Coronavirus COVID-19 - Global Health Pandemic #45

[JustEve]

Thank you!
She's a bada$$ - she turned 99 in January and basically gave the Coronavirus the bird.

Granny rocks! As well as your genetics!

My Granny lived until 102, I remembered her when I read your post.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

This is weird to me because people should be eating the same amount

I saw on Fox this morning that pork prices for farmers have plummeted especially bacon products.

They said 65% of bacon used in the US is bought by restaurants including fast food businesses.

Jmho

 

[tresir2012]

How is it fear mongering to report the fact that the meat plants are shutting down? Yes it's only for 3 days right now but that will lead to even greater meat shortages. Smithfield produces 18 million servings of meat per day-- that means 54 million servings of meat that will not be produced while it is shut down. That's millions of homes, schools, restaurants that are not going to be able to purchase meat. I don't know about where you live, but I have already seen meat shortages. My stores had no meat for 2 weeks and when they had meat again last week they were only allowing 2 packages per household per type of meat (2 chicken, 2 pork, 2 beef, etc). I expect when I go back to the store again (which I can't afford to do for another week) the limit will have been lowered to 1 package per household, if I can get any meat at all. I don't ever buy Smithfield. I prefer pastured pork only and eat very few pork products period, but this shutdown will greatly affect me and everyone else too. Because many millions of people who buy Smithfield will get another brand when Smithfield pork is not there. If there is no pork they will buy a different meat. Then if there is no meat at all they will turn to buying beans and other food items such as grains so that the vegetarians will also not have the food they need available. There was already a brief shortage on beans in my area as well (we ate more beans and rice for 2 weeks because we couldn't get meat, so I know from experience and I'm sure this is what everyone else did who couldn't buy meat). Fortunately, some beans came back in stock after the first round of panic buying and after the store started limiting meat purchases. But companies that process beans and vegetables and all other kinds of food could face the same kind of shut downs as Smithfield. Then what?

If the CDC had not changed it's guidelines I fully believe Smithfield could have been shut down for 14 days to quarantine all who had contact with the employees who have coronavirus. I hope they can get all their employees tested and put only those who test negative back to work right away. But this is a disaster in the making to put people who are exposed back to work after only a few days. Let's say majority exposed have no symptoms and go back to work 4 days later when the plant reopens. Ok good, they might keep the plant open for a couple more days until more people get sick from the previous exposure. Incubation is up to 14 days. Then what? do they shut for another 3 or 4 days? Or do they stay open now and only tell the symptomatic people to go home? The cycle of infection from pre-symptomatic people will continue until everyone in the company has it with these guidelines. But there is no winning solution here. More essential employees are going to get coronavirus and more are going to die because of these new guidelines from the CDC. But Americans will eventually die from starvation as well without a steady supply of food in the markets. This is tragic, but I see no way around it. They can't shut down the food and medical based companies long enough to fully stamp out the virus without major disruption of the food supply. But if too many essential employees get sick at once we are also in big trouble.

Call my way of thinking scare mongering if you want. I think I'm seeing reality pretty clearly and I see no good solution to this problem in the short term. There is not enough PPE to protect everyone who has to work in the essential businesses. A vaccine is many months to possibly a year away. I'm going to go plant potatoes for the first time ever and pray that they work. I wish I had the land to plant fields of corn and rice and I wish I had the money to start keeping chickens, goats and rabbits. But we will hunt for our meat this year if we have to, we will grow everything we can afford to grow and we will survive.

Big MOO (no pun intended).

I remember not so long ago there was a really bad year for potatoes - Can't remember why that was, but we and a neighbour planted potatoes as we had big gardens. Watered them all summer then dug them up in Sept. They were cr@p. Small and full of worms. Never again. We switched to pasta, rice, couscous, dumplings and bread all that winter, until the new season potatoes came out the following year. Never ever did that again. If shops don't have what I need I will use farmers markets or veg boxes or go without and use an alternative. When I was a kid bananas were a rarity and a luxury as were oranges (only for Christmas). Roasts were Sundays only leftovers Monday, with liver and onions, shepherds pie, sausage and mash etc thru the week or school dinners. Make do and mend my motto even now. If I can do a meal for less than a £1, which invariably I do, then that is a result. Old habits die hard.

I'm not even defensive but to give some insight for caring for elderly parents. My mom is in her 90s. She ran my brother and late sister off decades ago. We're all adopted. In the last year I've been referred to "like a stray dog that got rescued from a shelter". This is nothing new.

