Coronavirus - COVID-19 - Global Health Pandemic #28

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  • #321
I think this is just the tip of the iceberg with regard to "positives" not following precautions. For every one that makes it in the news, I suspect probably dozens to hundreds who are doing the same thing. IMO

JMO
I totally agree.

There is going to be a large chunk of people that even if they become ill, they will be too afraid of being labeled with the Virus and will avoid telling anyone. Also for people living in the US that dont have official citizenship, they may avoid hospitals if they can help it.

I think the only way cases like this will become known is when they are too sick to stay at home and will be forced to go to a hospital for life saving care. But the problem with that approach, is the 80% of those that become ill but not enough to be hospitalized will likely never be identified and will end up spreading it to many others.

I think we are seeing exactly what China went through and why China even went door to door to do forced temperature checks on residents. We saw reports of that happening in China.

Its been an eye opener to me that a lot of what we saw China do, at the time, we thought they were going too extreme in some of their actions, and now we are understanding why they felt they had to do it.
 
  • #322
CALIFORNIA

BREAKING: The California Legislature has suspended its session amid the COVID-19 outbreak in what is believed to be first such action in 158 years. California Legislature suspends until April 13 amid outbreak

And yet my local court system is only closed until 3-30-20. Idiots. And have not called me to continue tomorrow’s hearing. They can’t even get notice together.

Last Monday everything was totally normal at court. No one social distancing. People not covering their coughs. No hand sanitizer in sight. The clerk beaming as she’s handling everyone’s paper work.

I was huddling outside the line of people six feet from everyone, and was the last to check in so I wouldn’t have to stand close.

I called the clerk yesterday about that case and she sounded on the verge of tears.

I just don’t understand how at every level of government everyone has been so blaze and uneducated about this health crisis. Where were the local health departments all along? Why weren’t there calls weeks ago to prepare to shut it all down?
 
  • #323
Hospice and Palliative care

I just got off the phone with Hospice. If a patient has a living will, with DNR, and has COVID19, or even seems super sick, with the "flu", and is having problems breathing.

The hospice nurse I spoke with, told me, that an order for morphine can be done, a hospice nurse will come over to the home, the patient doesn't need to actually have a "diagnosis". If the patient has a DNR living will in place, and meets parameters for end of life care, they will administer the morphine at home.

The patient doesn't have to go to the hospital.
 
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"Respiratory diseases can spread efficiently in winter not necessarily because of the temperature but because human beings come together in closed environments & therefore transmission is more facilitated.
We've seen #COVID19 now in a number of different climates”-@DrMikeRyan t.co / TwitterRIOOJ9IYxt
 
  • #326
JMO
I totally agree.

There is going to be a large chunk of people that even if they become ill, they will be too afraid of being labeled with the Virus and will avoid telling anyone. Also for people living in the US that dont have official citizenship, they may avoid hospitals if they can help it.

I think the only way cases like this will become known is when they are too sick to stay at home and will be forced to go to a hospital for life saving care. But the problem with that approach, is the 80% of those that become ill but not enough to be hospitalized will likely never be identified and will end up spreading it to many others.

I think we are seeing exactly what China went through and why China even went door to door to do forced temperature checks on residents. We saw reports of that happening in China.

Its been an eye opener to me that a lot of what we saw China do, at the time, we thought they were going too extreme in some of their actions, and now we are understanding why they felt they had to do it.

It is. Some were suggesting similar measures in the US on here a couple weeks ago and I was saying I didn’t know if we needed all that. Like strict travel bans and closing everything down.

Fear and denial on my part, I guess. It’s powerful.
 
  • #327
Excellent post. I've had a good chat about it all with mine (age 10 and 12) today. I laid out the facts and my expectations and hope it'll be the last chat for a while as I want this to pass over their heads as much as possible. They are aware of what's going on but I don't want to make them anxious, and above all I don't want them to end up paranoid about human contact.

It makes me sad that one of the biggest social changes will be a natural mistrust of other humans. It's making everyone utterly paranoid about everything they touch, who they see, whether people look ill, where they go, what they do, germs.

I'm a hugger and so are my children, affectionate little souls. I hope that doesn't change.

My sons are grown; but your post reminded me of after 9/11, when they were the ages of your children. I didn't let them hear anything about it. I know that's different, but still...

Children only need limited info in this case. JMO
 
  • #328
This is exactly what I fear for the United States. I keep hearing people say, "Just order stuff from Amazon!" Amazon is not staffed by magical immune leprechauns. Real people work there, how many workers are they stuffing into these warehouses? I just saw an article saying Amazon is hiring workers to fulfill demands. This seems counter-productive. How many will get sick working for Amazon?

Amazon is hiring 100k new workers to meet demand - CNN Video

I don't have time to watch the video, but am assuming the hiring is still at low wage with poor benefits, if any. Why would someone work there and risk getting COVID 19, but have no health insurance coverage? They would end up homeless and bankrupt.
 
  • #329
CALIFORNIA

San Diego County starts coronavirus text system. Residents can text "COSD COVID19" to 468-311 for updates
10News on Twitter
 
  • #330
Coronavirus cases have dropped sharply in South Korea. What’s the secret to its success?

