statement after they landed to explain all these details, we've ended up with piecemeal bits from different people describing their own experiences and that made us feel it didn't all match up?
 
  • #795
But seeing the results of the US evacuation from the ship, maybe the UK are having second thoughts.

I found it odd that when the Canadian flight was delayed, every time Canadian officials spoke
they emphasized no infected persons would be allowed on the plane. Just a hunch but I feel
like the CDC gave them a heads up on the situation.
 
  • #796
First confirmed coronavirus case reported in Lebanon

A woman who had traveled to Lebanon from Iran tested positive for COVID-19, the health ministry said, adding that there were two other suspected cases.

The woman had arrived in Lebanon from the Iranian city of Qom.

Coronavirus live updates: Officials letting last uninfected passengers leave Diamond Princess

So that's two people now who've flown from Iran..one to Canada (BC) and another to Lebanon who've tested positive? Yet Iran only said about a day or two ago that they had cases?

I'm curious why the people in BC and Lebanon were even tested for the virus....that was a good catch as they hadn't flown from China or any of the countries on the list the UK has put out for travelers from those countries to watch out for symptoms and call the 111 helpline if they develop symptoms so they can be tested.
 
  • #797
For those coming in for the 10 am WHO presser, we are live, hasn't started. This is going to be an interesting day I think. I will post transcript about an hour afterwards.

ETA it has begun

 
  • #798
Regarding our government ignoring the advice of the CDC, probably happened due to the egos of government officials.
Articles have said that the Tennessee doctor who was a passenger on the ship was in touch with a US senator who is also a doctor. IMO they discussed from a medical point of view, how dangerous it was to leave anyone on that ship any longer. I see it more of a medical opinion than an ego that allowed the passengers to continue on the flight home.

Tennessee doctor, wife see coronavirus turn their cruise vacation into a nightmare as wife tests positive

MOO
 
  • #799
For those coming in for the 10 am WHO presser, we are live, hasn't started. This is going to be an interesting day I think. I will post transcript about an hour afterwards.

ETA it has begun

Thanks for providing the link......I was having trouble finding it on the last one.
 
  • #800
And this people is why I said I would of chosen to stay in Japan than get on that flight.
 
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