That said, I make sure my mom has the optimal living conditions for her current health, and have a weekly girl's day out. Lunch and shopping.

I cannot live with her.

Shes also happily texting me from the ER. She was really sick and I had to call for an ambulance this morning. Of course, I can't go to the hospital. She's super sweet to everyone else, so I'm not concerned about the level of care she's getting.

Back to COVID.

She sounds like a trooper and will be telling the nurses what to do. Best wishes for her recovery and you take care too.

 

[gregjrichards]

I've also read 20% can have intestinal problems with nausea, and throwing up along with diarrhea.

I hadn't been in the hospital since 1987 when I had a hysterectomy.

I dont even have colds or the flu even though my hubby does, and when I'm his caregiver I still didnt catch the flu or colds. I dont get viruses either.

However in February 29, 2020 I woke up at 2am feeling very nauseated. Then began the worst experience I've ever had. I didn't have diarrhea, but the throwing up continued all that Saturday only getting worse. My hubby was begging me to go to the hospital, but I told him I had probably just picked up a virus, and it would go away. It didn't. At 3:00am Sunday morning he gave me no choice. They immediately admitted me. I couldnt eat, or drink anything. I guess I had thrown up so much it made the top part of my stomach raw, and inflamed. It literally felt like someone was ripping me open in the area in the middle right below my breasts. That pain continued for 6 days so I had nothing to drink or eat simply because it was too painful when it hit that specific area.

I have a high toleration pain level. I know this having to live with constant spinal pain.

But at one point I told my hubby I just wanted to die because I couldnt tolerate the pain anymore. To say the least that caused many tears to be shed by him, and our children too, but at the time, I meant it.

They gave me all sorts of meds in my IV ports. I had three ports at one time being used. One was potassium because it was critically low when admitted from all of the vomiting. I continued to have it thru that Friday until the doctor changed it to powdered potassium mixed with apple juice which I was finally able to swallow although still extremely painful.

On that Thursday I received three more flower arrangements. Then all of a sudden I began to sneeze, cough uncontrollably, gag, and it was hard to breathe. I don't have allergies, but to be safe my hubby took all flowersout of my room, and brought them home. It wasnt the flowers for it continued, and even when I came home it continued for over 2 weeks.

Then on Friday the night nurse insisted I take more liquid potassium even though I told her it had been changed to powder. It burned when taking it thru the IV.
I told her three times i wanted it by mouth. She ignored me so the port blewout. So I wound up with my hand swelling 10 times it's normal size. I thought my skin was literally going to explode before she came to take the port out. It was hurting so badly I thought I was going to pass out. Even now over a month later it's still swollen, and a knot is still on the top of my hand.

I had many tests ran during my stay. One was an endoscopy which I wound up going into Afib once the given propofol, and lidocaine. I was then rushed to the cardiologist floor resulting in several heart tests being run after then. All of those came out great.

I had never had any heart problems before in my entire life. In fact all of my vitals were perfect. The nurses even commented on how my vitals would usually be seen in someone who is in their 20s. Other tests I was to have done were also aborted three times due to the ineptness of the hospital staff.

Finally I had had enough of the unnecessary emotional, and physical trauma, and my family members were also beyond being enraged.

So we all demanded I be released so I could get out of that hell hole, and go home.

I still dont know what in the heck happened to me though on February 29th, but I never ever want to go thru it again.

This is the same hospital that virus patients must go to for care. Our area is the hotspot for my state. I'm saddened anyone has to depend on this hospital, nurses, and doctors. While there are still good nurses, and doctors there, many are not.

This is why it has a notoriously bad reputation way before this deadly virus struck our area.

God help all who wind up there for care.

Jmho

I hope you are feeling much better @oceanblueeyes I’m really sorry you received terrible care in that hospital, I know what it is like to be in one like that. Best wishes to you.

 

[tresir2012]

Also in the article-

• The IMF is warning that we could be heading towards a major recession. Today, IMF chief Kristalina Georgieva warned that coronavirus is causing an economic crisis unlike any in the past century. “We anticipate the worst economic fallout since the Great Depression,” she said.

After 3 years of being told to expect a Brexit recession, now we have it due to coronavirus. I think when the lockdown is lifted, there will be spending like there is no tomorrow. How many people will decide now is the time to get an electric car after seeing how things improve when there are no traffic fumes?
MOO.

