Coronavirus COVID-19 - Global Health Pandemic #41

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  • #661
I thought this was the Global Pandemic CV19 thread but my post about Germany has been moved to a Germany only thread. (That has two posts only in it) Are there separate threads for different countries? So can I still post UK info in here? What gives?
 
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Thank you Lilibet. I'm off to sleep (can't smoke when I'm sleeping) You have a good nights sleep :)
I'm a smoker, too - where I'm from they've prohibited the sale of both cigarettes and alcohol, classed as non essential items. We got less than 24 hours notice that cigarettes were to be added to non essential items and by the time I got to the shops they were sold out! Managed to get a few packets but am going to run out unless I drastically cut down!
 
  • #663
I'm a smoker, too - where I'm from they've prohibited the sale of both cigarettes and alcohol, classed as non essential items. We got less than 24 hours notice that cigarettes were to be added to non essential items and by the time I got to the shops they were sold out! Managed to get a few packets but am going to run out unless I drastically cut down!

That’s AWFUL!!!!!!! What about the alcoholics who’ll need emergency care when detoxing?!! And the people locked up with smokers who can’t get their cigarettes?! My children would probably run away from home if I suddenly had to quit smoking! I’m so sorry I really feel for you!
 
  • #664
I'm a smoker, too - where I'm from they've prohibited the sale of both cigarettes and alcohol, classed as non essential items. We got less than 24 hours notice that cigarettes were to be added to non essential items and by the time I got to the shops they were sold out! Managed to get a few packets but am going to run out unless I drastically cut down!

Fun fact: the nicotine receptors in our brain, that interact and tell us the experience of smoking is pleasurable, die out as we age.

This is the reason why some of you may know a senior citizen (in my case, it was my grandmother): who told you it was an easy process to quit smoking; that they "don't miss it"; and that they now hate smoking more than your standard lifelong smoker.

So, if you or the smoker in your life is a senior citizen, who has tried hard to quit the habit before and never had much success, it might be time to try again.

Because this time, you might simply be breaking the habit; and not the insidious bonds of nicotine, which is so addictive a drug partly because it adapts (smoke fast, nicotine revs you up; smoke slowly, it calms you down). :)
 
  • #665
That’s AWFUL!!!!!!! What about the alcoholics who’ll need emergency care when detoxing?!! And the people locked up with smokers who can’t get their cigarettes?! My children would probably run away from home if I suddenly had to quit smoking! I’m so sorry I really feel for you!
This is the worrying thing- mental health problems because of withdrawal symptoms leading to who knows what... I am going to start climbing walls soon!
 
  • #666
Fun fact: the nicotine receptors in our brain, that interact and tell us the experience of smoking is pleasurable, die out as we age.

This is the reason why some of you may know a senior citizen (in my case, it was my grandmother): who told you it was an easy process to quit smoking; that they "don't miss it"; and that they now hate smoking more than your standard lifelong smoker.

So, if you or the smoker in your life is a senior citizen, who has tried hard to quit the habit before and never had much success, it might be time to try again.

Because this time, you might simply be breaking the habit; and not the insidious bonds of nicotine, which is so addictive a drug partly because it adapts (smoke fast, nicotine revs you up; smoke slowly, it calms you down). :)
I am a senior citizen but the craving unfortunately has not diminished!
 
  • #667
This is the worrying thing- mental health problems because of withdrawal symptoms leading to who knows what... I am going to start climbing walls soon!

Can I mail you a couple packs?!
 
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That’s AWFUL!!!!!!! What about the alcoholics who’ll need emergency care when detoxing?!! And the people locked up with smokers who can’t get their cigarettes?! My children would probably run away from home if I suddenly had to quit smoking! I’m so sorry I really feel for you!
They recently closed our pubs and off licences but have since reopened the off licences so they must realise alcohol is essential. I used to be a smoker but gave up about 3 years ago with the use of patches and cartridge inhalers free on the NHS. It was effective although I only smoked about a half pack a day. We can still buy alcohol in the supermarkets and cigarettes I believe.
 