“Amid these dire trends, South Korea has emerged as a sign of hope and a model to emulate. The country of 50 million appears to have greatly slowed its epidemic; it reported only 74 new cases today, down from 909 at its peak on 29 February. And it has done so without locking down entire cities or taking some of the other authoritarian measures that helped China bring its epidemic under control. “South Korea is a democratic republic, we feel a lockdown is not a reasonable choice,” says Kim Woo-Joo, an infectious disease specialist at Korea University. South Korea’s success may hold lessons for other countries—and also a warning: Even after driving case numbers down, the country is braced for a resurgence.

Behind its success so far has been the most expansive and well-organized testing program in the world, combined with extensive efforts to isolate infected people and trace and quarantine their contacts. South Korea has tested more than 270,000 people, which amounts to more than 5200 tests per million inhabitants—more than any other country except tiny Bahrain, according to the Worldometer website. The United States has so far carried out 74 tests per 1 million inhabitants, data from the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention show.”

[...]

“Lessons from MERS
South Korea learned the importance of preparedness the hard way. In 2015, a South Korean businessman came down with Middle East respiratory syndrome (MERS) after returning from a visit to three Middle Eastern countries. He was treated at three South Korean health facilities before he was diagnosed with MERS and isolated. By then, he had set off a chain of transmission that infected 186 and killed 36, including many patients hospitalized for other ailments, visitors, and hospital staff. Tracing, testing, and quarantining nearly 17,000 people quashed the outbreak after 2 months. The specter of a runaway epidemic alarmed the nation and dented the economy.

“That experience showed that laboratory testing is essential to control an emerging infectious disease,” Kim says. In addition, Oh says, “The MERS experience certainly helped us to improve hospital infection prevention and control.” So far, there are no reports of infections of COVID-19 among South Korean health care workers, he says.”

-more at link
 
  • #331
I drove to pick my mother up today and bring her to my house to isolate. I noticed many gyms, stores and restaurants packed with people and full parking lots. (West Central Florida)
MOO:
These are the types of things that I believe warrant- no NECESSITATE - the Federal government making sweeping laws around social isolation. We are not restricting travel between states. Therefore we must have a consistent policy as “united states” or people will just end up spreading things through travel. And that says nothing of just giving equity of protection to all US citizens. Not all governors/state decision-makers are created equal.....

We are SO far past having each governor decide such basic principals with this pandemic. Some things MUST be federally mandated asap. Crowd sizes and gym closures need to be the start. “Suggestions” from the Feds are no longer enough.

Like I said, MOO. Some may feel otherwise and we can still be friends :)
 
  • #332
UK - 1950 Total Patients of which:

1814 Currently Infected
(1794 Mild Condition)
(20 Serious or Critical Condition)
65 Recovered
71 Deceased

EDIT: this doesn't seem right, we had 16 deaths today and assume a similar amount or more tomorrow. Hmm. Will keep an eye on it.

United Kingdom Coronavirus: 1,950 Cases and 71 Deaths - Worldometer
 
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May I also recommend nicotine patches and other things, nicotine gum, lozenges etc to have on hand for those who may freak the heck out in case they run out of cigarettes and might not be able to get any for whatever reason.
Great idea. Would be much better for their lungs too.
 
  • #335
And what is Amazon doing to protect their warehouse workers I wonder?
I have a family member that works for Amazon in a warehouse. I will just say I hope that this is being taken more seriously than it has been at this location.
 
  • #336
This guy and his brother need to go to jail for a few months if not at least a year:

Tennessee man who hoarded 17,700 bottles of hand sanitizer donates them

After my first day of working at home I stopped by Publix to grab some more fresh fruit for smoothies, and happened to walk down the paper goods aisle. TP location had signs everywhere:

"Due to the high demand for this product, We are limiting one per customer."

Yup the shelves were empty.

Has anyone checked Amazon for price gougers?
 
  • #337
KANSAS

Kansas Governor Laura Kelly has just announced that all K-12 schools in the state are closed through the end of the year. #CoronavirusPandemic #COVID19 #Kansas
Craig Nigrelli KAKE on Twitter
 
  • #338
Well our governor just held a press meeting. Authorizing all pre through 12 schools to remain closed for the remainder of the 2019/20 school year.

I get it I really do. I’m glad kids are safe. I’m not going to lie but I’m not ready for this. I need prepared for this stuff. Summer is hard for for my kiddo with nonverbal autism. Christmas is hard. Summer is really hard for her what’s this going to do idk , plus the 4 almost 5 yr also goes all day and he is driving me nuts about when is school starting. Don’t judge me people but I almost want to cry again I get it but I’m a little panicked to.

No judgement just plenty of hugs and positive thoughts being sent your way. I would call/email the school and ask what plans are being discussed to accommodate your daughter's needs.
 
  • #339
It is. Some were suggesting similar measures in the US on here a couple weeks ago and I was saying I didn’t know if we needed all that. Like strict travel bans and closing everything down.

Fear and denial on my part, I guess. It’s powerful.

Some of it is mental health/psych problems. Have seen it before. Some people, when faced with a serious health problem freeze up, like a "deer in the headlights". They go into denial and do all kinds of irrational things, usually isolating themselves from others and refusing help.
 
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