 

[pocketaccent]

People are luring Instacart shoppers with big tips -- and then changing them to zero - CNN
New York (CNN Business)In late March, Instacart worker Annaliisa Arambula accepted a grocery order that came with a big tip: $55. The store was just down the street, everything the customer wanted was available, and the order seemed to go off without a hitch.

But an hour later, Arambula checked her earnings on the Instacart app and the entire tip was gone, with a message saying the "customer modified the tip post-delivery." She ended up making just $8.95 from Instacart on the order.
...
Demand for grocery delivery is surging amid the Covid-19 pandemic, and many customers are struggling to get the items they want or even a time slot for a delivery. Some people are dealing with that by offering big tips, as high as $50 or more, to entice Instacart workers to pick up their orders. But some of those people have turned the tactic into a bait-and-switch, offering up the big tip and then taking it away as soon as the person who risked their health to get them their groceries has made the delivery.
...

 

[ilovewings]

Sorry you had to go through all that but glad you are better now.

We had a very similar bad experience in a hospital about a year ago. We were fixing to walk out on our own because they were pumping so many medicines into my wife she began having all kinds of bad reactions to them. The reactions were much worse than the reason she was in there in the first place.

It was incredible. Every 30 minutes or so someone would come in and give her something for this or for that. Blood pressure low, gave her blood pressure medicine. Blood sugar not right, something for that. And that wasnt the problem we originally went in for. After she had a terrible full body rash from one of the medicines, and after days of this sort of thing, we were ready to walk out and they agreed that she could finish recovery at home.

I have to suspect that some hosptials dont realize us frail humans cannot take everything they are feeding into our veins all at once. Some people can but some definitely cannot handle it.

And I have to wonder how many Coronavirus patients have died because they were too old to handle all the medicine that was being fed to them. Maybe if some of it was given with less volume or slower dosages then many of those would have survived.

We know they try their best but I seriously think a lot of the hospitals do not realize that some of us just cannot handle a ton of different medicines being poured into our bodies all at once. I know one person that cant handle it for sure.

I think you hit on something: i have a lot of allergies and i don' react well do meds. i would definitely be afraid of all those meds going thru an IV into my body and I have no doubt some of the people being treated probably could not handle all those IV meds. So many elderly people are on several meds and there is no doubt in my mind that some of these meds cause more problems than they help.

 

[ReadySet]

Genuinely puzzled here, how is this fear mongering? The article just states the truth.

just temporarily closing. I do not believe the food chain will shut down. It didn’t happen in China or Italy, no evidence that it will happen here. The media loves to fear monger.

 

[TMAN2014]

That's millions of homes, schools, restaurants that are not going to be able to purchase meat. ). .

But are not many of those delivery points closed any way? Schools are closed in just about all the Mid Atlantic states. I actually watched news stories of food thrown away, because there is no where to deliver the food.

 

[Hatfield]

A long article, but gives interesting history and analysis of shifts in what is normative for family in the U.S. and elsewhere, looks at nuclear family and cultures that still have multigenerational family norm, etc. Note that the title of the article is somewhat misleading, it is a more nuanced history than the title suggests, and in no way is it saying that individuals are responsible for the problems, it is a cultural shift based on a lot of factors, including economic and political issues.

The Nuclear Family Was a Mistake

Thanks for sharing. It is an excellent and sort of sad overview of how we got to this point in our US culture.

And you are so correct that its really not any particular individuals fault. The entire culture of our society makes many people follow and do the same as others.

I personally think I would love some of the older ways of doing things but it was never really an option for me because my entire family was engrained in this current cultural environment. I am sure many were and are in the same boat.

Maybe something like this virus catastrophe may be the beginning of things slowly changing for the better for the family dynamics and family structure.

The Nuclear Family Was a Mistake

 

[tresir2012]

I've also read 20% can have intestinal problems with nausea, and throwing up along with diarrhea.

I hadn't been in the hospital since 1987 when I had a hysterectomy.

I dont even have colds or the flu even though my hubby does, and when I'm his caregiver I still didnt catch the flu or colds. I dont get viruses either.

However in February 29, 2020 I woke up at 2am feeling very nauseated. Then began the worst experience I've ever had. I didn't have diarrhea, but the throwing up continued all that Saturday only getting worse. My hubby was begging me to go to the hospital, but I told him I had probably just picked up a virus, and it would go away. It didn't. At 3:00am Sunday morning he gave me no choice. They immediately admitted me. I couldnt eat, or drink anything. I guess I had thrown up so much it made the top part of my stomach raw, and inflamed. It literally felt like someone was ripping me open in the area in the middle right below my breasts. That pain continued for 6 days so I had nothing to drink or eat simply because it was too painful when it hit that specific area.