  • #670
Horrible at writing? You moved me so much with these words.... so much.
Thank you nhmemorymaker. After reading a dozen articles this morning, I hadn't teared up and was keeping it together. I just saw your post and the tears started flowing, but they were happy tears. :) Thank you for your kind words and making my morning a little brighter. :)
 
  • #671
The cytokine storm I posted about several threads ago. It was a major factor in the 1918 pandemic. IIRC, the 'Spanish Flu' was called that because US newspapers were not allowed to comment on the flu due to WWI. Unpatriotic. But they could report on flu in Spain, ie; Spanish Flu.

Into the Eye of the Cytokine Storm

I also read a few articles explaining this, the immune system, what happens when massive inflammation proteins are produced, are defective when fighting an infection, virus. Trying to comprehend this info. The Cytokine Storm

Our immune system fights off infections, cancer in our body, injuries. One of the mediators of inflammation in the body are proteins called cytokine. Cytokines are proteins that are produced by our cells, they interact with the cells of our immune system, are mediators of inflammation proteins. Inflammation is the body's way of dealing with infection and injury.

A life threatening infection can often result in a massive immune response.

"The immune system goes into overdrive, churning out inflammatory mediators called cytokines at a very high rate, that then trigger even more cytokine production. This spiral, called a cytokine storm, can directly damage organs and cause such severe whole body inflammation that vital organs like the lungs, heart, and kidneys begin to fail.”

Severe inflammation in the lungs causes the blood vessels in the lungs to become leaky, resulting in inflammatory cells, fluid, and chemicals to fill the air sacs of the lung, essentially drowning a patient from the inside out, Physicians dealing with COVID-19 pneumonia call it the worst viral pneumonia they have ever seen, resulting in the need for weeks of mechanical ventilation while the lungs try to recover.

I read an article with Dr. Randy Con M.D., Ph.D., who is an expert in a dangerous immune reaction to some infections, called cytokine storm syndrome.

“Cytokines are inflammatory immunologic proteins that are there to fight off infections and ward off cancers,” said Cron, a University of Alabana at Birminham professor of pediatrics and medicine. “But when they are out of control, they can make you very ill.”

A cytokine storm is the result of an immune system gone wild. The body’s own killer immune cells are often defective, resulting in increased production of inflammatory proteins that can lead to organ failure and death.


Dr. Cron explains how cytokine storm syndrome may be at work in the current COVID-19 pandemic and how it can be detected and possibly treated.

"From reading the literature primarily out of China, many of the severely ill coronavirus-infected patients appear to have clinical and laboratory features of a cytokine storm syndrome, or CSS, which is frequently fatal.

An elevated serum ferritin test — which is cheap, readily available and quick — is a good first step for screening for CSS. There are a variety of other tests that can then help confirm or deny the presence of a cytokine storm syndrome. "

COVID-19: Do not forget the host in treating this disease - News

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  • #672
But 9 days with no symptoms. I thought symptoms show after 7 days. I don't plan to shop again until 14 days but have my OH to think about.
Incubation period is up to 14 days, which means symptoms can show up on day 14.
Or earlier. It depends on individual person.
"These symptoms may appear 2-14 days after exposure (based on the incubation period of MERS-CoV viruses).

  • Fever
  • Cough
  • Shortness of breath"
Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) – Symptoms
 
  • #673
Incubation period is up to 14 days, which means symptoms can show up on day 14.
Or earlier. It depends on individual person.
"These symptoms may appear 2-14 days after exposure (based on the incubation period of MERS-CoV viruses).

  • Fever
  • Cough
  • Shortness of breath"
Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) – Symptoms


Coronavirus Incubation Period (COVID-19) - Worldometer
www.worldometers.info › coronavirus › coronavirus-incubation-period

Current estimated incubation period (how long it takes for symptoms to appear) for the ... However, a case with an incubation period of 27 days has been reported by Hubei ...
 
  • #674
Don’t y’all wonder how many cases China (& US) had prior to the first reported case in Chins? How many thousands assumed they had a cold? How many of those people traveled to the US?
No one will ever know.
 
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(Why we need to wear masks which most of us don't have)

Coronavirus could be airborne, study suggests
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Researchers, looking to better understand viral shedding and how it related to the novel virus, took air and surface samples from 11 patients’ rooms during the initial isolation of 13 people who tested positive for COVID-19. The researchers found virus genetic material on commonly used items such as toilets, but also in air samples, thus indicating that “SARS-CoV-2 is widely disseminated in the environment.” SARS-CoV-2 is the name of the virus that causes COVID-19.