I have a high toleration pain level. I know this having to live with constant spinal pain.

But at one point I told my hubby I just wanted to die because I couldnt tolerate the pain anymore. To say the least that caused many tears to be shed by him, and our children too, but at the time, I meant it.

They gave me all sorts of meds in my IV ports. I had three ports at one time being used. One was potassium because it was critically low when admitted from all of the vomiting. I continued to have it thru that Friday until the doctor changed it to powdered potassium mixed with apple juice which I was finally able to swallow although still extremely painful.

On that Thursday I received three more flower arrangements. Then all of a sudden I began to sneeze, cough uncontrollably, gag, and it was hard to breathe. I don't have allergies, but to be safe my hubby took all flowersout of my room, and brought them home. It wasnt the flowers for it continued, and even when I came home it continued for over 2 weeks.

Then on Friday the night nurse insisted I take more liquid potassium even though I told her it had been changed to powder. It burned when taking it thru the IV.
I told her three times i wanted it by mouth. She ignored me so the port blewout. So I wound up with my hand swelling 10 times it's normal size. I thought my skin was literally going to explode before she came to take the port out. It was hurting so badly I thought I was going to pass out. Even now over a month later it's still swollen, and a knot is still on the top of my hand.

I had many tests ran during my stay. One was an endoscopy which I wound up going into Afib once the given propofol, and lidocaine. I was then rushed to the cardiologist floor resulting in several heart tests being run after then. All of those came out great.

I had never had any heart problems before in my entire life. In fact all of my vitals were perfect. The nurses even commented on how my vitals would usually be seen in someone who is in their 20s. Other tests I was to have done were also aborted three times due to the ineptness of the hospital staff.

Finally I had had enough of the unnecessary emotional, and physical trauma, and my family members were also beyond being enraged.

So we all demanded I be released so I could get out of that hell hole, and go home.

I still dont know what in the heck happened to me though on February 29th, but I never ever want to go thru it again.

This is the same hospital that virus patients must go to for care. Our area is the hotspot for my state. I'm saddened anyone has to depend on this hospital, nurses, and doctors. While there are still good nurses, and doctors there, many are not.

This is why it has a notoriously bad reputation way before this deadly virus struck our area.

God help all who wind up there for care.

Jmho

What did the doctors say was wrong with you? It sounds dreadful. How long were you in hospital altogether and did they test you for CV19? Hope you are fully recovered.

 

[tresir2012]

For those of you who like graphs:

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This is me all the time.

 

[Trino]

Just aghast...
"True Christians do not mind dying."
Really? And how do their families feel about this? How does a child feel about a deceased parent?
Louisiana Pastor: 'True Christians Do Not Mind Dying' Of Coronavirus If Infected At Church | HuffPost

 

[TMAN2014]

Farmers Dump Milk, Break Eggs as Coronavirus Restaurant Closings Destroy Demand

Farmers Dump Milk, Break Eggs as Coronavirus Restaurant Closings Destroy Demand
Producers are throttling back as the virus erases sales to restaurants, hotels and cafeterias; ‘It was heart-wrenching’
"
was still dark outside at four o’clock on a recent morning when a tanker truck poured 6,000 gallons of milk into a manure pit on Nancy Mueller’s Wisconsin dairy farm.

The milk, collected from Mueller Dairy Farm’s 1,000 cows, should have been hauled to dairy processors across the state for bottling or to be turned into cheese. But the coronavirus pandemic is disrupting all that, closing restaurants and schools that buy the nation’s dairy products—and forcing hard choices for farmers like Mrs. Mueller."

might have to be a subscribe to read.

 

[imstilla.grandma]

My son and daughter moved back into our home after my husband and I both developed serious health issues. Neither one of us are able to drive. My husband can barely walk anymore. We were having financial problems especially before he was able to draw social security. I’m not able to be left alone for very long due to my seizure disorder. They moved back in, paid our past mortgage payments, caught us up on all our bills and built in safety measures in our home. Both my granddaughters lived with us until the oldest went to work and moved out on her own at 18. She is a manager of an OnCue where she still takes gas payments thru the drive thru window every single day. I’m scared to death she is going to catch it. My 13 year old granddaughter lives with us. We love our life. I guarantee my granddaughters have benefited from living in a multi generational home. Both are super responsible and mature. We’ve taught them so much history they will never learn in school. We are teaching them about life, love and laughter. It’s plentiful here. We all learn from each other. We are family. I pray my husband and I don’t become burdens on my lovely children some day. If and when that time comes, I will go to a nursing home with skilled care. I’ll be fine. I can do that and survive. Maybe even thrive. Who knows? My husband can’t though. He wouldn’t survive. I don’t know what will happen. Only that I will be by husband’s side till the day he dies. I feel so bad for the nursing home residents who don’t have special people in their lives. I don’t know what else to say. The articles that I’ve seen break my heart. Loneliness...