Not only was the virus detected within COVID-19 patients’ rooms, “air samplers from hallways outside of rooms where [the] staff was moving in and out of doors were also positive,” they wrote.
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all of us who knew we should be wearing masks all along
 
  • #676
It's exceedingly hard to understand. I am betting there are probably only like 1000 people on the planet who vaguely understand it, and they are in different nations. Thankfully, they're not all old. But I'm into day 2 of trying to figure out which paragraphs I can understand from research articles on cytokine storms. All I know is it seems obviously that some (very few) people are prone to a cytokine storm from this virus. (They're the ones who are dying rapidly, IMO). Is there a genetic basis to this? No one knows. Is this virus doing something unique? Probably. Are there therapies that have worked in the past? I have no idea.

Into the Eye of the Cytokine Storm

That's the best article I can find and even though I can't understand it, the diagrams show (in red) where the virus interrupts your ordinary (very very complex) immune responses. I marvel that I'm alive at all after looking at it.

I am trying to understand this too. I also found this. There is a doctor who made a "Brita Filter for blood," to remove cytokines from the blood

In a number of critical cases of COVID-19, a hyper-vigilant immune response is triggered in patients that, if untreated, can itself prove fatal. Fortunately, some pharmaceutical treatments are available—although it’s not yet fully understood how well they might work in addressing the new coronavirus.

A new blood filtration technology has successfully treated other, similar hyper-vigilant immune syndromes for people who underwent heart surgeries and the critically ill. Which could make it a possibly effective therapy (albeit still not FDA-approved) for some severe COVID-19 cases.

Inflammation, says Phillip Chan—an M.D./PhD and CEO of the New Jersey-based company CytoSorbents—is the body's way of dealing with infection and injury. It’s why burns and sprained ankles turn red and swell up. “That’s the body’s way of bringing oxygen and nutrients to heal,” he said.

Inflammation across most or all of the body, so-called systemic inflammation, can be productive in fighting off a flu, for instance. Or, potentially, in combating the new coronavirus. (COVID-19 is the name of the disease caused by that virus.)

According to Chan, CytoSorb is approved in the European Union as a cytokine filter. He says it’s been used to date in some 80,000 treatments across 58 countries “to treat life-threatening complications such as sepsis, lung failure, and potentially fatal low blood pressure, often called shock.” (He points out many patients with severe COVID-19 have been dying from some of the same causes.)

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A friend that owns a unique store brought me a huge box of new, very large bandanas! Guess what? They are the confederate flag design. I’m sure if I did wear one I’d die from a manner unrelated to Covid. What a shame 288 pristine, individually wrapped bandanas.
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all of us who knew we should be wearing masks all along
 
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  • #678
I thought this was the Global Pandemic CV19 thread but my post about Germany has been moved to a Germany only thread. (That has two posts only in it) Are there separate threads for different countries? So can I still post UK info in here? What gives?

I've had mine moved to the NY.

@Tricia Would you provide guidance in the changes in the Covid thread?

Post are being moved to other locations. I was under the impression, separate threads were set up for those wanting to post local information. I may have misunderstood.

I've enjoyed and feel informed from the national and international information on this thread. This information show patterns, developing trends and most importantly a way to connect/support/and keep in touch with our WS family and friends.

Respectfully looking for guidance....
 
  • #679
This is a good piece on COVID-19, Twitter, the (lack of) Chinese transparency about the pandemic, wearing masks, and the World Health Organization. The writer is not a health journalist, but he is a respected tech journalist. He has citations and links in his reporting.

Unmasking Twitter
 
  • #680
That’s AWFUL!!!!!!! What about the alcoholics who’ll need emergency care when detoxing?!! And the people locked up with smokers who can’t get their cigarettes?! My children would probably run away from home if I suddenly had to quit smoking! I’m so sorry I really feel for you!
I haven't heard of any states prohibiting the sale of cigarettes. In NY they are considering banning combustible tobacco, but as far as I know stores are still selling cigarettes.

Imo
 
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