 

[otto]

Farmers Dump Milk, Break Eggs as Coronavirus Restaurant Closings Destroy Demand

Farmers Dump Milk, Break Eggs as Coronavirus Restaurant Closings Destroy Demand
Producers are throttling back as the virus erases sales to restaurants, hotels and cafeterias; ‘It was heart-wrenching’
"
was still dark outside at four o’clock on a recent morning when a tanker truck poured 6,000 gallons of milk into a manure pit on Nancy Mueller’s Wisconsin dairy farm.

The milk, collected from Mueller Dairy Farm’s 1,000 cows, should have been hauled to dairy processors across the state for bottling or to be turned into cheese. But the coronavirus pandemic is disrupting all that, closing restaurants and schools that buy the nation’s dairy products—and forcing hard choices for farmers like Mrs. Mueller."

might have to be a subscribe to read.

Seems unusual that less milk is consumed when people eat at home rather than at school or restaurants.

 

[Anicole]

Seems unusual that less milk is consumed when people eat at home rather than at school or restaurants.

Think about how many schools are no longer ordering milk for the kids, or bakeries for their products, restaurants for recipes, etc.

It's a lot. I hate that it's being wasted. And the eggs, too. They're scarce in my area, and I'd imagine that coloring eggs is going to look different this year with a shortage.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I hope you are feeling much better @oceanblueeyes I’m really sorry you received terrible care in that hospital, I know what it is like to be in one like that. Best wishes to you.

Thank you so much Greg for your thoughtfulness. Yes, sadly I'm sure you do know how awful a bad hospital stay can be.

Even after this long I'm still struggling to regain my strength.

Little did I know at the time, but February 29th was the first recorded case at this hospital. I had no clue all the time I was there more, and more CV cases were there.

I'd still like to know if I perhaps had CV19 myself. Whatever I had was far different than anything I've experienced.

I guess that wasnt it though because everyday my hubby was there along with our children, and my brother. Each one hugged, kissed me when they came in, and when they left, and none of them had symptoms. I pray it stays that way.

Sigh. Our son just called this morning to let us know our 25 year old grandson (his son) was tested for the virus Wednesday due to coming into contact with a coworker that has it. He should get the results tomorrow. It's so worrisome, and our son was just over at his son, and daughter in law's home yesterday so he is self isolating until he knows the results of the test.

One of our friends took her mother to the hospital Monday, and her mom passed away from the virus the very next day. Of course they wouldnt allow her daughter to come in to be with her so its broken her heart that her mother died alone except for the hospital workers.

Already we know many who have contracted it with several passing away from it. In several of the cases one family member started off having it then the family members who were trying to care for the infected also got it too.

The morgue here is beyond capacity, and the funeral homes are overwhelmed.

In fact the coroner said the first two cases in our area were those who attended two different funerals at two different churches.
One was 34, and the other one in their early 40s with no underlying conditions. One had come down from Atlanta to Albany which is 175 miles apart.

So it shows what an unrelenting monster this virus truly is.

I'm older so I have seen our country go thru many extremely tough times, but never have I seen it like this. It truly is the worst enemy we have had to deal with now.

Jmho

 

[24Roses]

More Iowa news today: UPDATE: Iowa beginning to see COVID-19 curve flatten
Iowa hospitals ordered to give daily COVID-19 data to state
IWD asks for patience as it handles flood of COVID-19 unemployment claims
ETA-Governor wants focus on individual, not state, response

 

[tresir2012]

You are not overreacting. My husband had a hard time in the beginning. I used to have a food handlers permit. I have always treated my kitchen and the rest of the house according to health codes. On top of that I am a germaphobe. I had to explain to him what transference meant. And I sent him article after article. He also got in trouble for getting too close to people. I finally asked if he was trying to kill me. At last, I got through to him. I almost had to tell him he was going to have to go live in his man shed.

Good luck to you.

I have just had a similar kitchen convo with my hubby. The transference thing they just don't get it do they?